A Prog Metal Poll: American vs. European
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Topic: A Prog Metal Poll: American vs. European
Posted By: Shadowyzard
Subject: A Prog Metal Poll: American vs. European
Date Posted: December 12 2021 at 05:30
I included some of the prominent prog metal bands from the USA and Europe. The poll doesn't ask if you prefer American or European prog metal in general. Consider only the bands included here for your preference. I didn't include Opeth, as they are not "metal" or even edgy rock anymore.
Which one is your "bunch"?
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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: December 12 2021 at 05:41
Really close but I'll go with American.
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Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: December 12 2021 at 05:43
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: December 12 2021 at 05:45
with these bands I choose American. I don't listen to Ayreon anymore, so that tipped the scale for the three American bands.
Pain of Salvation and Riverside are both excellent bands. 
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: December 12 2021 at 06:13
I prefer Ayreon to Dream Theater, but I don't know the other four bands in the poll, so I choose Neither.
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Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: December 12 2021 at 07:37
From this list of six, I choose both: I love songs & albums by all six of them!
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Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: December 12 2021 at 07:55
I really only listen to one of the American, and one of the European bands listed, and of those two, Europe is the winner. But if I looked at the question more broadly, the answer would still be European as there is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more European prog metal that floats my boat than American.
Actually, I would go as far as to say there is way more European music, in general, and probably in every genre, that I prefer to the American equivalent. But then, that is possibly because I am assumin by the bands listed, that the OP means North American only. If Central and South America were included, it would give the Americas a boost. Unfortunately, it probably still couldn’t compete with the sheer variety Europe has to offer - simply because there are so many geographic regions within Europe that have such different cultures, traditional musical styles, and instrumentation.
It’s not really a fair contest, from my point of view. But I’m well aware my view may be a minority, as a lot of people will listen to only the bands from Europe and America which are largely homogeneous, and drawing upon the same influences and sounds.
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Posted By: Shadowyzard
Date Posted: December 12 2021 at 08:11
nick_h_nz wrote:
But then, that is possibly because I am assumin by the bands listed, that the OP means North American only. If Central and South America were included, it would give the Americas a boost. |
Actually I meant the bands solely from the USA.
Frankly, calling the people living in the USA "Americans" is ridiculous for me. Not only it is nonsensical, as it is their continent's name, but also subsuming the name "American" annoys the hell out of many people from the other countries of America, such as Brazil and Argentina. As they are also "Americans". I witnessed that. "Hey, we are also Americans!" 
But, the world is full of annoying nonsensicalities. For more than a decade, I tend to give less importance to such "trivial" things. Or should I try to make the world accept that they should be called "the Americo" or "the USA'ians"?
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Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: December 12 2021 at 08:17
^Yeah, I wondered. For me, American means anyone from North, Central or South America. I have never used the term to mean simply residents of the US. A Canadian is as American as a Mexican or Venezuelan. I once had a Canadian query me after describing him as American if I would want to be called Australasian, and was bewildered when I said it wouldn’t bother me at all, because I know I am Australasian. Then again, seeing how many Englishmen don’t like to be called European, it’s not just a Canadian/American thing.
If you meant the US vs Europe, then Europe would almost certainly win hands down with me, every time.
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Posted By: Shadowyzard
Date Posted: December 12 2021 at 08:23
^ How do you call the people from the USA? You are British or English. But if you mean from the UK, there's no UK'ian. As is the case for the people from the USA. I prefer to call the people from the USA "Americans" as I don't know of any other word to address them.
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Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: December 12 2021 at 11:43
I've lived my entire life in the U.S.A. Americans is the term we use for ourselves. Other than derogatory terms, I've never heard of us being referred to by any other term. History of this usage dates back to the British colonies on the eastern part of North America. Before that it did refer to both continents, but I'm not aware of anyone using it in this manner other than here in this thread. I don't believe there is any official term for peoples of both continents, but have heard academics use the phrase "peoples of the Americas," otherwise, North Americans and South Americans for the individual continents.
Not that this matters, but the U.S.A. is the only country on both continents that has America in its name. I know of no other person on these two continents that is having some battle over the usage of the name Americans, though I will admit I may be ignorant of such a thing going on. I know most Canadians would never want to be called Americans, though given the last few years, I would consider it an honor if somebody called me a Canadian.
Inside my country, sometimes we are referred to by the state we live in. In my case, Pennsylvanians. But that isn't common usage where I live. Similar examples are Californians, Texans, Arizonans, Minnesotans, etc.
English is a weird language.
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Posted By: Shadowyzard
Date Posted: December 12 2021 at 12:03
^ I think the name of your country, The United States of America, makes it hard to give you a precise word denoting your nationality. I'm fine with saying "American culture", "American people", "American movies" etc. for the "things" that belong to the United States of America. But another day, I might get mad and call you the USians as an Asian (actually Eurasian).
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: December 12 2021 at 13:05
I'm not the prog metal enthusiast I once was, but as far as I'm concerned, there's Fates Warning, Savatage, early Dream Theater, Threshold with Damian Wilson, and then there's everything else.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: December 12 2021 at 13:07
verslibre wrote:
I'm not the prog metal enthusiast I once was, but as far as I'm concerned, there's Fates Warning, Savatage, early Dream Theater, Threshold with Damian Wilson, and then there's everything else. |
there's also Threshold with Andrew McDermott and Glynn Morgan, which is just as good as the work with Damien, sometimes even better IMO. 
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Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: December 12 2021 at 13:52
Shadowyzard wrote:
^ I think the name of your country, The United States of America, makes it hard to give you a precise word denoting your nationality. I'm fine with saying "American culture", "American people", "American movies" etc. for the "things" that belong to the United States of America. But another day, I might get mad and call you the USians as an Asian (actually Eurasian).
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I get mad at my country all the time. When I do, I usually call them turds or poopheads. Maybe not so helpful in the grand scheme of things, but at the least a form of stress relief.
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Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: December 12 2021 at 13:54
Oh, and I voted for European in this poll. Sorry for the tangent.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: December 12 2021 at 14:01
All I can tell is that I like Fates Warning's The Spectre Within and Riverside's two first albums.
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: December 12 2021 at 14:56
Shadowyzard wrote:
^ How do you call the people from the USA? You are British or English. But if you mean from the UK, there's no UK'ian. As is the case for the people from the USA. I prefer to call the people from the USA "Americans" as I don't know of any other word to address them. |
I'm English first and foremost, British second, and a UK citizen a distant third, and an American to me is a citizen of the United States. 
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Posted By: Duddick
Date Posted: December 12 2021 at 15:51
although I am English it should be noted there are actually other countries in the U.K. such as the one I currently live in which is Wales. The people here would not take kindly to being called English at all…..
I voted neither since I just can’t see the appeal in anything metal related
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Posted By: VianaProghead
Date Posted: December 12 2021 at 16:50
I like all but I think I prefer the European, as a whole.
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Posted By: Mormegil
Date Posted: December 12 2021 at 17:08
Meh, neither.
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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: December 12 2021 at 17:25
Dream Theater bore me to tears, but the other 2 US bands are quite good. Ayreon are OK, but POS are very good and Riverside are simply wonderful. So Europe for me.
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Posted By: Homotopy
Date Posted: December 12 2021 at 19:41
European by world's largest margin.
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: December 12 2021 at 20:55
I don't know. Dream Theater are my favourite, but I don't particularly like Symphony X, and I barely know Fates Warning. On the other hand, I know and like all the other 3.
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: December 12 2021 at 20:59
As for americans, as a mexican I can say it does bother a bit (not too much really, anyway) that american is used for the people of the United States because, well, we are all americans... but I do understand that there is no other way for them to be called. Here in Mexico, since the name in spanish of the country is Estados Unidos de Norte América, or for shorter just Estados Unidos, we can easily call them Estadounidenses, which is what I particularly prefer (of course, there's always the chance to call them gringos, not meaning to offend anyone).
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Posted By: iluvmarillion
Date Posted: December 12 2021 at 22:07
Too close for me to call both artistically and technically.
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Posted By: Shadowyzard
Date Posted: December 13 2021 at 00:10
Duddick wrote:
although I am English it should be noted there are actually other countries in the U.K. such as the one I currently live in which is Wales. The people here would not take kindly to being called English at all…..
I voted neither since I just can’t see the appeal in anything metal related |
Of course. As far as I know, Nick is English and British. Another UK citizen can be Welsh, Scottish, and Irish.
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Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: December 13 2021 at 01:04
Shadowyzard wrote:
Duddick wrote:
although I am English it should be noted there are actually other countries in the U.K. such as the one I currently live in which is Wales. The people here would not take kindly to being called English at all…..
I voted neither since I just can’t see the appeal in anything metal related |
Of course. As far as I know, Nick is English and British. Another UK citizen can be Welsh, Scottish, and Irish. |
Nick is actually a Kiwi, and neither English, nor British. As a pākeha New Zealander, that does of course mean I am of European descent. This is mostly Scottish and Irish, with a smattering of English (mostly Cornish - which, just to throw another spanner in the works, are a people who are technically English, but would think of themselves as Cornish before English, and probably even British before English).
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: December 13 2021 at 01:12
Europe
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Posted By: Shadowyzard
Date Posted: December 13 2021 at 01:27
nick_h_nz wrote:
Shadowyzard wrote:
Duddick wrote:
although I am English it should be noted there are actually other countries in the U.K. such as the one I currently live in which is Wales. The people here would not take kindly to being called English at all…..
I voted neither since I just can’t see the appeal in anything metal related |
Of course. As far as I know, Nick is English and British. Another UK citizen can be Welsh, Scottish, and Irish. |
Nick is actually a Kiwi, and neither English, nor British. As a pākeha New Zealander, that does of course mean I am of European descent. This is mostly Scottish and Irish, with a smattering of English (mostly Cornish - which, just to throw another spanner in the works, are a people who are technically English, but would think of themselves as Cornish before English, and probably even British before English).
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: December 13 2021 at 02:28
European only because Riverside are in there. If Animals As Leaders were included then I would vote USA!
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Posted By: essexboyinwales
Date Posted: December 13 2021 at 05:41
This was very hard. Love both DT and Ayreon. The others I know less well.
In the end I went with Europe because Arjen is just such a lovely guy
Oh, and if someone can recommend me some Fates Warning please....
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: December 13 2021 at 05:50
essexboyinwales wrote:
Oh, and if someone can recommend me some Fates Warning please.... |
start with their albums between 1989-2000. if you like those, explore the rest. I don't know how much metal you listen, but if you do listen, even their early work with John Arch on vocals might please you. It's US Power at its best.
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: December 13 2021 at 10:40
essexboyinwales wrote:
Oh, and if someone can recommend me some Fates Warning please.... |
No Exit (1988) Perfect Symmetry (1989) Parallels (1991) Inside Out (1994) Theories of Flight (2016) Long Day Good Night (2020)
Each album can be heard in its entirety on YT.
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: December 13 2021 at 10:41
Cristi wrote:
verslibre wrote:
I'm not the prog metal enthusiast I once was, but as far as I'm concerned, there's Fates Warning, Savatage, early Dream Theater, Threshold with Damian Wilson, and then there's everything else. |
there's also Threshold with Andrew McDermott and Glynn Morgan, which is just as good as the work with Damien, sometimes even better IMO.  |
I like Psychedelicatessen, but the albums with Mac are more power and less prog. Therefore, I prefer the ones with Damian.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: December 13 2021 at 10:48
verslibre wrote:
Cristi wrote:
verslibre wrote:
I'm not the prog metal enthusiast I once was, but as far as I'm concerned, there's Fates Warning, Savatage, early Dream Theater, Threshold with Damian Wilson, and then there's everything else. |
there's also Threshold with Andrew McDermott and Glynn Morgan, which is just as good as the work with Damien, sometimes even better IMO.  |
I like Psychedelicatessen, but the albums with Mac are more power and less prog. Therefore, I prefer the ones with Damian. |
I disagree here, the albums with Damian after Mac left are a continuation of the sound of Hypothetical and Subsurface. Threshold have got their own sound and they're sticking with it, which in their case, it's fine.
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: December 13 2021 at 12:17
Cristi wrote:
I disagree here, the albums with Damian after Mac left are a continuation of the sound of Hypothetical and Subsurface. Threshold have got their own sound and they're sticking with it, which in their case, it's fine. |
You forgot Dead Reckoning. IMO, they've never topped Extinct Instinct, though I like everything with Damian. I even like "Mission Profile" live (with Damian) better than the studio version. As you were. 
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: December 13 2021 at 12:21
verslibre wrote:
Cristi wrote:
I disagree here, the albums with Damian after Mac left are a continuation of the sound of Hypothetical and Subsurface. Threshold have got their own sound and they're sticking with it, which in their case, it's fine. |
You forgot Dead Reckoning. IMO, they've never topped Extinct Instinct, though I like everything with Damian. I even like "Mission Profile" live (with Damian) better than the studio version. As you were.  |
I did not forget anything.  Just giving examples of albums that define The Threshold sound these days. I also prefer Mac to Damian so I might be biased. No way can Damian sing Mission Profile better than Mac.
As I was...
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Posted By: Argentinfonico
Date Posted: December 13 2021 at 16:45
The six are really good.
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Casablanca (1942)
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: December 13 2021 at 19:39
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: December 14 2021 at 00:47
American, simply for Symphony X (personal fave).
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"I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021
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Posted By: essexboyinwales
Date Posted: December 14 2021 at 06:21
verslibre wrote:
essexboyinwales wrote:
Oh, and if someone can recommend me some Fates Warning please.... |
No Exit (1988) Perfect Symmetry (1989) Parallels (1991) Inside Out (1994) Theories of Flight (2016) Long Day Good Night (2020)
Each album can be heard in its entirety on YT.
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Thanks, and to Cristi, I will probably start on Spotify 
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Posted By: Enchant X
Date Posted: December 14 2021 at 21:05
Its the way I feel about Symphony X and Fates warning that made me vote this way Dream theater are also pretty cool.
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Posted By: b_olariu
Date Posted: December 16 2021 at 00:04
Dream Theater/Symphony X/Fates Warning (American)
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: December 16 2021 at 00:15
I say a mix of both . . .
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: December 16 2021 at 00:17
Atavachron wrote:
I say a mix of both . . .
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we have to choose between the options there in the poll.
Otherwise I'd choose both, there is great progressive metal in both Europe and the US.
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Posted By: Rick1
Date Posted: December 16 2021 at 02:56
'Neither' is at 2nd in this poll...
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: December 16 2021 at 02:58
Rick1 wrote:
'Neither' is at 2nd in this poll... |
considering how unpopular the genre is on the forum these days, I'm not surprised to be honest.
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: December 16 2021 at 14:28
Another vote for neither........I own the first 2 Dream Theater and the first 2 Liquid Tension albums....and that's it from the prog metal arena for me. Haven't played them in ages. I like heavy prog , etc but have never been able to get into the prog metal realm. Just doesn't click for me....not sure why.
------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin
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Posted By: Zeph
Date Posted: December 16 2021 at 14:53
I have listened to most of these, but Riverside stands out since I still listen to them, while the rest doesn’t interest me anymore.
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: December 16 2021 at 15:48
Cristi wrote:
Atavachron wrote:
I say a mix of both . . . |
we have to choose between the options there in the poll. Otherwise I'd choose both, there is great progressive metal in both Europe and the US. |
Hmm... well for the original article it would have to be Britain (not "Europe")-- Sabbath, Priest, Maiden, Angel Witch, Automatic Fine Tuning.
But for contemporary stuff Europe also has some greats: 1980 (France), Spiral Architect (Norway), Opeth (Sweden), CWE (Germany) . . . and the kings, Planet X .
------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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Posted By: Necrotica
Date Posted: December 16 2021 at 17:42
Atavachron wrote:
Cristi wrote:
Atavachron wrote:
I say a mix of both . . . |
we have to choose between the options there in the poll. Otherwise I'd choose both, there is great progressive metal in both Europe and the US. |
Hmm... well for the original article it would have to be Britain (not "Europe")-- Sabbath, Priest, Maiden, Angel Witch, Automatic Fine Tuning.
But for contemporary stuff Europe also has some greats: 1980 (France), Spiral Architect (Norway), Opeth (Sweden), CWE (Germany) . . . and the kings, Planet X .
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Man, I'm so glad that you've been repping Planet X so much lately. Moonbabies is one of my favorite jazz fusion/jazz metal albums out there, and it's also incredibly nostalgic for me. I was around 11 when I first heard it, and it was one of the records that really got me infatuated with both jazz and prog in the first place 
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: December 16 2021 at 18:48
Gotta represent them boys !
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Posted By: Shadowyzard
Date Posted: December 28 2021 at 01:32
Wow, the results are pretty close. "Neither" can still win!
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Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: December 28 2021 at 02:08
Shadowyzard wrote:
Wow, the results are pretty close. "Neither" can still win!  |
If I had voted according to the OP, rather than the title, “neither” would probably have been the most accurate response for me. But I felt it was rather negative, which is why I ignored the bands, and went purely for the American vs. European.
Of course, I also made the assumption that American meant North American (as no bands listed came from any other part of the Americas), only to find in a response to my post that it was even more specific, and meant the US.
In terms of geographical areas, Europe walks all over the US. It’s not even close to a fair competition. But in terms of these bands, well to put it politely, I can definitely understand why there are so many “neither” votes, and the only reason mine isn’t one of them, is that I don’t like to be negative, if I can find a way to be positive.
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Posted By: iluvmarillion
Date Posted: December 29 2021 at 22:44
Cristi wrote:
Rick1 wrote:
'Neither' is at 2nd in this poll... |
considering how unpopular the genre is on the forum these days, I'm not surprised to be honest. |
Well I don't understand what's wrong with the genre? It's good music to my ears (both American and European).
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Posted By: Hugh Manatee
Date Posted: December 29 2021 at 22:58
European for me on the strength of Riverside.
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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: December 30 2021 at 17:13
Shadowyzard wrote:
^ How do you call the people from the USA? You are British or English. But if you mean from the UK, there's no UK'ian. As is the case for the people from the USA. I prefer to call the people from the USA "Americans" as I don't know of any other word to address them. |
When dealing with my British friends, I often refer to myself as a "colonial."
I've offered to apologize to Her Majesty if she would take us back, but it hasn't happened yet.
Whenever I am abroad, it never ceases to amaze me how accurate the term "ugly American" can be.
Another good term for all of us is "Yankee" or "Yank." More times than not, there is a derogatory spin to the word, but I don't mind it. I've been called a "Damn Yankee!" to my face in the southern USA, we all just laughed!
As far as metal, I think European is more creative....it often has a nice classical touch that we Yanks can't really emulate. Happy New Year, all!!
*Charles the Colonial*
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Posted By: Shadowyzard
Date Posted: December 31 2021 at 02:39
cstack3 wrote:
Shadowyzard wrote:
^ How do you call the people from the USA? You are British or English. But if you mean from the UK, there's no UK'ian. As is the case for the people from the USA. I prefer to call the people from the USA "Americans" as I don't know of any other word to address them. |
When dealing with my British friends, I often refer to myself as a "colonial."
I've offered to apologize to Her Majesty if she would take us back, but it hasn't happened yet.
Whenever I am abroad, it never ceases to amaze me how accurate the term "ugly American" can be.
Another good term for all of us is "Yankee" or "Yank." More times than not, there is a derogatory spin to the word, but I don't mind it. I've been called a "Damn Yankee!" to my face in the southern USA, we all just laughed!
As far as metal, I think European is more creative....it often has a nice classical touch that we Yanks can't really emulate. Happy New Year, all!!
*Charles the Colonial*
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Cool post, man.  
Happy new year!
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