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It was not Gary's fault that Van Halen album sucked, when the brothers wrote the music. It would have sucked no matter who sang. And Gary Cherone was given a bad hand. He did what he could under the circumstances. 

The Drama album story told there made me sad (for lack of a better word). Were Yes fans so narrowminded back then?! Or the media of the time?! I get it the tour didn't work, but the album was not successful either which is strange to me. 

Not only is it funny, it also shows how much the music industry was so out of it, because they wanted to make sure they kept their money ... and never thought there was more money to be made. 

The Beatles thing is famous ... no long hairs, and nearly the same thing happened to The Rolling Stones, but when the Beatles busted out of the gate, many folks wanted immediately something else, and the Rolling Stones were ready ... well, I would think that The Kinks were "readier" but their material was not anything new, even though it had a lot of funny moments and stuff. Very English. 

Will the stuck up upper class in England ever learn? Nahhhhh ... they will continue with the nice photos and media crunch of the King and the pair behind him! This way you ignore all the sh*t they leave behind! Reminds me of the film with Helen Mirren about the Queen during the ending credits ... it allows a small doggie to take a pit stop and poop. It says it all, really!

Just ask The (Dixie) Chicks.

Peter Grant never forgave himself for not booking Zeppelin for Woodstock

The Yes thing was down to horrible negative publicity. Drama never had a chance, I only acquired it about 10 years ago and even up to then wasn't prepared to give it a chance. This forum very much educated me and put me right on that!

Everything I've heard about this tour said there were no real problems in the USA. The problems started and ended when the band toured the UK. The American fans were far more accepting of Horn and Downes than the British fans. Funny that the article quoted Rick Wakeman, who of course was not there, but was told about it by Chris Squire much later.

They imply bringing Trevor and Geoff in the band was a mistake in the first place. Maybe I'm wrong... 

I am sure though for some Yes fans to see someone other than Jon singing would be quite a shock (if only they knew what was to come)

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I was thinking that Woodstock helped that "image" a lot ... but it was done with really good film making, and some cinematographers that did a fantastic job showing some bands. It helped make you forget everything else, except the music itself, and the visuals excited, rather than bored you senseless.

Not sure it was "originally" a pretty boy image, but it certainly was a pretty STAGE image that helped a lot of this stuff ... and none of the bands that were in Woodstock, really fit the "Stage Image" side of things ... most of them sold for a year and all went home the rest of the time. A new bunch and ceiling was already on the way instead. Even Jimi was ... hard to explain, but seeing him playing the anthem in front of the garbage, I think he knew what was coming, and Woodstock's bands all went in that direction. 

There would be exceptions ... but no one knows them ... The Incredible String Band continued on and did very well with their music, but sadly not many folks bothered, and that band had serious history behind it when you consider the artistry it had and where Licky came from (The Fool) ... and they never stopped that artistry. RW still is playing and publishing. MH is kinda hidden but you know he's probably playing at a bar with just an unplugged guitar! The rest of the Woodstock bunch became well known, but in reality only Richie Havens continued to the end ... true to his word and song!

I like the Drama album, but why on earth did YES feel the need to re-record the Fly from Here album with Trevor Horn on vocals, when the original version with Benoit David was far better? 

the dude made some 5 or 6 Genesis albums rockumentaries, just as important as this one. He posts on Prog Ears. (I'd never noticed the shipwreck on the album before)

As for Drama, as explained in the film, I was like many: I felt cheated by the line-up  change and not warned sufficiently ahead of time when I saw hem at Toronto's MLG (bad seats didn't help either). I'm not sure I heard any tracks from the Drama album porior to the concert except maybe what played on FM radio.

Though I'd only moderately appreciated the previous two "Hypgnosis albums"  I'd really enjoyed their previous tour at the MLG (the one that eventually produced the Yesshows double live), I was really taken aback at how "monstrous" it (Drama) was back then.

richardh wrote: The Yes thing was down to horrible negative publicity. Drama never had a chance, I only acquired it about 10 years ago and even up to then wasn't prepared to give it a chance. This forum very much educated me and put me right on that!

I was much like you, TBH. Taken aback by the bad Drama tour concert experience, I never gave the album a fair chance (or FTM, Genesis Duke album either).

I only fairly recently acquired Drama via the 69/87 boxset, which allowed me to upgrade the albums that I only had as first-gen CD releases. Cool mini-Lp formats too.

https://rateyourmusic.com/release/comp/yes/the-studio-albums-1969-1987/

So yeah, Drama is a transition album in a metamorphosis from a late-70's spent-force (which I +/- accepted as such)  to an energetic 80's pop force (which I disliked - and stll do). As such it's a album, which is quite an upgrade from the that I'd given it back then.

Now, were the Buggles a good call for the band's future?

Well probably so... Not sure Yes would've survived until today if Horn, Downes & (later) Rabin hadn't been drafted in.

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[/QUOTE]As for Drama, as explained in the film, I was like many: I felt cheated by the line-up  change and not warned sufficiently ahead of time when I saw hem at Toronto's MLG (bad seats didn't help either). I'm not sure I heard any tracks from the Drama album porior to the concert except maybe what played on FM radio.

Though I'd only moderately appreciated the previous two 'Hypgnisis albums"  I'd really enjoyed their previous tour at the MLG (the one that eventually produced the Yesshows double live), I was really taken aback at how "monstrous" it (Drama) was back then.[/QUOTE]

You have to remember, back in "the old days" bands would often hit the road immediately after recording. There was such a hurry to start the tour and get out into the marketplace that many times the album they had just finished recording had not been released yet. The record company would send one song to the radio stations, and that was supposed to interest people in buying concert tickets. From what you've mentioned above, that might be what happened here.

Sometimes this had unintended consequences. When Genesis toured the USA after recording The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway, the album had not been released yet. This meant those in attendance were listening to 90 minutes of music they'd never heard before (not to mention the elaborate stage production) and finding themselves saying, "What the..."