ULVER ...... what is that?
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Topic: ULVER ...... what is that?
Posted By: Nazgul
Subject: ULVER ...... what is that?
Date Posted: October 07 2005 at 06:40
For last two weeks I'm listening Ulver "Perdiction City" and I can't
stop. I think they are great. I have listened some older albums and It
was shock of me. Metal band plays that music! I tried find them in prog
archieves, but there is no word about them. I read thas some people
called them Kimg Crimson XXI century. A lot of electronic ambient and
samples, strange vocals and sound imitation sonar "ping" and
hypnotizing saxophone.
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Posted By: Reverie
Date Posted: October 07 2005 at 06:44
Lost in Moments is one of the best songs set to record or rather CD? 
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Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: October 07 2005 at 06:45
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aint they a black metal band like Opeth? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Fjuffe/?chartstyle=sideRed - [IMG - http://imagegen.last.fm/sideRed/recenttracks/Fjuffe.gif - |
Posted By: Nazgul
Date Posted: October 07 2005 at 06:45
I agree  |
Reverie wrote:Posted By: Reverie
Date Posted: October 07 2005 at 06:47
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Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: October 07 2005 at 06:49
i dont know i have never heard them i just saw that guy ULVER982 posting about them and he seemed like a black metal fan and then i always thought it was a black metal band ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Fjuffe/?chartstyle=sideRed - [IMG - http://imagegen.last.fm/sideRed/recenttracks/Fjuffe.gif - |
Posted By: Nazgul
Date Posted: October 07 2005 at 06:50
They were black metal band but Perdiction City or Blood Inside are so diffrent of metal. It is to hard qualify that music. |
Posted By: Reverie
Date Posted: October 07 2005 at 06:52
Oh yes, sorry, i meant about the "like Opeth" part |
Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: October 07 2005 at 06:53
ah well i thought it might be a BLACK METAL band with progressive elements like opeth is...besides do they do growling? i hate growling,,, ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Fjuffe/?chartstyle=sideRed - [IMG - http://imagegen.last.fm/sideRed/recenttracks/Fjuffe.gif - |
Posted By: Reverie
Date Posted: October 07 2005 at 07:04
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Well the thing is Opeth isn't black metal Ulver did 'screaming' in some of their early stuff, yes. Although they do have one album (Kveldssanger) which is completely acoustic folk type stuff. |
Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: October 07 2005 at 07:08
ah well i am not very good at classifying doom,death,black,thrash,white,grind and all these kinds of metal...usually if it has growlin in it i classify it as black metal ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Fjuffe/?chartstyle=sideRed - [IMG - http://imagegen.last.fm/sideRed/recenttracks/Fjuffe.gif - |
Posted By: hdfisch
Date Posted: October 07 2005 at 07:13
They were really incredibly developing their style starting from pure
black metal over some kind of post rock to something that could be
called prog metal (not unlike Opeth actually). I listened to all their
outputs and I've to say I prefer their latest and "William Blake" as
well the Kjellsanger one. But Perdition City is great as well if
one likes that style. I posted already a poll in the Collab's section
whether to include them but there was very little feedback, so I
assumed they aren't that much interesting and I did not add them to the
Archives. Moreover I really wouldn't know in which genre to put them,
they are very hard to categorize!
------------- To be prog or not to be, that's not the question! Sillyam Likesbeer |
Posted By: Nazgul
Date Posted: October 07 2005 at 07:16
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There is no growling you must hear that There are no guitars its very minimalistc. on this site you can find metal fan review of this album> www.dying.art.pl/reviews/read/134.html and review of blood inside www.aversionline.com/reviews/2593/ |
Posted By: Pablo_P
Date Posted: October 07 2005 at 12:58
Perdition city is a great album My favourite song is "The future sound of music" with this beautiful intro... Well, I must say also Arcturus may be called "King Crimson of the XXI century" IMO - maybe it's because of Garm, the visionary artist... (which left the band few years ago) ------------- Pablo P. |
Posted By: Wolf Spider
Date Posted: October 07 2005 at 13:32
Opeth - black metal?  Dude it`s prog death metal------------- http://www.lastfm.pl/user/tomash33 - Last.fm |
Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: October 07 2005 at 13:38
Get offa him.. he allready explained... Maidenrulez... Did You EVER try Opeth? Did You EVER try the album Damnation? If not, try it.. might change Yer mind bout them... There's no growling on that one... ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5"> 
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Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: October 07 2005 at 15:46
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I would love to see Ulver listed on here. Their debut album Bergtatt is an amazing folky melodic black metal album, maybe prog but definitely brilliant. Kveldssanger is a great Nordic folk album, which they then followed up with Nattens Madrigal, an extremely raw pure black metal effort. From this point on they completely changed their sound and went into electronic post-rock type music. If nothing else they're one of the most diverse bands in existence, and have at least a couple very proggy albums in their discography. The major issue would be which genre to classify them under... |
Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: October 07 2005 at 16:26
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ive got Ghost reveries...its ok...but as every other prog metal album very repatative song structure: HEAVY intro ACCOUSTIC/SOFT MIDPART and heavy outro...that is even more predictable than maiden ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Fjuffe/?chartstyle=sideRed - [IMG - http://imagegen.last.fm/sideRed/recenttracks/Fjuffe.gif - |
Posted By: hotbelly
Date Posted: October 09 2005 at 00:42
He specifically mentioned Damnation for a reason though....that album has no heavy parts whatsoever. |
Posted By: goose
Date Posted: October 09 2005 at 09:09
Growling's only really in death or doomdeath metal. And grind, I suppose. In black metal it tends to be shrieking or screaming.
On topic, though, Ulver are very good indeed. Stylistically all over the place
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Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: October 09 2005 at 19:54
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As for category - well - they are so not metal in their later albums. More electronica with lots of jazz rhythms. It's a hard one. But I would be thrilled to see them added in the Archives. ------------- 
"Music is the Wine that fills the cup of Silence" - Robert Fripp |
Posted By: ulver982
Date Posted: October 09 2005 at 20:40
What's up! Ya, I'm a black metal fan..well not as much as I used to be. When I first heard Ulver, it was with their Bergtatt album and I listened to each album as it was released, and I like everything I've heard. Their only "true" black metal album would be their 3rd album..even though I heard they recorded it after Bergtatt but released it after Kveldsjanger...Also, I heard that they purposely recorded Natten Madrigal with an extremely bad production because they had to realease one more album through Century Media and they didn't have a good relationship with the label. But anywho, I digress... the topic of whether to put Ulver on this site has been discussed, yet no action has taken place. Maybe not enough of the callaboraters care for them or just haven't really listened to their music, I dunno! I agree that it is very hard to categorize them, and could be a main reason why they are not on here. But hey, just put them in any genre, I'm sure something they recorded will fit into it From their Metamorphosis ep: Note: Ulver is obviously not a black metal band and does not wish to be stigmatized as such. We acknowledge the realtion of part I & III of the Trilogie ("Bergtatt & "Nattens Madrigal") to this culture, but stress that these endeavours were written as stepping stones rather than conclusions. We are proud of our former instincts, but wish to liken our association with said genre to that of the snake with Eve. An incentive to further frolic only. If this discourages you in any way, please have the courtesy to refrain from voicing superficial remarks regarding our music and/or personae. We are as unknown to you as we always were.
------------- Improvement makes straight roads, but the crooked roads without improvement, are roads of genius. Silence is the music of the future. |
Posted By: Pseud0
Date Posted: October 16 2005 at 19:00
just freakin add them already  put them under progressive elecronic or experimental/rio ------------- 
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Posted By: hdfisch
Date Posted: November 03 2005 at 07:28
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I've posted their bio to the band admissions team and as far I could
see they should be on the pre-approval list, so guess it's just a
matter of time that they'll show up on the site. I'm pretty sure they
belong here, cumon if Borknagar, Arcturus are progressive they're
certainly as well. And why should Opeth be so much more progressive
than Ulver (although I like all those bands!)? They were quite death
metal-ish as well in their beginning. So to all lovers of their stuff: let's be a bit patient! Long live Ulver and Garm!
------------- To be prog or not to be, that's not the question! Sillyam Likesbeer |
Posted By: Mnemosyne
Date Posted: November 03 2005 at 12:39
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Ulver is a great great band, but they should not be in the archives as prog metal... They belong more to the Experimental or Avant- Prog realm (also considering that Fantomas is in the archives as Avant-Prog and they also sound metal-ish) ------------- I'm a Man-Owl-Fish. Creator-Observer-Muse. |
Posted By: goose
Date Posted: November 03 2005 at 12:43
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I half-agree with Mnemosyne on this one. Perhaps if I heard more of their later records I'd agree fully
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Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: November 03 2005 at 12:58
| Ulver is indeed a great band. Nattens Madrigal is absolutely bloody amazing, one of the best albums ever. The other two parts of the trilogy, Bergtatt and Kveldssanger are also great. From their electronic albums, Perdition City is cool. The latest I didn't like that much. |
Posted By: hdfisch
Date Posted: November 03 2005 at 14:32
Actually Nattens Madrigal is the only one I don't like of them and it's pure black metal, nothing to do with prog at all. Bergtatt is nicer and I like it, as well Kvellsanger of course. But all parts of this trilogy not prog at all. Only the stuff they did after those can be considered as such and I would absolutely agree with Mnemosyne to not list them under prog metal. Not sure if they are that much Avant-Prog as Fantomas, either Progressive Electronic or Experimental/Post-Rock I would say! ------------- To be prog or not to be, that's not the question! Sillyam Likesbeer |
Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: November 04 2005 at 00:23
Bergtatt is "pure black metal" as well, the only difference really is that Nattens Madrigal's production is very primitive and there are more folk parts on Bergtatt. |
Posted By: Kohllapse
Date Posted: November 04 2005 at 00:48
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Logos , Do you find that the "bad" production makes those albums "unlistenable" ?
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Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: November 04 2005 at 06:28
| ^ Read my first post and you'll see what I think. |
Posted By: hdfisch
Date Posted: November 04 2005 at 08:49
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It's not only the bad production, what I dislike at "Nattens" but
mainly the roughness and crudity, maybe for me it's too much pure black
metal. By the way I like to listen as well to some BM, not all of
it and not quite often. Bergtatt I would not consider as pure black
metal (depends how one defines it, for me Barthory is original black
metal), I'd rather call it black folk metal. But everything just a
matter of taste and fortunately everyone has a different one. So why
discussing at all about such things?
------------- To be prog or not to be, that's not the question! Sillyam Likesbeer |
Posted By: hdfisch
Date Posted: November 04 2005 at 08:56
Logos, that is just your opinion, and what is meaning best album ever
(in general, in metal, in black metal?) I think even in black metal
such a statement is more than questionable. Do you think the band
itself considers it a good one. I don't think so. As far as I read it
was more a kind of experiment for them. It might be quite original and
unique, but that's something different from being good or best ever.
------------- To be prog or not to be, that's not the question! Sillyam Likesbeer |
Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: November 04 2005 at 09:44
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^ It doesn't matter whether the band likes it, it is considered as one of the best black metal albums within metalheads around the world.
The sound is very primitive, but that's how it was meant to be, and when you get past that, what you get is an extraordinarily strong, atmospheric metal album. |
Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: November 04 2005 at 09:46
Yes, I agree that Bathory was one of the first, but Venom originally created the genre, but the Norwegian black metal is very different from the original sound of Venom. |
Posted By: blanx
Date Posted: November 04 2005 at 10:59
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except for the viking trilogy^ Venom is goofy; those Norwegiens took that appearance Venom was using as a gimmick and created a new genre of extreme metal. Which I like. |
Posted By: TCHORT
Date Posted: January 16 2006 at 01:04
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isn't minimallist music, prog at all????? because that is the music on Natterns madrigal black of course, but if u listen well, u will apreciate the magic inside this album.
PROGRESION THROUGH REGRESION thats what Garm says about this album ------------- I am no longer master of my fascinations |
Posted By: Eetu Pellonpaa
Date Posted: January 16 2006 at 01:50
I enjoyed this album very much! |
Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: January 16 2006 at 19:13
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although I don't have all their albums themes from William Blake's ... is sth that you must have in your collection sorry, did I get a little bit too far...? no seriously this is an incredibly interesting and innovative album... trust me |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: January 16 2006 at 19:37
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^ I bought that album today. It's good! ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to: 
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Posted By: TCHORT
Date Posted: January 17 2006 at 02:34
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William Blake is a great album, and is the one with the more lirycs so you can appreciate, as well, Garm's "angelical" voice!!!! even if he only narrates some parts intead of really singing ------------- I am no longer master of my fascinations |
Posted By: lordoflight
Date Posted: February 13 2006 at 13:12
| For anyone who likes their more recent electronic works check out A Quick Fix of Melancholy EP. You'll be surprised by how good it is |
Posted By: Pseud0
Date Posted: February 19 2006 at 19:10
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ok good thing they are added, but.... CHANGE THEIR GENRE (they arn't metal... either 'progressive electronic' or 'experimental/post rock' would be much more fitting) ADD THE REST OF THEIR RECORDINGS |
Posted By: mithrandir
Date Posted: March 25 2006 at 18:06
| their first 3 albums are okay, even though Nattens Madrigal is a bit overrated IMO, his later supposed "experimental" albums are stinky poo IMO, |
Posted By: Pablo_P
Date Posted: March 26 2006 at 05:07
yeah, I have this album for quite a long time and it's amazing ------------- Pablo P. |