Nursery Cryme vs Pawn Hearts
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Topic: Nursery Cryme vs Pawn Hearts
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Subject: Nursery Cryme vs Pawn Hearts
Date Posted: September 29 2021 at 00:44
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Exactly what it looks like, Bobby! GO!!! ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: September 29 2021 at 01:02
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VDGG ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: September 29 2021 at 01:30
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Two bands that I don't dig very much, but I prefer VdGG. ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: September 29 2021 at 02:02
| Genesis - Nursery Cryme (1971) |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: September 29 2021 at 02:28
A 5-star album up against a 2-star album, so it'd be a Cryme for me not to vote for Genesis. 
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Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: September 29 2021 at 02:42
| Nursery Cryme gets my vote. |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: September 29 2021 at 03:12
| Nursery Cryme for me - Musical Box, Hogweed and Salmacis! I think it was the first prog album I heard, I was probably 11 or 12 at the time and I read the lyrics and thought "what the hell is all this?" and that's where it all started. |
Posted By: VianaProghead
Date Posted: September 29 2021 at 03:16
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I love both, but I definitely I prefer VDGG - Pawn Hearts, one of my fave prog albums ever.
------------- "PROG IS MY FERRARI". Jem Godfrey (Frost*) |
Posted By: friso
Date Posted: September 29 2021 at 03:50
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Since the beautiful vinyl print of the remix of Nursury Cryme, this has become a close call. Still voted for VdGG though. ------------- I'm guitarist and songwriter for the prog-related band Mother Bass. Find us at http://www.motherbass.com. I also enter stages throughout the Netherlands performing my poetry. |
Posted By: Mormegil
Date Posted: September 29 2021 at 03:52
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Genesis gets the nod. ------------- Welcome to the middle of the film. |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: September 29 2021 at 04:01
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Love both, but Pawn Hearts |
Posted By: I prophesy disaster
Date Posted: September 29 2021 at 04:45
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A great album vs the ultimate album... Pawn Hearts. ------------- No, I know how to behave in the restaurant now, I don't tear at the meat with my hands. If I've become a man of the world somehow, that's not necessarily to say I'm a worldly man. |
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: September 29 2021 at 05:04
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PH! ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: September 29 2021 at 05:26
| 'Nursery Cryme' - my favorite Genesis album of all time. |
Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: September 29 2021 at 08:29
yup same.
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Psychedelic Paul wrote:Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: September 29 2021 at 10:57
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The Genesis is absorbing but the Vans are monumental with Pawn Hearts. I'm surprised by the tally here. ------------- "It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno |
Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: September 29 2021 at 11:48
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Nursery Cryme by a hair. ------------- ---------- i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions |
Posted By: Sacro_Porgo
Date Posted: September 29 2021 at 12:09
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Pawn Hearts is more out there for sure, and more impressive honestly, but Genesis is in my top five artists of all time and Nursery Cryme is a big reason why. ------------- Porg for short. My love of music doesn't end with prog! Feel free to discuss all sorts of music with me. Odds are I'll give it a chance if I haven't already! :) |
Posted By: Gentle and Giant
Date Posted: September 29 2021 at 13:38
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VdGG. Pawn Hearts is a masterpiece. ------------- Oh, for the wings of any bird, other than a battery hen |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: September 29 2021 at 16:05
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Pawn Hearts has two good tracks; the best of these offers some contest against Nursery Cryme. ------------- 
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: September 30 2021 at 00:37
| VDGG for sure. |
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: September 30 2021 at 01:45
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A Plague of Lighthouse keepers completely knocks out and overcompensates for the track consistency on NC, IMHO. ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: September 30 2021 at 13:32
Nursery Cryme because one can listen to it without getting a headache. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: September 30 2021 at 15:42
Pawn Hearts because I can listen to it without getting really drowsy. I like both, but I adore Pawn Hearts -- and I never got a headache when listening to it, but head conditions vary depending on the cognitive abilities to process information.  ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me. |
Posted By: Boojieboy
Date Posted: September 30 2021 at 15:55
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Nursery Cryme. But this is like a contest between beauty and chaos, light vs. dark. Both groups have their own approaches, so we're best just appreciating them both. Each has it's own space. I'd rather have both, than only one.
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Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: September 30 2021 at 23:59
Pawn Hearts, unless it's nap time then the first 3 Genesis records are better than NightQuil .------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: October 01 2021 at 01:42
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Nursery Cryme is a vastly superior album IMO. Never liked Plague, it just gives me a headache. It like a nervous breakdown at times, and I can live without that. Man Erg is an incredible song, and Lemmings aint too shoddy either, but nthe album is let down by the 'epic' Nursery Cryme is an eclectic collection of excellent songs, including some early Genesis classics, like TMB, Hogweed and Salmacis. I think some of the live versions of these songs were better, but a classic album nonetheless. Pawn Hearts would probably sit just outside my VDGG top five, tbh. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Earl of Mar
Date Posted: October 02 2021 at 09:00
| NC is my favourite Genesis album. I keep trying with VDGG but it's still not quite clicking. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: October 02 2021 at 09:12
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^ Have you tried The Least We Can Do is Wave to Each Other? Sometimes I find too that it's just about finding the right songs or even moments and being in the right headspace. "House with No Door" is what turned me onto VdGG as that resonated with my psyche. ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: October 02 2021 at 09:26
More like a you issue than an album issue. Sure it's your opinion that one is superior to the other, but some opinions are more objective, informed and valid than others. I prefer to phrase things as "I much prefer so-and-so because..." And I rather think the point of A Plague is that it is evocative of a nervous breakdown. If that is that intent and it succeeds then it's a success. I find it achingly beautiful in part and love the contrast in the music of this sort of suite. That doesn't mean one should like it, but hopefully one can factor that into the evaluation of merit. I find Pawn Hearts to be the far more interesting and engaging album, but then I expect that my tastes commonly are more "out there" and quirky than yours. ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me. |
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: October 02 2021 at 10:10
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One of my all time fave albums against one of the most boring classic prog albums to my ears? Well, Pawn Hearts all the way -------------  https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: October 02 2021 at 10:40
I feel exactly the same way... "House with No Door" is the first VDGG song I ever heard - about a year ago - and it inspired me to go out and buy their two classic 1970 albums. I'm just glad that Pawn Hearts wasn't the first VDGG album I listened to, or it might have put me off them for life.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: October 02 2021 at 10:52
Other than Man-Erg, Pawn Hearts didn't really connect with me for quite some time. The two previous albums worked much better as an intro on the whole. I did first discover VdGG in the bad old Napster days, so I was getting to know songs more than albums. I was put off by what I would have called histrionics. It's one of those bands that still carry favour for me after many years, while others I got to know at the time and loved at first listen I lost interest in. Those growers often last the longest for me in terms of appreciation. That said, I remember well when "A Plague of Lighthouse Keeps" clicked and I became quite obsessed with it. I had actually never "really" listened to it before in the right space.
------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me. |
Posted By: I prophesy disaster
Date Posted: October 02 2021 at 12:31
Pawn Hearts clicked with me the first time I'd heard it. Indeed, upon hearing the opening passage of "Lemmings" for the first time, I knew I was going to experience something very special. This was quite different to the first time I'd heard any VdGG, which was World Record. In that case, the music was very different to the music I'd normally enjoy, and it took a few listens for me to appreciate the music. The Quiet Zone/The Pleasure Dome cemented my love for VdGG. I liked that it was so different to the other two albums I'd heard, all three albums having a different sound to each other. "House With No Door" was actually the last track on H To He Who Am The Only One that I come to appreciate, and my appreciation of the track was more about the lyrics than the music. Generally speaking, this is not the type of music to which I gravitate. However, H To He Who Am The Only One did become my second favourite album, but this was on the strength of the other tracks. ------------- No, I know how to behave in the restaurant now, I don't tear at the meat with my hands. If I've become a man of the world somehow, that's not necessarily to say I'm a worldly man. |
Posted By: I prophesy disaster
Date Posted: October 02 2021 at 12:40
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I should remark that I first heard Nursery Cryme not long before the time I first heard Pawn Hearts, which was a long time ago, so this poll is a fair comparison for me. ------------- No, I know how to behave in the restaurant now, I don't tear at the meat with my hands. If I've become a man of the world somehow, that's not necessarily to say I'm a worldly man. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: October 02 2021 at 13:17
Regarding "House With No Door", I tend to really appreciate melancholy rather sentimental ballad type music (Nick Drake's River Man being my no. 1 example) as I'm something of the melancholy sentimental type and the bombast and over-the-topness of much Prog (my Prog credentials really are questionable) can take some adjusting to. "Lemmings" was the track that I had particular difficulty with on Pawn Hearts when I first heard the full album. VdGG's Godbluff is an album that I have to be in the right mood for. At ties I have loved it, and at other times it doesn't connect. I have similar experience with Henry Cow's Western Culture in that there are times it won't connect as well as various other albums. That said, my mood and interests du jour have to fit the music, but I never seem to tire of "A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers". And Silly Puppy expressed how i feel about Nursery Cryme, but was trying to be more diplomatic. I tried again to listen to it recently, and it just bored me. Genesis' pinnacle for me is The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway. ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me. |
Posted By: I prophesy disaster
Date Posted: October 02 2021 at 14:03
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^ Before I was into prog, I was into hard rock/heavy metal, especially Black Sabbath. Although prog represented an expansion of my taste in music, the prog that appeals to me the most still has to in some way appeal to the part of my mind that loves hard rock/heavy metal. ------------- No, I know how to behave in the restaurant now, I don't tear at the meat with my hands. If I've become a man of the world somehow, that's not necessarily to say I'm a worldly man. |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: October 04 2021 at 03:22
Possibly. I don't regard my tastes as particularly 'out there' but it's all relative. To most people I know, early Genesis is 'out there' I actually love VDGG, but think they made better albums - for my taste - than Pawn Hearts. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: I prophesy disaster
Date Posted: October 04 2021 at 04:41
"Lemmings" sets the mood for the entire album. This is a bleak album. If Pawn Hearts was a movie, it would be in black & white. And I love it. It is unlike anything I'd heard before... or since. ------------- No, I know how to behave in the restaurant now, I don't tear at the meat with my hands. If I've become a man of the world somehow, that's not necessarily to say I'm a worldly man. |
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: October 04 2021 at 07:12
Lemmings was/is a breath of fresh air, IMO! Man-Erg rules as well. Then, it's time for the main event (APoLK)! ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: socrates17
Date Posted: October 21 2021 at 10:17
| The sublime vs. the transcendent. I went for the latter (Pawn Hearts). |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: October 21 2021 at 10:27
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Posted By: SuperMetro
Date Posted: October 21 2021 at 15:42
| The Musical Box had such fantastic solos. |
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: October 22 2021 at 01:50
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Pawn Crymes and Nursery Hearts! ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: felonafan
Date Posted: October 22 2021 at 08:12
| voted for the absolute masterpiece - VDGG album |
Posted By: Argo2112
Date Posted: October 22 2021 at 09:00
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Genesis |
Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: October 22 2021 at 09:28
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Surely Pawn Hearts. ------------- Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion. |
Posted By: I prophesy disaster
Date Posted: October 23 2021 at 12:32
I think you might be right. ------------- No, I know how to behave in the restaurant now, I don't tear at the meat with my hands. If I've become a man of the world somehow, that's not necessarily to say I'm a worldly man. |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: October 23 2021 at 14:13
Is that like Suzie Creamcheese? ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |