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Topic: Your favourite 15 Metal albums?
Posted By: David_D
Subject: Your favourite 15 Metal albums?
Date Posted: November 14 2021 at 02:15
Well, I've got this idea for a thread about our favourite Metal albums, and my own list is presented in a unranked but chronological order. 
In my opinion,  this list can be considered as not less than a very little but yet, quite a lot telling document on Metal history, as the bands 
represent several, different sub-genres, and most of them have been very popular and influential. 
About LedZepps, however you might want to classify them, I surely consider them to be a part of Metal history, and not to do without.
Best with only one album for each band and I'll hope you'll enjoy it!
Be sure to see the Metal poll here, as well ( https://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=127779" rel="nofollow - Poll: Your favourite Metal albums? ).

Black Sabbath  (UK) - Master of Reality  (1971)

Budgie  (UK) - Never Turn Your Back on a Friend  (1973)

Judas Priest  (UK) - Sad Wings Of Destiny  (1976)

Diamond Head  (UK) - Lightning To The Nations  (1980)

Mercyful Fate  (DK) - Melissa  (1983)

Black Flag  (US) - My War  (1983)

Iron Maiden  (UK) - Powerslave  (1984)

Fates Warning  (US) - The Spectre Within  (1985)

Metallica  (US) - Master Of Puppets  (1986)

Celtic Frost  (CH) - “Into The Pandemonium”  (1987)

Voivod  (CAN)  -  Nothingface   (1989)

Psychotic Waltz  (US) - Into the Everflow  (1992)

Tool  (US) - Undertow  (1993)

Kyuss  (US) - Sky Valley  (1994)

Aesma Daeva  (USA)  -  The Eros of Frigid Beauty  (2001)

Taal  (F) - Skymind  (2002)

Indukti  (PL) - S.U.S.A.R.  (2004)

Riverside  (PL) - Second Life Syndrome  (2005)


Well, that's now a couple more than 15.



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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 15 2021 at 02:25
In terms of what I think 'Metal' is then I struggle to get far past Iron Maiden. Their 80's albums are virtually unimpeachable for me.

I don't really consider a lot of the bands named to be Metal ( I might be well wrong but were Sabbath ever described at this?). I tend to think it started with the likes of Judas Priest, Saxon and Maiden in the late seventies and then Metallica took it on and made it even more popular. Wiki though does reference Zep, Sabbath and Purple as the pioneers although it does credit Judas Priest with the genre's evolution by discarding the blues influence. 

I do quite like the technical metal stuff of Exivious and Animals As Leaders as well at later Opeth. Mastodon are also a cool band. I also like the Meshuggah album I own.

I could try and put a list together especially if we are counting Deep Purple , Led Zep!



Posted By: Shadowyzard
Date Posted: November 15 2021 at 02:44
Cool!

I don't have a fixed list. But here are some of my absolute favourite metal albums:

1-) Beyond Twilight - For the Love of Art and the Making
2-) Symphony X - V: The New Mythology Suite
3-) Amorphis - Tuonela
4-) Opeth - Morningrise
5-) Dream Theater - Awake
6-) Rhapsody (of Fire) - Symphony of Enchanted Lands
7-) Nocturnal Rites - Shadowland
8-) Keldian - Heaven's Gate
9-) Keldian - Journey of Souls
10-) Keldian - Darkness and Light
11-) Metallica - Master of Puppets
12-) Bruce Dickinson - Accident of Birth
13-) Bruce Dickinson - The Chemical Wedding
14-) Iron Maiden - The Number of the Beast
15-) Nightwish - Oceanborn

Some additional: 

Pain of Salvation - The Perfect Element (part 1)
Cradle of Filth - Cruelty and the Beast
Cradle of Filth - Dusk... And Her Embrace
Dimmu Borgir - Enthrone Darkness Triumphant
Limbonic Art - In Abhorrence Dementia
Royal Hunt - Fear
Obituary - The End Complete
Hemlock - Exordium
Therion - Theli
Therion - Vovin

And so on and so forth

Note: The "additional"s are also in the same level with my listed favourite albums. I can come up with hundreds more, likewisely. 


Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: November 15 2021 at 02:45
Armageddon - Armageddon (1975)
Ayreon - The Human Equation (2004)
Black Sabbath - Tyr (1990)
Blue Oyster Cult - Imaginos (1989)
Christopher Lee - Charlemagne: By the Sword and the Cross (2010)
Delain - April Rain (2009)
Dream Theater - Images and Words (1992)
Girlschool - Hit and Run (1981)
Iron Maiden - The Number of the Beast (1982)
Leaves' Eyes - Vinland Saga (2005)
Led Zeppelin - How the West Was Won (2003)
Motorhead - Ace of Spades (1980)
Nightwish - Oceanborn (1998)
Ozzy Osbourne - The Ultimate Sin (1986)
Ritchie Blackmore's Rainbow - Rainbow Rising (1976)
Tarja Turunen - My Winter Storm (2007)
Within Temptation - The Silent Force (2004)


Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 15 2021 at 04:28
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

In terms of what I think 'Metal' is then I struggle to get far past Iron Maiden. Their 80's albums are virtually unimpeachable for me.

I don't really consider a lot of the bands named to be Metal ( I might be well wrong but were Sabbath ever described at this?). 

"In terms of what I think 'Metal' is then I struggle to get far past Iron Maiden."

To begin with, I must say, I had been thinking very much in the same way - it was only beginning with the 80's, the music sounded to me as true Metal.

"I don't really consider a lot of the bands named to be Metal ( I might be well wrong but were Sabbath ever described at this?)"

Nevertherless, that is very much so according to the sources, I've seen, of which I can mention:
Sound of the Beast. The Complete Headbanging History of Heavy Metal (2003) by Ian Christe
Heavy Metal. The Music and it's Culture (2000) by Deena Weinstein
Mean Deviation. Four Decades of Progressive Heavy Metal (2010) by Jeff Wagner

Edit:
The existence of "Heavy Metal" in the 70's can be easyly seen by the name of the sub-genre NWOBHM (New Wave Of British Heavy Metal) which appeared in the late 70's (and included, say Saxon).
- And today, I can only say, those like Sad Wings of Destiny (1976) and Black Sabbat's Vol. 4 (1972) sound like Metal to me - even only as "early Metal".
So, maybe I'll distinguish (now) between "the early Metal" and "the proper Metal".

P.S. I'm very glad of this discussion, richardh, it clarified further my view on "Metal", thank you.

Edit 2:
richardh wrote:
"Wiki though does reference Zep, Sabbath and Purple as the pioneers although it does credit Judas Priest with the genre's evolution"

As far as I've seen, it's quite widely agreed on today that Black Sabbath is the most important band in inventing the style while, in Jeff Wagner's and Ian Christe's opinion (similar to Wiki), Judas Priest must be seen as the most most important band in founding the genre.
- But concerning the invention of the style, I think, Wiki is very much right in it's point of view.



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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 15 2021 at 04:38
Allright, Paul, I like your mentioning of the years, as it's more informative, and it's interesting to see what you're into in this genre.

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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: November 15 2021 at 06:04
Not sure they all count as metal, but here are a fifteen pretty heavy ones:

Armageddon - Armageddon (1975)
Birth Control - Operation (1971)
Black Sabbath - Paranoid (1970)
Blue Öyster Cult - Cultösaurus Erectus (1980)
Budgie - Squawk (1972)
Captain Beyond - Captain Beyond (1972)
Deep Purple - In Rock (1970)
Green Bullfrog - Green Bullfrog (1971)
High Tide - Sea Shanties (1969)
Judas Priest - Sad Wings of Destiny (1976)
Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin IV (1971)
Lucifer's Friend - Lucifer's Friend (1970)
UFO - Phenomenon (1974)
Uriah Heep - Abominog (1982)
Wishbone Ash - Twin Barrels Burning (1982)


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Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: November 15 2021 at 08:26
The metal categories cast such a wide span. I remember as a kid in the late 60s, early 70s, hearing bands like Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, Blue Öyster Cult, Judas Priest, Nazareth, and AC/DC referred to as "Heavy Metal" bands. Often their music was too aggressive/abrasive to get AM radio play (except for their ballads), but was receiving attention from the newly forming FM stations that were using album music formats.

Other than perhaps giving AC/DC a little more credit, I agree with OP that it seemed as if Iron Maiden was the leader in really escalating this music into an art form with it's own separate following--separating itself from the dreary/depressing goth or decrepit blues-rock bands and music. Then Metallica and the rest is history!

I also would reinforce the idea that the tech/extreme metal and all of their offshoot sub-categories almost deserve a separate consideration/thread. Where does one place albums by bands like Atheist, Enchant, Enslaved, Voivod, Exivious, Death, Cynic, Gorguts, Gojira, and Meshuggah? 



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Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: November 15 2021 at 08:42
Based upon my limited exposure to and limited understanding of "metal," some albums I really enjoy include:

AC/DC Back in Black

Led Zeppelin II

Blue Öyster Cult Secret Treaties

Thin Lizzy Jailbreak

Votum Harvest Moon

Proghma-C Bar-do Travel

Arcane Chronicles of the Waking Dream

Dream Theater Awake

Mastodon Crack the Skye

Negura Bunget Om

Led Zeppelin IV

The Reticent The Oubliette

The Contortionist Clairvoyant

Stare at the Clouds This Clear Divide

Karnivool Asymmetry

Tool Lateralus

Fen Epoch




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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 15 2021 at 09:20
Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

I agree with OP that it seemed as if Iron Maiden was the leader in really escalating this music into an art form with it's own separate following-

I'm glad to hear that point of view because if accepting the distinqtion between "early Metal" and "proper Metal" then where belongs NWOBHM? - And I must say, I'm not much for considering it as "proper Metal" because to me it's not that different from earlier Judas Priest, or some of Black Sabbath and Deep Purple for that sake.


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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 15 2021 at 09:36
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

I agree with OP that it seemed as if Iron Maiden was the leader in really escalating this music into an art form with it's own separate following-

I'm glad to hear that point of view because if accepting the distinction between "early Metal" and "proper Metal" then where belongs NWOBHM? - And I must say, I'm not much for considering it as "proper Metal" because to it's not that different from earlier Judas Priest, or some of Black Sabbath and Deep Purple for that sake.

NWOBHM is not a metal genre, it's exactly what it says in its name, a wave of heavy metal bands , a lot of them influenced by what came before - Purple, Heep, Priest, Budgie, Sabbath and add the likes of punk, Motorhead. 

If hard rock and heavy metal walked hand in hand in the past, with the NWOBHM, heavy metal went ahead and left hard rock behind. Big smile


Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: November 15 2021 at 09:42
Black Sabbath - Sabbath Bloody Sabbath
Deep Purple - Made In Japan (Machine Head)
Led Zeppelin - IV
Rainbow - Rising
Motorhead - Overkill
Budgie - Never Turn Your Back On A Friend
Behold The Arctopus - Hapelectic Overtrove
Diablo Swing Orchestra - Singalong Songs for the Damned & Delirious
Iron Maiden - Seventh Son of a Seventh Son
AC/DC - Powerage
Judas Priest - Sad Wings Of Destiny
Tool - Laterus

Honorable mentions
UFO - Strangers In The Night
Pink Fairies - Kings Of Oblivion
Stolen Babies - There Will Be Squabbles
Slayer - Reign In Blood
Meshuggah - Catch Thirty-Three
Ozzy Osbourne - Diary Of A Madman
MC5 - Kick Out The Jams



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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 15 2021 at 09:44
Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

I also would reinforce the idea that the tech/extreme metal and all of their offshoot sub-categories almost deserve a separate consideration/thread. Where does one place albums by bands like Atheist, Enchant, Enslaved, Voivod, Exivious, Death, Cynic, Gorguts, Gojira, and Meshuggah? 

Well, might agree, as they are not in line with my taste (Melissa being difficult enough), and unfortunately not at all represented in my OP - but there's still very good possibility to mention them here. So, this thread may be a good investigation of that idea. 
Edit:
- Many of those bands are very popular in general, but I don't really know how much on PA.


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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 15 2021 at 09:45
^ nice to see AC/DC's Powerage mentioned, it's my favorite album with Bon on vocals. Tongue


Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: November 15 2021 at 09:47
I think I’d have great difficulty giving you my favourite 15 metal albums from this year, let alone my 15 favourite of all time. 🤪



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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 15 2021 at 09:49
Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

I think I’d have great difficulty giving you my favourite 15 metal albums from this year, let alone my 15 favourite of all time. 🤪


15 albums of 2021 maybe not, but favorite 15 albums in general, I agree, very hard. 


Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: November 15 2021 at 09:50
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

I think I’d have great difficulty giving you my favourite 15 metal albums from this year, let alone my 15 favourite of all time. 🤪


15 albums of 2021 maybe not, but favorite 15 albums in general, I agree, very hard. 

I’ve listened to a lot of great metal albums this year. I’d honestly struggle to whittle it down to a list of fifteen that I could be confident were my absolute favourite 15.



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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 15 2021 at 09:52
Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

I think I’d have great difficulty giving you my favourite 15 metal albums from this year, let alone my 15 favourite of all time. 🤪


15 albums of 2021 maybe not, but favorite 15 albums in general, I agree, very hard. 

I’ve listened to a lot of great metal albums this year. I’d honestly struggle to whittle it down to a list of fifteen that I could be confident were my absolute favourite 15.


I believe you. SmileThumbs Up


Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: November 15 2021 at 09:57
Some may not be metal, but heavy.  

Alice Cooper - Killer
Alice in Chains - Dirt
Ark - Burn the Sun
Dio - Holy Diver
Dream Theater - Images & Words
Fates Warning - Theories of Flight
Freak Kitchen - Cooking with Pagans
Haken - Visions
Iron Maiden - Piece of Mind
Megadeth - Rust in Peace
ni - Les Insurges De Romilly
Pain of Salvation - Remedy Lane
Panzerballett - Planet Z
Riverside - Anno Domini High Definition
Soundgarden - Down on the Upside 

Honorable mentions...
AC/DC - Back in Black
Aerosmith - Get Your Wings
Black Sabbath - Sabbath Bloody Sabbath
Virgil Donati - Ruination
King Crimson - Red
Robin Trower - Bridge of Sighs




Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 15 2021 at 10:16
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

[QUOTE=David_D]
If hard rock and heavy metal walked hand in hand in the past, with the NWOBHM, heavy metal went ahead and left hard rock behind. Big smile

good point!


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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 15 2021 at 11:25
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

NWOBHM is not a metal genre, it's exactly what it says in its name, a wave of heavy metal bands , a lot of them influenced by what came before - Purple, Heep, Priest, Budgie, Sabbath and add the likes of punk, Motorhead. 

I won't call it "genre", either, but it has been used as a label, and yes, it has some specific, stylistic characteristics.
Edit:
Anyway, good point.


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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: November 15 2021 at 12:29
Not taking early heavy rock or heavy prog bands into consideration (Black Sabbath counts though). Because although I acknowledge they are an essential part of metal history, I don’t think of them as metal. Something like this perhaps:

Sadus- Illusions     
Аспид [Aspid] - Кровоизлияние
Slayer - South of Heaven
Carcass - Necroticism: Descanting the Insalubrious
Bolt Thrower - Those Once Loyal
Black Sabbath - Master of Reality
Mercyful Fate - Don't Break the Oath
Vektor - Black Future
Atvm - Famine, Putrid and f**king Endless
Death - Leprosy
Metallica - Master of Puppets
Blood Incantation - Hidden History of the Human Race
Manowar - Hail to England
Sepultura - Beneath the Remains
Morbid Angel - Covenant



Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 15 2021 at 12:31
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

NWOBHM is not a metal genre, it's exactly what it says in its name, a wave of heavy metal bands , a lot of them influenced by what came before - Purple, Heep, Priest, Budgie, Sabbath and add the likes of punk, Motorhead. 

If hard rock and heavy metal walked hand in hand in the past, with the NWOBHM, heavy metal went ahead and left hard rock behind. Big smile

I think, NWOBHM can be said to be a transition phase between "the early Metal" and "the proper Metal".


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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 15 2021 at 12:38
Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Not taking early heavy rock or heavy prog bands into consideration (Black Sabbath counts though). Because although I acknowledge they are an essential part of metal history, I don’t think of them as metal. 

About that, I can tell that Ozzy Osbourne has once said in an interview that Paranoid was ment as a Prog album, and even that interview was done many years after 70's, I think that is very probable.


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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 15 2021 at 13:32
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

NWOBHM is not a metal genre, it's exactly what it says in its name, a wave of heavy metal bands , a lot of them influenced by what came before - Purple, Heep, Priest, Budgie, Sabbath and add the likes of punk, Motorhead. 

If hard rock and heavy metal walked hand in hand in the past, with the NWOBHM, heavy metal went ahead and left hard rock behind. Big smile

I think, NWOBHM can be said to be a transition phase between "the early Metal" and "the proper Metal".

There is no such thing as "proper metal". It's still heavy metal. 


Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: November 15 2021 at 13:44
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

NWOBHM is not a metal genre, it's exactly what it says in its name, a wave of heavy metal bands , a lot of them influenced by what came before - Purple, Heep, Priest, Budgie, Sabbath and add the likes of punk, Motorhead. 

If hard rock and heavy metal walked hand in hand in the past, with the NWOBHM, heavy metal went ahead and left hard rock behind. Big smile

I think, NWOBHM can be said to be a transition phase between "the early Metal" and "the proper Metal".

There is no such thing as "proper metal". It's still heavy metal. 

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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 15 2021 at 13:56
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

There is no such thing as "proper metal". It's still heavy metal. 

Can you explain further what you mean?


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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 15 2021 at 14:07
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

There is no such thing as "proper metal". It's still heavy metal. 

Can you explain further what you mean?

What do you mean by "proper metal", I've never seen it before. 

Early metal was still heavy metal, a first wave of bands if it's easy to point out. NWOBHM was a continuation of that, with new influences, artists trying to come up with something new and it worked. 
It inspired and influenced new genres, such as speed metal, thrash, US Power and in the case of Venom even early black metal or what metalheads call the first wave of black metal (not an expert in that, but I've tried a few bands, read and watched a few things at least to understand what was going on). 
 




Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: November 15 2021 at 14:13
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Not taking early heavy rock or heavy prog bands into consideration (Black Sabbath counts though). Because although I acknowledge they are an essential part of metal history, I don’t think of them as metal. 

About that, I can tell that Ozzy Osbourne has once said in an interview that Paranoid was ment as a Prog album, and even that interview was done many years after 70's, I think that is very probable.
Interesting that it was Paranoid and not Sabbath Bloody Sabbath or Sabotage.



Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 15 2021 at 14:38
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

There is no such thing as "proper metal". It's still heavy metal. 

Can you explain further what you mean?

What do you mean by "proper metal", I've never seen it before. 

Early metal was still heavy metal, a first wave of bands if it's easy to point out. NWOBHM was a continuation of that, with new influences, artists trying to come up with something new and it worked. 
It inspired and influenced new genres, such as speed metal, thrash, US Power and in the case of Venom even early black metal or what metalheads call the first wave of black metal (not an expert in that, but I've tried a few bands, read and watched a few things at least to understand what was going on). 

Okay, I agree that "proper Metal" is a subjective characteristic of the qualitative changes that happend in Metal beginning with the 80's. Further more, witch is not good, it's condescending towards earlier Metal. So, if I want a term to describe those qualitative changes in the 80's, it's better not to be condescending. And I agree, it's just a genre which is changing all the time.
Thank you for your correction.


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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 15 2021 at 14:41
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

There is no such thing as "proper metal". It's still heavy metal. 

Can you explain further what you mean?

What do you mean by "proper metal", I've never seen it before. 

Early metal was still heavy metal, a first wave of bands if it's easy to point out. NWOBHM was a continuation of that, with new influences, artists trying to come up with something new and it worked. 
It inspired and influenced new genres, such as speed metal, thrash, US Power and in the case of Venom even early black metal or what metalheads call the first wave of black metal (not an expert in that, but I've tried a few bands, read and watched a few things at least to understand what was going on). 

Okay, I agree that "proper Metal" is a subjective characteristic of the qualitative changes that happend in Metal beginning with the 80's. Further more, witch is not good, it's condescending towards earlier Metal. So, if I want a term to describe those qualitative changes in the 80's, it's better not to be condescending. And I agree, it's just a genre which is changing all the time.
Thank you for your correction.

Don't take it a s a correction, I did not. Smile I was just answering your question. 


Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 15 2021 at 14:48
Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

 Interesting that it was Paranoid and not Sabbath Bloody Sabbath or Sabotage.

Yes, as Sabbath Bloody Sabbath and Sabotage are maybe by not so few today considered as even the begining of Prog Metal - but the interview was about Paranoid, and I think that in 1973 BS had an image as a Metal band.
About Paranoid, well, the year was 1970, and the Prog genre was just began to form so, what was and what not was Prog, was absolutely not clear. So, in fact, in my opinion, Paranoid viewing from historical  perspective maybe surely can be considered as Prog.


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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 15 2021 at 14:50
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Don't take it a s a correction, I did not. Smile I was just answering your question. 

Well, I do consider it as a correction, and I'm glad of it. Smile


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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: November 16 2021 at 00:45
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

 Interesting that it was Paranoid and not Sabbath Bloody Sabbath or Sabotage.

Yes, as Sabbath Bloody Sabbath and Sabotage are maybe by not so few today considered as even the begining of Prog Metal - but the interview was about Paranoid, and I think that in 1973 BS had an image as a Metal band.
About Paranoid, well, the year was 1970, and the Prog genre was just began to form so, what was and what not was Prog, was absolutely not clear. So, in fact, in my opinion, Paranoid viewing from historical  perspective maybe surely can be considered as Prog.
Ok, I wasn't aware of the specific context. Paranoid was certainly a progressive rock album of sorts in 1970, yes. And so was their debut album, really.


Posted By: essexboyinwales
Date Posted: November 16 2021 at 07:04
If we're sticking to one per band.  INPO.  OTTOMH.  And I haven't got time to find the years...

Ayreon - The Human Equation
Devin Townsend - Empath
Nightwish - Endless Forms Most Beautiful
Suicidal Tendencies - Lights, Camera, Revolution
Metallica - ...And Justice For All
Eluveitie - Ategnatos
Cellar Darling - The Spell
Avantasia - Moonglow
Dream Theater - Images And Words
AC/DC - Highway To Hell
Warrior Soul - Last Decade Dead Century
Ghost - Prequelle
Blue Oyster Cult - Imaginos
Helloween - Keeper Of The Seven Keys Part 2
King's X - Gretchen Goes To Nebraska


Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: November 16 2021 at 12:53

Led Zeppelin  - II 

Black Sabbath - Paranoid 

Deep Purple  - Deep Purple In Rock 

Judas Priest - Sad Wings Of Destiny 

Iron Maiden  - Iron Maiden

Alice Cooper - Killer

Atomic Rooster - In Hearing Of

Uriah Heep - Look At Yourself

Aerosmith - Get Your Wings
King Crimson - Red
Robin Trower - Bridge of Sighs
Rainbow - Rising
Motorhead - Ace Of Spade
AC/DC - Let There Be Rock
Tool - Lateralus
MC5 - Kick Out The Jams
Anvil - Hard & Heavy

i'll probably add more once I stop forgetting about them.




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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 18 2021 at 05:24
Anybody else would like to tell about their favourite Metal?

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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: November 18 2021 at 05:36
Originally posted by essexboyinwales essexboyinwales wrote:

If we're sticking to one per band.  INPO.  OTTOMH.  And I haven't got time to find the years...

Ayreon - The Human Equation
Dream Theater - Images And Words
Blue Oyster Cult - Imaginos

We have a match on three favourite Metal albums. Thumbs Up


Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 18 2021 at 06:51
Thumbs Up

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Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: November 18 2021 at 08:02
Not a huge metal fan so picking 15 won't be doable. However I can pick a few but some of these probably aren't considered metal. Whatever.

Queensryche - Operation Mindcrime
Iron Maiden - The Number of the Beast
Iron Maiden - Powerslave
Alice In Chains - Dirt
Rush - Caress of Steel
Kings X - Dogman (listen to it. it's effin' metal)
Porcupine Tree - Deadwing
Captain Beyond - Captain Beyond



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Posted By: Earl of Mar
Date Posted: November 18 2021 at 08:29
AC/DC if you want blood.
Purple In Rock
Rainbow Rising
Iron Maiden Brave New World.
Black Sabbath Sabbath bloody Sabbath.
Montrose 1st album
UFO strangers in the Night.
Priest Unleashed in the East.
Van Halen 1st album
Led Zep 2 and 4
BOC Secret Treaties
Michael Schenker Group 1st album
Scorpions Lovedrive.
Sammy Hagar Sammy Hagar.


Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: November 18 2021 at 08:53
Originally posted by Earl of Mar Earl of Mar wrote:

AC/DC if you want blood.
Purple In Rock
Rainbow Rising
Iron Maiden Brave New World.
Black Sabbath Sabbath bloody Sabbath.

Montrose 1st album
UFO strangers in the Night.
Priest Unleashed in the East.

Van Halen 1st album
Led Zep 2 and 4
BOC Secret Treaties
Michael Schenker Group 1st album
Scorpions Lovedrive.

Sammy Hagar Sammy Hagar.

What a cracking list! Clap


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Posted By: Cylli Kat (0fficial)
Date Posted: November 18 2021 at 17:03
In no particular order:

King Diamond - Abigail
Dream Theater - Images and Words
Soul Doubt - The Dance of Light and Shade
Symphony X - V: The New Mythology Suite
Redemption - The Fullness of Time
Fates Warning - A Pleasant Shade Of Gray http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=3547" rel="nofollow -
Yngwie Malmsteen - Rising Force
Queensrÿche - Operation: Mindcrime
Rainbow - Rising
Iron Maiden - The Number Of The Beast
Cacophony - Go Off!
Jason Becker - Perpetual Burn
Arch Echo - Arch Echo
Black ⚡abbath - ⚡abbath Bloody ⚡abbath
Pain of Salvation - The Perfect Remedy Lane Element Pt. I  Wink (Okay, I admit it: I cheated there...)




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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 19 2021 at 01:00
I hadn't really considered Rainbow but they were probably an important 'link' band between old and new in the seventies. Its much clearer to me that something like Rising is more heavy metal compared to say In Rock or Led Zep II. Also Thin Lizzy with that twin guitar thing of Gary Moore and Scott Goram was another very important band for the genre. Can only do 12 'proper' metal albums, 3 at the bottom are clearly not but do have a strong metal influence.

Led Zep - II
Deep Purple - In Rock
Rainbow - Rising
Thin Lizzy - Live and Dangerous
Iron Maiden - Powerslave
Opeth - Pale Communion
Mastodon - Crack the Skye
Haken - Vector
Animals As Leaders - S/t
Exivious - Exivious
Katatonia - City Burials
Meshuggah - The Violent Sleep Of Reason
Rush - 2112
Porcupine Tree - Deadwing
Tool - Lateralus





Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 19 2021 at 01:24
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Can only do 12 'proper' metal albums,... 

If you haven't seen it, I've regretted the term "the proper Metal" (after Cristi's critism), as I now find it too subjective and condescending towards the earlier Metal.
Edit:
I think your point about Rainbow and Thin Lizzy is quite interesting.


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Posted By: mathman0806
Date Posted: November 19 2021 at 04:38
How do some you distinguish between heavy metal and hard rock? I really don't have one.

Anyway, 15 off the top of my head (1 album per artist). I am sure I have left off other favorites.

1. Metallica - Master of Puppets
2. Queensryche - Operation: Mindcrime
3. Corrosion of Conformity - Blind
4. Prong - Prove You Wrong
5. Iron Maiden - Number of the Beast
6. Motorhead - Orgasmatron
7. Anthrax - Sound of White Noise
8. AC/DC - Highway to Hell
9. Black Sabbath - Paranoid
10. Tool - Lateralus
11. Cynic - Traced in Air
12. Warrior Soul - God, Drugs and the New Republic
13. Judas Priest - Screaming for Vengeance
14. Megadeth - Countdown to Extinction
15. Dream Theater - Images and Words


Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 20 2021 at 14:56
Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

 Paranoid was certainly a progressive rock album of sorts in 1970, yes. And so was their debut album, really.

One thing more I don't understand in this question: If Look at your Self is considered Prog then why should Paranoid not be?


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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 27 2021 at 03:49
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

 Paranoid was certainly a progressive rock album of sorts in 1970, yes. And so was their debut album, really.

One thing more I don't understand in this question: If Look at your Self is considered Prog then why should Paranoid not be?

don't start with another what's prog and what's not, you'll be killing your own thread. 


Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 27 2021 at 04:00
And have you maybe thought, it would be good to move this thread to the top again? Tongue

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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 27 2021 at 04:02
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

And have you maybe thought, it would be good to move this thread to the top again? Tongue

it goes at the top of the general music page every time someone posts. 

But discussions like what's prog and what's not are thread killers and derail the whole initial conversation. Best be avoided in my humble opinion. 


Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 27 2021 at 04:07
Agree, so even I find these discussions very constructive for Prog at the time being, it has to be in an appropriate quantity.

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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 27 2021 at 04:08
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Agree, so even I find these discussions very constructive for Prog at the time being, it has to be in an appropriate quantity.

Thumbs Up


Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 27 2021 at 04:12
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Agree, so even I find these discussions very constructive for Prog at the time being, it has to be in an appropriate quantity.

Thumbs Up

due to different reasons!


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Posted By: Necrotica
Date Posted: November 27 2021 at 04:14
1. X Japan - Art of Life
2. Opeth - Still Life
3. Dream Theater - Images and Words
4. Gojira - The Way of All Flesh
5. Opeth - My Arms, Your Hearse
6. Tool - Lateralus (if they count as metal)
7. Death - Individual Thought Patterns
8. Death - Symbolic
9. Ulver - Nattens Madrigal
10. Queensryche - Operation: Mindcrime
11. Katatonia - The Fall of Hearts
12. Morbid Angel - Covenant
13. Immolation - Close to a World Below
14. Sadist - Tribe
15. Between the Buried and Me - Colors 


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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 27 2021 at 04:33
Very welcome to you here, Necrotica, a bit late to the party but then, even more welcomed.

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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 27 2021 at 04:50
I've just realized I haven't made a list here yet.  Embarrassed

Black Sabbath - Vol. 4
Iron Maiden - Somewhere in Time
Death Angel - Act III
King Diamond - Abigail
Testament - Practice What You Preach
Kreator - Terrible Certainty
Warlord - And The Cannons Of Destruction Have Begun
Annihilator - Never Neverland
Dio - Last in Line
Judas Priest - Sad Wings of Destiny
Legend - From The Fjords
Lake of Tears - Forever Autumn
Helstar - A Distant Thunder
Solitude Aeturnus - Into The Depths Of Sorrow
Paradise lost - Icon

and many others... Tongue


Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 27 2021 at 05:57
Yes! Christi, I've forgotten all about it, as well!
But then, even more heartly welcome to you with that, as well, and it's very interesting to see some of your favourites! Smile


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Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: November 27 2021 at 05:58
One by each artist, otherwise it would be dominated by Black Sabbath, Riverside, and Dream Theater. 
 Ran with 19...Too difficult to separate the last eight. 

1) Black Sabbath - Paranoid
2) Dream Theater - Six Degrees of Turbulence 
3) Riverside- "Anno Domini High Definition"
4) UneXpecT- "Fables Of The Sleepless Empire"
5) Deep Purple- "Deep Purple In Rock"
6) Diablo Swing Orchestra- "Pacifisticuffs"
7) Tool - "Fear Inoculum"
8) Queensryche - "Operation: Mindcrime"
9) Behold...The Arctopus- "Skullgrid"
10) Ayreon- "The Human Equation"
11) Opeth- "Pale Communion"
12) Pain of Salvation- "The Perfect Element-Part 1"
13)  Katatonia- "Last Fair Deal Gone Down"
14) Sleepytime Gorilla Museum- "Of Natural History"
15)  Judas Priest - "Sad Wings of Destiny"
16) Therion- "Theli"
17) Caligula's Horse- "The Tide, The Thief, & The River's End"
18) Sigh- "Imaginary Sonicscape"
19)Devin Townsend Project- "Deconstruction" 

Would like to see two lists (70's metal, that folks in the1970's called metal, but people now name "hard rock")  Bands like ACDC, Led Zeppelin, and Deep Purple. 
The other list?  Metal that started when Fates Warning, Metallica, and Queensryche hit the ground running. 
I think of Rainbow- Rising as the bridge album between 1970's hard rock metal and early 80's metal and beyond. 










Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 27 2021 at 06:01
^ Therion - Theli - now that's a great, groundbreaking album, shame on me I didn't think about it when i made my list. I listened to it when it came out, still listen to it every once in a while, never got old. 


Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 27 2021 at 06:05
Ookaay, it begins to look like, this thread might have a second part!

Very much welcome to you, as well,  omphaloskepsis   - I must say, your name make me quite curious Question  



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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 27 2021 at 06:08
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

^ Therion - Theli - now that's a great, groundbreaking album, shame on me I didn't think about it when i made my list. I listened to it when it came out, still listen to it every once in a while, never got old. 

You can always add something in "edit" - as you know. Smile


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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 27 2021 at 06:11
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

^ Therion - Theli - now that's a great, groundbreaking album, shame on me I didn't think about it when i made my list. I listened to it when it came out, still listen to it every once in a while, never got old. 

You can always add something in "edit" - as you know. Smile

you said 15 albums, I made a 15 albums list. 

I could make a 15 albums list for every metal subgenre I enjoy. LOL


Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: November 27 2021 at 06:15
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

I could make a 15 albums list for every metal subgenre I enjoy. LOL

I can easy believe in that. Big smile


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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: December 20 2021 at 03:32

Would anybody else tell about own favourite Metal albums?

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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: February 12 2022 at 16:35

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Posted By: essexboyinwales
Date Posted: February 14 2022 at 10:20
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:


<span style="white-space:pre">     </span>refresh


I think we’re all metalled out David😲☺️


Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: February 14 2022 at 10:25
Originally posted by essexboyinwales essexboyinwales wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

<span style="white-space:pre">     </span>refresh

I think we’re all metalled out David😲Smile

Okay, I can imagine that, thanks. Smile 


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Posted By: Hiram
Date Posted: February 15 2022 at 07:27
Keeping in mind that I haven't listened to much metal for a few years, off the top of my head, leaving out most what I consider more hard rock or proto-metal, the list would be something like this:

Shared 1st place:

Black Sabbath - Paranoid
Black Sabbath - Master of Reality

The rest in alphabetical order, one album/band:

Amorphis - Karelian Isthmus 
Autopsy - Mental Funeral
Barathrum - Infernal 
Bathory - Under the Sign of the Black Mark 
Convulse - World Without God 
Darkthrone - A Blaze in the Northern Sky
Death - Human 
Entombed - Left Hand Path
Goatlord - Reflections of the Solstice 
Iron Maiden - Powerslave 
Morbid Angel - Covenant 
Skepticism - Stormcrowfleet 
Unholy - From the Shadows

Please don't ask how I define metal vs hard rock or proto-metal or whatever. I don't know. 


Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: February 15 2022 at 14:07

Good to know what Metal you're most into, HiramSmile


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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: February 15 2022 at 14:37
I'll try and go for 15 non-prog albums:

Black Sabbath: Heaven & Hell
Black Sabbath: Headless Cross
Blind Guardian: A Night At The Opera
Epica: Design Your Universe
Therion: Theli
Therion: Vovin
Dark Moor: Tarot
Judas Priest: Painkiller
Kamelot: The Black Halo
Iron Maiden: Seventh Son
Metallica: Paster Of Muppets
Queensryche: Operation Mindcrime
Within Temptation: The Unforgiving
Nightwish: Wishmaster
Rainbow: Rising (Ok, it's Hard Rock!)

In no particular order, of course...



Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: February 15 2022 at 14:48

nice to see you here with your favourites, Jared

Metallica: Paster Of Muppets  Approve






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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: February 15 2022 at 16:27
I'm more of a classic metal head, nothing obscure.....This is still a tough list to complete. (not in any order)

Iron Maiden~Powerslave
Iron Maiden~Piece Of Mind
Saxon~Power & The Glory
Saxon~Wheels Of Steel
Dio~Holy Diver
Judas Priest~British Steel
Ozzy~No More Tears
UFO~Lights Out
Black Sabbath~s/t 
Black Sabbath~Paranoid
Scorpions~Animal Magnetism
AC/DC~For Those About To Rock..
Accept~Balls To the Wall
Ratt~e/p
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: February 16 2022 at 02:45

very good to see you here as well, Catcher, and your favourites  Hug







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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: February 16 2022 at 03:12
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

I'm more of a classic metal head, nothing obscure.....This is still a tough list to complete. (not in any order)

Iron Maiden~Powerslave
Iron Maiden~Piece Of Mind
Saxon~Power & The Glory
Saxon~Wheels Of Steel
Dio~Holy Diver
Judas Priest~British Steel
Ozzy~No More Tears
UFO~Lights Out
Black Sabbath~s/t 
Black Sabbath~Paranoid
Scorpions~Animal Magnetism
AC/DC~For Those About To Rock..
Accept~Balls To the Wall
Ratt~e/p
Blackmore's Rainbow~Rainbow Rising


great list! Clap
I love all those bands as well, nice to see Saxon in there, a band often overlooked (they have just released a new album). Smile


Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: July 19 2023 at 04:25

Here's something I wrote in another thread but I'd like to quote it in this thread as well:
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

The fact how much the music is based on Blues can't IMO be the central point of Metal definition because if it was, we couldn't 
distinguish between Metal and other very little Blues-based genres. 
As I see it, more central points are heavy, aggressive power-chord based riffs with a lot of distortion, specific rhythms 
and drumming styles.
And these points show very significant difference between early 1970s Black Sabbath and say Led Zeppelin and Deep Purple.

I find all this important to state in order to give Black Sabbath the credit as the main inventor of the Metal style.


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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: July 19 2023 at 05:46

I find also Master of Reality together with Vol. 4 to be the crucial albums, and not Paranoid or debut.


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