Nursery crime-a masterpiece
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Topic: Nursery crime-a masterpiece
Posted By: DiamondsandPearls
Subject: Nursery crime-a masterpiece
Date Posted: November 30 2020 at 14:42
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Hiya, Im new in this forum! My name is DiamondsAndPearls, nice to meet you. Today I wanna talk abput the album Nursery Crime, from genesis. It features a lot of amazing and iconic songs, like Harlequin or Fountain of Salmacis, and it also haves a lot of hidden jewels like Harold the Barrel, one of my fav genesis songs of all time. The special thing about this album is that the songs are all different fron each other, witb very varied topics and sounds, but all with that mark that only genesis can have. I just love it hehehe  . The best of all is that it features long and short songs for equal, so U have both songs to listen in your house to relaz or to wait for the bus. I recommend it a lot, and if U know something thats simmilar recomend it, please!
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Posted By: A Crimson Mellotron
Date Posted: November 30 2020 at 14:47
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It sure is a masterpiece, you might want to hear the rest of 70s Genesis, if you don't know it already. If you do, there are tons of quality symphonic prog, so I suggest browsing PA and exploring! |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: November 30 2020 at 14:56
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Well hello and welcome to the forum. Nursery Crime is indeed a wonderful album and a great place to start with Symphonic prog. Prog groups have a lot of similarities but all have their own unique sound. I would suggest you continue with Genesis and go with Foxtrot and Selling England by the Pound. To stay in the symphonic sub genre, I would suggest In The Court of the Crimson King by King Crimson and Fragile or Close to the Edge by Yes. All very different from one another but are classic albums. And enjoy. ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: November 30 2020 at 15:46
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Welcome to PA! For sure this is a brilliant album, I love all of it....But I am biased as Genesis are my #2 all time fav group. I'm a big fan of Harold The Barrel too. BTW, are you a Prince fan?? -------------   
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: November 30 2020 at 16:52
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Wow, maybe the first person on here to have a Prince song in their username. ;)
Anyway, yes "Nursery Cryme" is great. I find it to be more consistent over all than Foxtrot even though it has Supper's Ready on it. "The fountain of Sulmacis" and "The Musical Box" are two of the best Genesis songs of all time. "Return of the Giant Hogweed" and "Seven Stones" are very good too. Heck, the whole thing is great. Similar to Nusery Cryme? Well, try the Genesis album right before it which is Trespass and the one right after it which is Foxtrot. Also, maybe "Geese and the Ghost" by Anthony Phillips who was the original guitarist for Genesis. He didn't play on NC of course but apparently some of those songs were written when he was still in the band. Maybe someone on here can verify that and say which ones specifically.
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Posted By: judahbenkenobi
Date Posted: November 30 2020 at 17:59
| Apparently, "The Musical Box" was based on an acoustic piece developed by Ant Phillips and Mike called "F#". The demo of that track is featured in Ant's Archive Collection, Volume One, released in 1998. |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: November 30 2020 at 18:00
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That's cool. Thanks for sharing that Judah. ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: geekfreak
Date Posted: November 30 2020 at 22:29
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Masterpieces ------------- Friedrich Nietzsche: "Without music, life would be a mistake." Music Is Live Two people are better off than one, for they can help each other succeed. Keep Calm And Listen To The Music… < |
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: November 30 2020 at 23:41
Hey OP, I loved that Prince song as a kid! Welcome to PA! Excellent band and album to introduce yourself by  !------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: December 01 2020 at 01:54
| Nursery Cryme - my first prog album. It took me into a very strange world of musical boxes, man-eating plants and people who cut their toes off. Extremely weird but I was hooked for life then. |
Posted By: geekfreak
Date Posted: December 01 2020 at 02:14
Yes weirdness all over the album but as you said hook for life ------------- Friedrich Nietzsche: "Without music, life would be a mistake." Music Is Live Two people are better off than one, for they can help each other succeed. Keep Calm And Listen To The Music… < |
chopper wrote:Posted By: Umeda
Date Posted: December 01 2020 at 04:23
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It is my favorite Genesis album. Welcome. ------------- Not for rent. To any God or government. |
Posted By: grantman
Date Posted: December 01 2020 at 07:37
An album that would define many other albums, in the gabriel era of the group. 
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: December 01 2020 at 09:23
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Indeed a wonderful album but the word masterpiece gets used too often on PA. It ranks just behind Foxtrot and SEBTP...which respectively have Suppers Ready and Firth of Fifth ...Box, and Fountain on Cryme aren't quite as strong imho. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: December 01 2020 at 11:52
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Hogweed is cool and Salmacis pretty good The rest is ok. Bit dull and twee  ------------- All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock. |
Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: December 01 2020 at 12:13
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Nursery Cryme is my personal favorite of Genesis. IMO, Harold the Barrel should have been released as a single. ------------- ---------- i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions |
Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: December 01 2020 at 15:44
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Actually Genesis Live was the first prog album I bought and Musical Box helped me to recover from the Beatles. PS: I must add than today I'm still in remission. |
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: December 01 2020 at 23:08
This is exactly how I've always felt. Fountain is the strongest track on Nursery Cryme for me! In the end, we have them all to listen to and enjoy .------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: December 02 2020 at 00:49
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I had the cd but sold it. Trespass was really good and I was expecting a step up from that on this album but it was a step down. 2 new members changed the balance a bit. They got back on track with Foxtrot ------------- All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock. |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: December 02 2020 at 01:01
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It would be a Cryme to give Genesis' masterpiece album anything less than five stars.
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Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: December 08 2020 at 18:30
I definitely agree, Harold the Barrel could have been a hit. ------------- A curse upon the heads of those who seek their fortunes in a lie. The truth is always waiting when there's nothing left to try. - Colin Henson, Jade Warrior (Now) |
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: December 08 2020 at 23:38
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That track always stood out to me as the most "A taste of what's to come" Genesis track. I still stand by that it also feels they hit a new level on their recorded performance of Fountain of Salmacis, too. ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: Spacegod87
Date Posted: December 09 2020 at 06:05
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^ Fountain of Salmacis is a banger of a song. Top tier Genesis.
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Posted By: Sacro_Porgo
Date Posted: December 09 2020 at 14:44
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The only thing wrong with Nursery Cryme is Foxtrot turned out even better than it. Oh, and the production couldn't quite handle Steve's absolutely massive distortion. ------------- Porg for short. My love of music doesn't end with prog! Feel free to discuss all sorts of music with me. Odds are I'll give it a chance if I haven't already! :) |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: December 09 2020 at 14:55
I don't really hear any "massive distortion" on NC. What in particular are you referring to?
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Posted By: Sacro_Porgo
Date Posted: December 09 2020 at 15:35
The Musical Box in particular. Steve's guitar parts are super loud and distorted. ------------- Porg for short. My love of music doesn't end with prog! Feel free to discuss all sorts of music with me. Odds are I'll give it a chance if I haven't already! :) |
Posted By: Cosmiclawnmower
Date Posted: December 09 2020 at 15:58
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As a Botanist, any album that has a song that (correcetly, in Latin) namechecks a plant is great! Hogweed is one of the first of Genesis' satirical tracks and a great mix of the beginings of paranoia regarding 'invasive non native plants' (indeed more a topical subject today than ever) with 'Day of the Triffids' sci-fi. Much of the 'Musical Box' was part of what the band termed 'The movement' which was written and/or jammed out in the period (at 'the Cottage') in the pre- Trespass 1969 period so would have been written in part by Antony Phillips. ------------- |
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: December 10 2020 at 00:46
What you're describing is a limitation of production and mixing, mostly due to clipping. I also agree completely I can hear a lot of stuff on the remaster, because it's such a high quality rip from those master tapes! Smokey perfection. I agree that Foxtrot is superior. ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: December 20 2020 at 09:54
I agree it's really on the production end. The worst offender are the loud parts on Return of the Giant Hogweed. Phil Collins spoke once in an interview about the density of sound and not having room for the sound in that album. The band seem to have learned that they needed to write with production in mind. I don't like the writing changes and timbre changes they made on Foxtrot though. Personally, I rate Nursery Cryme higher than Foxtrot. That's me. ------------- A curse upon the heads of those who seek their fortunes in a lie. The truth is always waiting when there's nothing left to try. - Colin Henson, Jade Warrior (Now) |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: December 20 2020 at 16:12
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^Yep. It must be a production thing because Steve's guitar sounds fine to me. I also think Steve was trying to prove he could handle the more agressive material and not only play the soft pastoral parts.
As for Foxtrot VS Nursery Cryme I probably prefer NC also. Foxtrot has supper's ready but NC just flows better imo and has stronger shorter songs. I think if it wasn't for the hard work they put into Trespass which was probably a learning process for them more than anything else we wouldn't have had NC and FT.
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Posted By: Sacro_Porgo
Date Posted: December 20 2020 at 23:28
Oh I never meant to imply that it was on Steve's end. Definitely they just didn't have access to recording tech that could capture the sheer volume they were putting out, which leads to the clipping and distortion. Also after relistening the other day I found the heavy distorted parts of The Musical Box I was thinking of are probably Banks' organ/keys, which is the most metal I've ever heard him play, lol. \m/ ------------- Porg for short. My love of music doesn't end with prog! Feel free to discuss all sorts of music with me. Odds are I'll give it a chance if I haven't already! :) |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: December 21 2020 at 01:12
| Took me a long time to get past the muddy production , basically until 2007! Yep easily the best album of 1971 , well maybe Pawn Hearts aside. |