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Topic: 1970Posted By: Rick1
Subject: 1970
Date Posted: April 24 2020 at 02:14
I was 8 at the time, but looking back prog really got into it's stride: ELP's debut, Soft Machine's 'Third', Egg's debut, Genesis 'Trespass'...the list goes on. Experimentation was the key as exemplified by Zappa 'Burnt Weeny' etc. Some might say that the classic prog period was in its infancy and that was to come over the next few years...
Replies: Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: April 24 2020 at 02:22
I consider 1971 to be THE year, but 1970 certainly was a good year
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: April 24 2020 at 02:28
1970 was a good year, but prog was still in its adolescence. The greatest years were 1971, 1972, 1973 and 1975.
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: April 24 2020 at 03:55
let's name a few albums for 1970 (not just prog; I am not a prog snob at all):
Amon Düül 2 - Yeti
Atomic Rooster - Atomic Rooster
Atomic Rooster - Death Walks Behind You
Birth Control - Birth Control
Black Sabbath - Black Sabbath
Black Widow - Sacrifice
Can - Soundtracks
Curved Air - Air Conditioning
Deep Purple - Deep Purple in Rock
Doors, The - Morrison Hotel
Embryo - Opal
Emerson, Lake and Palmer - Emerson, Lake and Palmer
Fleetwood Mac - Kiln House
Frumpy - All Will Be Changed
Genesis - Trespass
Gentle Giant - Gentle Giant
Gong - Magick Brother
Grateful Dead - American Beauty
Guru Guru - UFO
Hawkwind - Hawkwind
King Crimson - Lizard
High Tide - High Tide
Iron Butterfly - Metamorphosis
Jethro Tull - Benefit
King Crimson - In the Wake of Poseidon
King Crimson - Lizard
Led Zeppelin - III
Lindisfarne - Nicely out of Tune
Lucifer's Friend - Lucifer's Friend
Magma - Magma
Mothers of Invention, The - Weasels Ripped My Flesh
Nice, The - Five Bridges
Omega - Éjszakai Országút
Pink Floyd - Atom Heart Mother
Popol Vuh - Affenstunde
Quicksilver Messenger Service - Just for Love
Quicksilver Messenger Service - What About Me
Quintessence - Quintessence
Rufus Zuphall - Weiß der Teufel
Santana - Abraxas
Tangerine Dream - Electronic Meditation
Titanic - Titanic
UFO - UFO 1
Uiah Heep - Very 'eavy, very 'umble
Van der Graaf Generator - The Least We Can Do Is Wave to Each Other
Van der Graaf Generator - H to He, Who Am the Only One
Wishbone Ash - Wishbone Ash
Yes - Time and a Word
Zappa, Frank - Chunga's Revenge
I probably forgot a lot
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Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: April 24 2020 at 04:17
An amazing year for progressive rock indeed. Lots of solid starts that would bloom to be classic, quintessential recordings of that era. Yes, Genesis, Gentle Giant, VDGG, ELP, PF, etc...
...So much happened in such a short window of time (1969-1976ish)!
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"I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: April 24 2020 at 04:26
I was 7 at the time and only knew of Tull (Bourée & Cuckoo), thanks to daddy (the person, not the band that would become Supertramp), so I cannot comment first hand, so I will do retrospectivally (which most of us will anyways)
Soooo here is my Gnosis top, knowing that 14/15 is the best note that an album can have in my eyes, 13 is stil; a five star and 12 a four stars plus
11 (not all of them listed, just the ones i deem relevant, though there are more interesting ones) are 4 stars.
All of them are alphabetically ordered past the Gnosis grade I gave them.
14SpiritThe Twelve Dreams of Dr. Sardonicus
13 Black SabbathParanoid
13 Buckley, TimStarsailor
13 John Cale & Terry Riley - Church
of Anthrax
13 CaravanIf I Could Do It All Over
13 Coltrane, Alice- Ptah, the El Daoud
13 Davis, MilesBitches Brew
13 King
CrimsonLizard
13 NucleusElastic Rock
13 Savoy BrownRaw Sienna
13 Tyner,
McCoyAsante
12 Amon Düül
IIYeti
12 AudienceFriend's Friend's Friend
12 Black SabbathBlack Sabbath
12 Deep PurpleIn Rock
12 Garrick, MichaelThe Heart Is A Lotus
12 Genesis Trespass
12 Henry Lowther BandChild Song
12 Magma - Kobaia
12 McLaughlin, JohnDevotion
12 Murphy BlendFirst Loss
12 Out of FocusWake Up
12 Pearls Before SwineThe Use of Ashes
12 Pink FloydAtom Heart Mother
12 SantanaAbraxas
12 Savoy BrownLooking In
12 SupertrampSupertramp
12 Sweet SmokeJust a Poke
12 Tangerine DreamElectronic Meditation
12 Ten Years AfterCricklewood Green
12 TrafficJohn Barleycorn Must Die
12 TreesOn
the Shore
12 TreesThe
Garden of Jane Delawney
12 Tyner, McCoyExtensions
12 Van der Graaf Generator - The Least We
Can Do Is Wave to Each Other
12 Soft Machine – Third
11 AcheDe
Homine Urbano
11 Annexus QuamOsmose
11 Atomic Rooster s/t
11 Atomic RoosterDeath Walks Behind You
11 Brian Auger's Oblivion Express
11 Auger & The TrinityBefour
11 Ayers, KevinShooting at the Moon
11 Byrd, DonaldElectric Byrd
11 Demon FuzzAfreaka!
11 Emerson, Lake and Palmer – s/t
11 FunkadelicFunkadelic USA
11 Golden EarringGolden Earring (AKA 8 MH)
11 Guru GuruUFO
11 Hendrix, JimiThe Rainbow Bridge Concert
11 Kantner & Grace SlickBlows Against The Empire
11 King CrimsonIn the Wake of Poseidon
11 Led ZeppelinIII
11 McDonald and GilesMcDonald and Giles
11 PentangleCruel Sister
11 Quicksilver Messenger ServiceJust for Love
11 Quicksilver Messenger ServiceWhat About Me
11 StrawbsJust a Collection of Antiques and Curios
11 SupersisterPresent From Nancy
11 Tippett Band -You Are Here, I Am There
11 Van der Graaf GeneratorH to HE Who Am the Only One
TBH, I can't think of more than one or two years that would top this sheer abundance
Hi Svettie !!
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: April 24 2020 at 05:48
Karlo wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
11 FunkadelicFunkadelic USA
You must be joking!
I don't think he is.
I rarely listen to this band, but what they were doing back then was quite unique if you ask me.
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: April 24 2020 at 06:16
Cristi wrote:
Karlo wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
11 FunkadelicFunkadelic USA
You must be joking!
I don't think he is.
I rarely listen to this band, but what they were doing back then was quite unique if you ask me.
I prefer their debut to their legendary Maggot Brains and Free Your Ass and Your Mind Will Follow.
Some of that killer funk was quite progressive.
War, Mandrill, Cymande and Osibisa did some really cool stuff too.
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: April 24 2020 at 08:52
EDIT: a problem with deleting a user including their posts is that then other posts will be seen out of context. The following paragraph was referring to a removed user. I should have quoted just in case he got deleted. Basically he was saying that Funkadelic is disco and disco is a lame joke.
That [as said to the deleted user] comes across as very narrow-minded to me, and frankly, as a juvenile response. I love plenty of Funkadelic, and the debut from 1970 also is my favourite. It's funk rock with psychedelic qualities. I wouldn't call it disco (and I like plenty of disco and discoesque music). Out of curiosity, have you actually listened to the album? I like the related Parliament's Osmium from the same year also. To each his or her own tastes
Anyway, there is so much amazing music from 1970. Some of my faves are:
Magma - Kobaia Soft Machine - Third Igor Wakhévitch - Logos Amon Duul II - Yeti Supersister - Present From Nancy Can - Soundtracks Pink Floyd - Atom Heart Mother Linda Perhacs - Parallelograms Egg - Egg Association P.C. - Earwax Staff Carpenborg and the Electric Corona - Fantastic Party Van der Graaf Generator - The Least... and H to He... Atomic Rooster - Death Walks Behind You Pearls Before Swine - The Use of Ashes Demon Fuzz - Afreaka! Bo Hansson - Sagan om Ringen Dvid Bowie - The Man Who Sold the World David Axelrod - Earth Rot Tim Buckley - Starsailor and Lorca King Crimson - Lizard and In the Wake Trees - The Garden of Jane Delawney Jason Havelock - Pop Symphony Embryo - Opal Tangerine Dream - Electronic Meditation Nucleus - Elastic Rock Gentle Giant - Gentle Giant Miles Davis - Bitches Brew Kevin Ayers & The Whole World - Shooting at the Moon Robert Wyatt - The End of an Ear The Pentangle - Cruel Sister Forest - Full Circle C.O.B - Spirit of Love Tudor Lodge - Tudor Lodge Black Widow - Sacrifice Jan Dukes de Grey - Sorcerers Lucifer's Friend - self-titled Bruce Haack - The Electric Lucifer High Tide - High Tide Santana - Abraxas Caravan - If I Could Do It All Over Again, I'd Do It All Over You Vashti Bunyan - Just Another Diamond Day Jethro Tull - Benefit Quatermass - Quatermass Mickey Curtis and Samurai - Samurai Supertramp - Supertramp etc.
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: April 24 2020 at 09:10
Some good lists above but I think most of us, that are old enough, weren't listening to many of those since they were more obscure in many cases.
I turned 19 that year and started second year of college in fall of 1970...the big ones for me were ELP, Santana- Abraxas, Wake of Poseidon, Genesis -Trespass, Chicago 2, Atom heart Mother, Tull- Benefit, Traffic- Barleycorn, Moody Blues, Uriah heep, Procol Harum, ....... sadly a lot of the others were not on my radar at that time when I was 19 in southern Indiana.
Sorry...In forgot about Sabbath and Zep....two big ones back then..
------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin
Posted By: geekfreak
Date Posted: April 24 2020 at 09:33
I was 9 yrs old
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Music Is Live
Two people are better off than one, for they can help each other succeed.
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: April 24 2020 at 09:44
Karlo wrote:
someone_else wrote:
1970 was a good year, but prog was still in its adolescence.
I disagree. I think that 1968 and 1969 were the years of "prog adolescence". I mean, the albums like Jethro Tull's "Stand Up", The Nice's "Ars Longa Vita Brevis", Family's "Music in a Doll's House", The Pentangle's "Basket of Light", King Crimson's "In the Court of the Crimson King" etc. maybe can be called "prog adolescence" but with albums like ELP debut, Soft Machine's Third, Genesis' Trespass, Egg s/t debut, Van der Graaf Generator's "H to He, ....", The Incredible String Band's "U", King Crimson's "Lizard", Caravan's "If I Could Do It All Over Again..." and Pink Floyd's "Atom Heart Mother", the scene have been largely developed completely.
I have to admit you have one leg to stand on. These albums are full-fledged prog indeed. Let me call it "early adulthood" then.
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: April 24 2020 at 10:29
Karlo wrote:
^ Give me a break, disco man.
Svettie,
don't come in with your twisted preconceived ideas of musical genre and prejudice, here.
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: April 24 2020 at 10:55
I was zero years old since I was born that year. :) Anyway, I consider 1970 to be a toddler year for prog. It had been around for a while but was now starting to walk. Trespass, Time and a word, the first ELP, Poseidon, A question of balance, Benefit, The least we can do, From the witchwood, Gentle Giant(first album), Atom Heart Mother, Abraxas(Santana), John Barleycorn must die, Chicago 2 and Burnt Weenie Sandwich among others are all very good.
Posted By: pancho253
Date Posted: April 24 2020 at 11:18
1974 how can you not include?? Relayer, the lamb
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: April 24 2020 at 11:28
Karlo wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
11 FunkadelicFunkadelic USA
You must be joking!
Your musical mind is not that open for you to make this comment. Funkadelic/Parliament were very progressive....and as far as musical style this is light years from disco.
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: April 24 2020 at 11:35
Yea "prog" was not even a moniker back then, it was art/psych/acid rock/pop. It was only in the mid 70's that the prog moniker started to be used.
Many, many artists were moving away from traditional music schemes in rock, R&B, pop, soul music....it was all progressive.
But I know what you are meaning and today we can label it prog.
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Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: April 24 2020 at 11:38
Some of that killer funk was quite progressive.
War, Mandrill, Cymande and Osibisa did some really cool stuff too.
Three of these four bands are listed on Prog Archives as Jazz/Rock Fusion, so I would not put them in the category of disco, either. Osibisa is a personal favorite of mine. Just because they use good grooves does not mean that the music is bad. These bands all had to work as highly cohesive units to make the music work at all, not unlike much of the output of King Crimson. As to Funkadelic, I would put Bootsy Collins on the same level with any bass player around, including our beloved gods of the bottom end, and Eddie Hazel's solo on Maggot Brain is amazing. Prog, my favorite musical genre, is not the only place for good musicianship.
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: April 24 2020 at 11:38
Catcher10 wrote:
Yea "prog" was not even a moniker back then, it was art/psych/acid rock/pop. It was only in the mid 70's that the prog moniker started to be used.
Many, many artists were moving away from traditional music schemes in rock, R&B, pop, soul music....it was all progressive.
But I know what you are meaning and today we can label it prog.
Nope. The term progressive rock was starting to be used by 1969 although just progressive was more common in the early 70's. The term prog rock didn't become a thing until the punk fans used it disparagingly in the late 70's and just "prog" wasn't really common until at least the late 80's.
Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: April 24 2020 at 13:06
someone_else wrote:
1970 was a good year, but prog was still in its adolescence. The greatest years were 1971, 1972, 1973 and 1975.
I share your opinion.
Posted By: Braka1
Date Posted: April 24 2020 at 14:19
BaldJean wrote:
let's name a few albums for 1970 (not just prog; I am not a prog snob at all):
Amon Düül 2 - Yeti
Atomic Rooster - Atomic Rooster
Atomic Rooster - Death Walks Behind You
Birth Control - Birth Control
Black Sabbath - Black Sabbath
Black Widow - Sacrifice
Can - Soundtracks
Curved Air - Air Conditioning
Deep Purple - Deep Purple in Rock
Doors, The - Morrison Hotel
Embryo - Opal
Emerson, Lake and Palmer - Emerson, Lake and Palmer
Fleetwood Mac - Kiln House
Frumpy - All Will Be Changed
Genesis - Trespass
Gentle Giant - Gentle Giant
Gong - Magick Brother
Grateful Dead - American Beauty
Guru Guru - UFO
Hawkwind - Hawkwind
King Crimson - Lizard
High Tide - High Tide
Iron Butterfly - Metamorphosis
Jethro Tull - Benefit
King Crimson - In the Wake of Poseidon
King Crimson - Lizard
Led Zeppelin - III
Lindisfarne - Nicely out of Tune
Lucifer's Friend - Lucifer's Friend
Magma - Magma
Mothers of Invention, The - Weasels Ripped My Flesh
Nice, The - Five Bridges
Omega - Éjszakai Országút
Pink Floyd - Atom Heart Mother
Popol Vuh - Affenstunde
Quicksilver Messenger Service - Just for Love
Quicksilver Messenger Service - What About Me
Quintessence - Quintessence
Rufus Zuphall - Weiß der Teufel
Santana - Abraxas
Tangerine Dream - Electronic Meditation
Titanic - Titanic
UFO - UFO 1
Uiah Heep - Very 'eavy, very 'umble
Van der Graaf Generator - The Least We Can Do Is Wave to Each Other
Van der Graaf Generator - H to He, Who Am the Only One
Wishbone Ash - Wishbone Ash
Yes - Time and a Word
Zappa, Frank - Chunga's Revenge
I probably forgot a lot
What a great list.
I'm trying to think of some faves from that year which you didn't mention. I may be out by a year here or there, but think these are mostly right (I'm actually concentrating on albums not considered orthodox prog)
A lot of folkie stuff in my list
David Bowie - The Man Who Sold the World
John Lennon - Plastic Ono Band
Fairport Convention - Full House
Al Stewart -Zero She Flies
Van Morrison - Moondance
Captain Beefheart - Lick My Decals Off, Baby
Tyrannosaurus Rex - A Beard of Stars
Incredible String Band - I Looked Up
Kinks - Lola Vs Powerman and the Moneygoround
John Cale - Vintage Violence
Paul Kantner / Jefferson Starhsip - Blows Against the Empire
CSNY - Deja Vu
Neil Young - After the Goldrush
Syd Barrett - The Madcap Laughs
Joni Mitchell - Ladies of the Canyon
Pentangle - Cruel Sister
Peter Green - The End of the Game
T.Rex - ST
Fotheringay - ST
Steeleye Span - Hark the village Wait
Amazing Blondel - Evensong
Holy God. And the scary thing is 1971 may have been even better. I read an article a while back from someone on NPR, arguing that 1971 was the greatest year for rock music. I didn't entirely agree with his theories (the main one was that a lot of people were in their late 20's at the time), but I've always thought of that period of around 69-72 as the premier years for rock in general, not just prog.
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: April 24 2020 at 14:48
Karlo wrote:
Catcher10 wrote:
Yea "prog" was not even a moniker back then, it was art/psych/acid rock/pop. It was only in the mid 70's that the prog moniker started to be used.
Many, many artists were moving away from traditional music schemes in rock, R&B, pop, soul music....it was all progressive.
But I know what you are meaning and today we can label it prog.
In the late 60's / early 70's, (British) "underground music" and "progressive music" were synonyms. Sorry but Funk and Soul have nothing to do with that.
Maybe in the Serbian part of Yougoslavie, Svettie... But even in Croatia, Funkadelic was progressive
Posted By: Mirakaze
Date Posted: April 24 2020 at 14:55
On top of the opuses mentioned already:
Jean-Luc Ponty - King Kong
Jean-Luc Ponty & Masahiko Satoh - Astrorama
Jimi Hendrix - Band Of Gypsys
Jon Appleton & Don Cherry - Human Music
The Tony Williams Lifetime - Turn It Over
Third Ear Band - Third Ear Band
Third Ear Band - Abelard & Heloise
György Ligeti - Chamber Concerto
Steve Reich - Four Organs
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: April 24 2020 at 15:05
AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:
Catcher10 wrote:
Yea "prog" was not even a moniker back then, it was art/psych/acid rock/pop. It was only in the mid 70's that the prog moniker started to be used.
Many, many artists were moving away from traditional music schemes in rock, R&B, pop, soul music....it was all progressive.
But I know what you are meaning and today we can label it prog.
Nope. The term progressive rock was starting to be used by 1969 although just progressive was more common in the early 70's. The term prog rock didn't become a thing until the punk fans used it disparagingly in the late 70's and just "prog" wasn't really common until at least the late 80's.
Maybe PROGRESSIVE ROCK but not PROG. And still, I struggle in finding any print in say Melody Maker or Billboard or Rolling Stone from late 60's that described bands as PROGRESSIVE ROCK. Especially when you look up reviews of some of these bands from late 60's. The majority of them were described as art/psych/acid poprock music.
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: April 24 2020 at 15:14
Karlo wrote:
Catcher10 wrote:
Yea "prog" was not even a moniker back then, it was art/psych/acid rock/pop. It was only in the mid 70's that the prog moniker started to be used.
Many, many artists were moving away from traditional music schemes in rock, R&B, pop, soul music....it was all progressive.
But I know what you are meaning and today we can label it prog.
In the late 60's / early 70's, (British) "underground music" and "progressive music" were synonyms. Sorry but Funk and Soul have nothing to do with that.
The problem is you have not listened to that style of music, its clear. Or you were exposed to it in the late 70's during the disco craze and mixed them up.
I grew up in that era, in So Cal where funk was massive. Where Parliament was the biggest funk/R&B band around, and their concerts were more than epic for the times, similar to EW&F shows. What they were doing was PROGRESSIVE, although not PROG.....where your confusion lies in both terms.
You can watch documentaries about say Pink Floyd and their late 60's shows were described as psychedelic, acid, art rock/pop music shows. Later on in the mid 70's those labels were changed to the all inclusive PROGRESSIVE ROCK.
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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: April 24 2020 at 15:19
Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: April 24 2020 at 18:29
Progosopher wrote:
Some of that killer funk was quite progressive.
War, Mandrill, Cymande and Osibisa did some really cool stuff too.
Three of these four bands are listed on Prog Archives as Jazz/Rock Fusion, so I would not put them in the category of disco, either. Osibisa is a personal favorite of mine. Just because they use good grooves does not mean that the music is bad. These bands all had to work as highly cohesive units to make the music work at all, not unlike much of the output of King Crimson. As to Funkadelic, I would put Bootsy Collins on the same level with any bass player around, including our beloved gods of the bottom end, and Eddie Hazel's solo on Maggot Brain is amazing. Prog, my favorite musical genre, is not the only place for good musicianship.
Well said!
And some of those Latin American musicians of the 50s and 60s (and 70s and 80s) could play circles around the "classically trained" artists of the early prog experimental days.
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: April 24 2020 at 20:35
Catcher10 wrote:
AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:
Catcher10 wrote:
Yea "prog" was not even a moniker back then, it was art/psych/acid rock/pop. It was only in the mid 70's that the prog moniker started to be used.
Many, many artists were moving away from traditional music schemes in rock, R&B, pop, soul music....it was all progressive.
But I know what you are meaning and today we can label it prog.
Nope. The term progressive rock was starting to be used by 1969 although just progressive was more common in the early 70's. The term prog rock didn't become a thing until the punk fans used it disparagingly in the late 70's and just "prog" wasn't really common until at least the late 80's.
Maybe PROGRESSIVE ROCK but not PROG. And still, I struggle in finding any print in say Melody Maker or Billboard or Rolling Stone from late 60's that described bands as PROGRESSIVE ROCK. Especially when you look up reviews of some of these bands from late 60's. The majority of them were described as art/psych/acid poprock music.
I stand by my comments(all of them)since I have researched it. The term prog rock wasn't used until the punk rockers used it to talk about "that crap prog rock." Again, just prog came a bit later(late 80's according to urbandictionary but 90's according to wikipedia). I actually had a mixed tape that I made in the 90's that I called "Mike's prog mixed tape" or something like that. I wish I kept it but I gave it to someone on a different website. If anyone wants to know some of the things on it send me a pm.
As for progressive rock it was used pretty early on. There is even an album on the archives where they call it progressive music from 1969. Here you go. http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=8007" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=8007
Also, you can see from these old threads that I'm not the only one who thinks "progressive rock" was used then. Was it widespread? No, probably not but that doesn't mean it wasn't used at all.
Also, from wikipedia: "Prog" was devised in the 1990s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_rock#cite_note-FOOTNOTERobinson2017223-16" rel="nofollow - [15] as a shorthand term, but later became a transferable adjective, also suggesting a wider palette than that drawn on by the most popular 1970s bands. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_rock#cite_note-FOOTNOTEHegartyHalliwell20119-17" rel="nofollow - [16]
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: April 24 2020 at 21:18
I was using the term Prog in the late-80’s - I think I got it from the guru behind the counter of the 2nd-Hand record shop near to my old home. And I’m getting tired of pigeonholing everything. Look at the ridiculous sub-sub-sub genres of Metal. Especially core. Things like Pornogrind ?? Sounds like something you do in the bedroom.....
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: April 24 2020 at 22:07
AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:
Catcher10 wrote:
AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:
Catcher10 wrote:
Yea "prog" was not even a moniker back then, it was art/psych/acid rock/pop. It was only in the mid 70's that the prog moniker started to be used.
Many, many artists were moving away from traditional music schemes in rock, R&B, pop, soul music....it was all progressive.
But I know what you are meaning and today we can label it prog.
Nope. The term progressive rock was starting to be used by 1969 although just progressive was more common in the early 70's. The term prog rock didn't become a thing until the punk fans used it disparagingly in the late 70's and just "prog" wasn't really common until at least the late 80's.
Maybe PROGRESSIVE ROCK but not PROG. And still, I struggle in finding any print in say Melody Maker or Billboard or Rolling Stone from late 60's that described bands as PROGRESSIVE ROCK. Especially when you look up reviews of some of these bands from late 60's. The majority of them were described as art/psych/acid poprock music.
I stand by my comments(all of them)since I have researched it. The term prog rock wasn't used until the punk rockers used it to talk about "that crap prog rock." Again, just prog came a bit later(late 80's according to urbandictionary but 90's according to wikipedia). I actually had a mixed tape that I made in the 90's that I called "Mike's prog mixed tape" or something like that. I wish I kept it but I gave it to someone on a different website. If anyone wants to know some of the things on it send me a pm.
As for progressive rock it was used pretty early on. There is even an album on the archives where they call it progressive music from 1969. Here you go. http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=8007" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=8007
Also, you can see from these old threads that I'm not the only one who thinks "progressive rock" was used then. Was it widespread? No, probably not but that doesn't mean it wasn't used at all.
Also, from wikipedia: "Prog" was devised in the 1990s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_rock#cite_note-FOOTNOTERobinson2017223-16" rel="nofollow - [15] as a shorthand term, but later became a transferable adjective, also suggesting a wider palette than that drawn on by the most popular 1970s bands. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_rock#cite_note-FOOTNOTEHegartyHalliwell20119-17" rel="nofollow - [16]
I think we are on same page, I may have misunderstood your comment about when PROG was started to be used. I agree it was later than the 70s that PROG was used.
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Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: April 24 2020 at 22:58
I have said many times, but say again I think 1966-74 were the greatest years music, maybe 1971 was the greatest, but all those other years also really great. Really many of my big favorites already mentioned here (I am also those who really love Funkadelic first), but here´s some more from 1970 I think haven´t mentioned yet:
Derek and the Dominos: Layla and Assorted Love Songs
the Allman Brothers Band: Idlewild South
Johnny Winter And: s/t
Apollo: Apollo (one of the first Finnish prog albums)
Canned Heat: Future Blues & Live In Europe
Wigwam: Tombstone Valentine
Simon & Garfunkel: Bridge Over Troubled Water
Laura Nyro: Christmas & the Beads Of Sweat
Mountain: Climbing!
Pekka Streng & Tasavallan Presidentti: Magneettimiehen Kuolema
Sperm: Shh! Heinäsirkat
Trader Horne: Morning Way
Yoko Ono/ Plastic Ono Band: s/t
Focus: Focus Plays Focus
Roy Harper: Flat Baroque & Berserk
Free: Fire and Water / Highway
...and I was born three years later
Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: April 24 2020 at 23:19
I commented on the Funkadelic digression, which now includes a couple of removed posts. Now, I would like to comment on the actual subject. 1970 was a fantastic year for music, as is evidenced by all the great albums fellow members have posted, so many so, that I would not even begin to make my own list here. This was a time when many of the more raw experimentations of psychedelia were coming to fruition. Creativity was honored and sought after. Rock was reaching a maturity it had not had before (which led to the later punk rebellion). I am gratified to see many bands and artists in previous lists that are not strictly prog, but remember, even bands as blewzy as Mountain, for example, put elements into the music that are consistent with Prog. I came to age in the 70s, and I am still exploring the music of that decade, going back to its beginning.
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Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: April 24 2020 at 23:45
Few great protopunkers not mentioned yet:
the Stooges: Fun House
the Velvet Underground: Loaded
MC5: Back In the USA (this is tame comparing to "Kick Out the Jams" of 1969, but I have liked this also)
Also one really great live album:
the Rolling Stones: Get Yer Ya Ya´s Out
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: April 25 2020 at 00:33
Logan wrote:
EDIT: a problem with deleting a user including their posts is that then other posts will be seen out of context. The following paragraph was referring to a removed user. I should have quoted just in case he got deleted. Basically he was saying that Funkadelic is disco and disco is a lame joke.
That [as said to the deleted user] comes across as very narrow-minded to me, and frankly, as a juvenile response. I love plenty of Funkadelic, and the debut from 1970 also is my favourite. It's funk rock with psychedelic qualities. I wouldn't call it disco (and I like plenty of disco and discoesque music). Out of curiosity, have you actually listened to the album? I like the related Parliament's Osmium from the same year also. To each his or her own tastes
Anyway, there is so much amazing music from 1970. Some of my faves are:
Magma - Kobaia Soft Machine - Third Igor Wakhévitch - Logos Amon Duul II - Yeti Supersister - Present From Nancy Can - Soundtracks Pink Floyd - Atom Heart Mother Linda Perhacs - Parallelograms Egg - Egg Association P.C. - Earwax Staff Carpenborg and the Electric Corona - Fantastic Party Van der Graaf Generator - The Least... and H to He... Atomic Rooster - Death Walks Behind You Pearls Before Swine - The Use of Ashes Demon Fuzz - Afreaka! Bo Hansson - Sagan om Ringen Dvid Bowie - The Man Who Sold the World David Axelrod - Earth Rot Tim Buckley - Starsailor and Lorca King Crimson - Lizard and In the Wake Trees - The Garden of Jane Delawney Jason Havelock - Pop Symphony Embryo - Opal Tangerine Dream - Electronic Meditation Nucleus - Elastic Rock Gentle Giant - Gentle Giant Miles Davis - Bitches Brew Kevin Ayers & The Whole World - Shooting at the Moon Robert Wyatt - The End of an Ear The Pentangle - Cruel Sister Forest - Full Circle C.O.B - Spirit of Love Tudor Lodge - Tudor Lodge Black Widow - Sacrifice Jan Dukes de Grey - Sorcerers Lucifer's Friend - self-titled Bruce Haack - The Electric Lucifer High Tide - High Tide Santana - Abraxas Caravan - If I Could Do It All Over Again, I'd Do It All Over You Vashti Bunyan - Just Another Diamond Day Jethro Tull - Benefit Quatermass - Quatermass Mickey Curtis and Samurai - Samurai Supertramp - Supertramp etc.
Absolutely stellar list, great work! Bitches Brew alone!!!
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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: April 25 2020 at 01:30
I bought my first three LPs that year from Record Club of America:
Led Zeppelin 3
In The Wake of Poseidon
Deja Vu (Crosby Stills Nash & Young)
I think I did OK, considering I was 13 years old.
Imagine my joy when I heard "Pictures of a City" live for the first time, 14 Sept 2014 in Chicago....
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: April 25 2020 at 04:12
BrufordFreak wrote:
Progosopher wrote:
Some of that killer funk was quite progressive.
War, Mandrill, Cymande and Osibisa did some really cool stuff too.
Three of these four bands are listed on Prog Archives as Jazz/Rock Fusion, so I would not put them in the category of disco, either. Osibisa is a personal favorite of mine. Just because they use good grooves does not mean that the music is bad. These bands all had to work as highly cohesive units to make the music work at all, not unlike much of the output of King Crimson. As to Funkadelic, I would put Bootsy Collins on the same level with any bass player around, including our beloved gods of the bottom end, and Eddie Hazel's solo on Maggot Brain is amazing. Prog, my favorite musical genre, is not the only place for good musicianship.
Well said!
And some of those Latin American musicians of the 50s and 60s (and 70s and 80s) could play circles around the "classically trained" artists of the early prog experimental days.
Well, Svettie (AKA Karlo) has been banned (again), so no-one will challenge this now
He's not totally wrong though, about most of these funk bands veering disco towards the end of the 70's, but in general, it was also a matter of financial survival (after all even Kiss and the Stones tried it, as Queen did as well), rather than ethical. And Ew&F or K&tG's disco was a far cry from the Donna Summer and Giorgo Moroder type of 2/2 disco, like I Feel Love.
I also dismissed these funk bands because I caught them in the late 70's doing disco (but I reassessed then during the 90's, when I borrowed their early stuff), and there is no way i'd want to see EX&F or K&tG (or James Brown, FTM) in PA, but Funkadelic/Paqrliaments is different animal; and I wish that War was here, but it's been turned down before.
Even Chic's Le Freak is relatively difficult funk
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: April 25 2020 at 04:39
^ Osibisa are great. A bit of disco creeping in by Ojah Awake (which is a solid album, mind) and Mystic Energy, but great musicianship nevertheless.
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: April 25 2020 at 05:50
Tom Ozric wrote:
^ Osibisa are great. A bit of disco creeping in by Ojah Awake (which is a solid album, mind) and Mystic Energy, but great musicianship nevertheless.
Welll Cos' Babel album has some real ugly disco beat.
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: April 25 2020 at 05:55
Sean Trane wrote:
Tom Ozric wrote:
^ Osibisa are great. A bit of disco creeping in by Ojah Awake (which is a solid album, mind) and Mystic Energy, but great musicianship nevertheless.
Welll Cos' Babel album has some real ugly disco beat.
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I love everything about Babel, including the disco groove. It's one of my very favourite albums.
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: April 25 2020 at 06:05
Tom Ozric wrote:
^ Osibisa are great. A bit of disco creeping in by Ojah Awake (which is a solid album, mind) and Mystic Energy, but great musicianship nevertheless.
One can hardly go wrong with bands that feature albums with Roger Dean cover art.
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: April 25 2020 at 06:13
Sean Trane wrote:
Tom Ozric wrote:
^ Osibisa are great. A bit of disco creeping in by Ojah Awake (which is a solid album, mind) and Mystic Energy, but great musicianship nevertheless.
Welll Cos' Babel album has some real ugly disco beat.
I’m only familiar with Viva Boma, and no disco beats there. Pure Canterbury bliss.
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: April 25 2020 at 06:22
BaldFriede wrote:
Tom Ozric wrote:
^ Osibisa are great. A bit of disco creeping in by Ojah Awake (which is a solid album, mind) and Mystic Energy, but great musicianship nevertheless.
One can hardly go wrong with bands that feature albums with Roger Dean cover art.
So true.
Posted By: PROGSHOW
Date Posted: April 25 2020 at 08:26
Honestly, an amazing year!
A few gems not mentioned that I enjoy, from the U.S. "progressive" scene of that time:
Quill s/t
Symphonic Metamorphosis s/t
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: April 26 2020 at 12:37
^Maybe that's where the Trip got the idea for one of their album covers. :)
Also, I'm not sure if the person who posted that video is aware or not but Quill actually played at Woodstock in 1969(first band on day 2).
Posted By: PROGSHOW
Date Posted: April 26 2020 at 13:57
AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:
Also, I'm not sure if the person who posted that video is aware or not but Quill actually played at Woodstock in 1969(first band on day 2).
See my avatar picture.
Posted By: PROGSHOW
Date Posted: April 26 2020 at 14:26
Re the U.S. underground scene of the early 70's, I'd like to mention also Bloodrock s/t album from 1970 :
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: April 26 2020 at 14:28
PROGSHOW wrote:
AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:
Also, I'm not sure if the person who posted that video is aware or not but Quill actually played at Woodstock in 1969(first band on day 2).
See my avatar picture.
Yeah? So. That could be any band from anywhere. If you say it's from Woodstock though(which seems to be what you are implying)then I'll take your word for it.
Posted By: PROGSHOW
Date Posted: April 26 2020 at 15:08
AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:
PROGSHOW wrote:
AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:
Also, I'm not sure if the person who posted that video is aware or not but Quill actually played at Woodstock in 1969(first band on day 2).
See my avatar picture.
Yeah? So. That could be any band from anywhere. If you say it's from Woodstock though(which seems to be what you are implying)then I'll take your word for it.
It's Quill's frontman Dan Cole on that picture from the Woodstock Festival.
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: April 26 2020 at 15:31
PROGSHOW wrote:
AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:
PROGSHOW wrote:
AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:
Also, I'm not sure if the person who posted that video is aware or not but Quill actually played at Woodstock in 1969(first band on day 2).
See my avatar picture.
Yeah? So. That could be any band from anywhere. If you say it's from Woodstock though(which seems to be what you are implying)then I'll take your word for it.
It's Quill's frontman Dan Cole on that picture from the Woodstock Festival.
From what I read about them on wikipedia they weren't able to get their performance recorded(due to tape speed not being synched up with the video properly)so they weren't featured in the Woodstock film. Unfortunately nothing by them appeared on any of the soundtrack albums either. According to wikipedia they would have become much more well known if they had(although I'm not sure I agree with that entirely). I have heard some of the stuff from their one album on youtube though and they sound good.
Also, a long time ago someone made me a bunch of prog tapes and one of them had Bloodrock on it(first album). They were good also.
Posted By: PROGSHOW
Date Posted: April 26 2020 at 21:25
The Beat of the Earth's "The Electronic Hole" LP from 1970 represents
then U.S. Psychedelic rock scene at its best and hence have to be
mentioned in this thread.
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: April 26 2020 at 22:40
Sean Trane wrote:
BrufordFreak wrote:
Progosopher wrote:
Some of that killer funk was quite progressive.
War, Mandrill, Cymande and Osibisa did some really cool stuff too.
Three of these four bands are listed on Prog Archives as Jazz/Rock Fusion, so I would not put them in the category of disco, either. Osibisa is a personal favorite of mine. Just because they use good grooves does not mean that the music is bad. These bands all had to work as highly cohesive units to make the music work at all, not unlike much of the output of King Crimson. As to Funkadelic, I would put Bootsy Collins on the same level with any bass player around, including our beloved gods of the bottom end, and Eddie Hazel's solo on Maggot Brain is amazing. Prog, my favorite musical genre, is not the only place for good musicianship.
Well said!
And some of those Latin American musicians of the 50s and 60s (and 70s and 80s) could play circles around the "classically trained" artists of the early prog experimental days.
Well, Svettie (AKA Karlo) has been banned (again), so no-one will challenge this now
He's not totally wrong though, about most of these funk bands veering disco towards the end of the 70's, but in general, it was also a matter of financial survival (after all even Kiss and the Stones tried it, as Queen did as well), rather than ethical. And Ew&F or K&tG's disco was a far cry from the Donna Summer and Giorgo Moroder type of 2/2 disco, like I Feel Love.
I also dismissed these funk bands because I caught them in the late 70's doing disco (but I reassessed then during the 90's, when I borrowed their early stuff), and there is no way i'd want to see EX&F or K&tG (or James Brown, FTM) in PA, but Funkadelic/Paqrliaments is different animal; and I wish that War was here, but it's been turned down before.
Even Chic's Le Freak is relatively difficult funk
Guess I missed all the excitement with Karlo's posts........ I don't think any of these funk bands should be here in PA. I have a good perspective on these funk bands because I was there early on before the disco era started, and for sure some of them melded in....EW&F, The Bar-Kays, Isley Bros, Ohio Players all pure Funk/R&B that dipped their feet into Disco in late 70's. Although IMO very progressive in what they were all doing.
You think Le Freak is funk? I mean Disco came from Funk, but I only associate that song with Disco especially that it came out in 78/79 and is loosely about Studio54, Nile's guitar strut of that song almost defines the Disco sound that was copied over and over.
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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: April 26 2020 at 22:54
1970 was an excellent year! Maybe not as good as the following years but some favorite albums exist
https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/caravan/if-i-could-do-it-all-over-again-id-do-it-all-over-you/" rel="nofollow - If I Could Do It All Over Again, I'd Do It All Over You
https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/king-crimson" rel="nofollow - King Crimson
https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/atomic-rooster/death-walks-behind-you-1/" rel="nofollow - Death Walks Behind You
https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/van-der-graaf-generator" rel="nofollow - Van der Graaf Generator
https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/van-der-graaf-generator/the-least-we-can-do-is-wave-to-each-other/" rel="nofollow - The Least We Can Do Is Wave to Each Other
Posted By: Cosmiclawnmower
Date Posted: April 27 2020 at 15:16
Lots of faves already mentioned.. Also from that year:
Hawkwind- Hawkwind
Omega- Ejszakai Orszagut
Mr Fox- Mr Fox
Rare Bird- As your mind flies by
Third Ear Band- Third Ear band (Elements)
McDonald and Giles (yes yes it was released on January 3rd 1971...)
Etc etc
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: April 27 2020 at 18:43
Sean Trane wrote:
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Maybe in the Serbian part of Yougoslavie, Svettie... But even in Croatia, Funkadelic was progressive
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Hi,
Weird ... we allow a lot of metal bands that sound exactly the same, but handling an original like Funkadelic gets the brush off ... very strange ... and sometimes I think this is one of the bad things about "progressive" enjoying thinking that many American bands do not fit, and many of them in those days DID fit, just for originality alone!
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: April 27 2020 at 19:21
I turned 5 as of March 30 that year. Can't really remember what I was into but what I got now is as follows.
I may need to revisit some of these dates. Where I don't have the month may have been released year.