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Topic: 70s Prog In Transition PollPosted By: presdoug
Subject: 70s Prog In Transition Poll
Date Posted: December 09 2023 at 06:54
As we all know, quite a few of the 70s progressive rock acts by the late 1970s watered down their sound and became something quite different from what is considered to be the definitive era of their sound in the early mid 1970s. But what of their transitional period, where the artist had one foot in the past, and one in the future direction? I have listed the transitional albums I know well, and realising that my list is far from complete, have included an "Other" option. And all the artists I have mentioned had records out in the early to middle years of the 1970s. What is your fave "transitional" album?
Mine happens to be "No More Love" by German Symphonic Prog band Wallenstein. I would go so far as to say it is the band's best effort, and is accessible without being trite, and still progressive in my books.
Have a go at it, folks!
Replies: Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: December 09 2023 at 06:59
The answer is Solution with Cordon Bleu being my undiluted favourite.
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: December 09 2023 at 07:03
Posted By: Octopus II
Date Posted: December 09 2023 at 07:06
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: December 09 2023 at 07:23
Genesis just ahead of Gentle Giant.
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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: December 09 2023 at 07:37
Posted By: suitkees
Date Posted: December 09 2023 at 07:51
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Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: December 09 2023 at 08:20
I voted other....not sure what but Renaissance "A Song for all Seasons" comes to mind. One of my very favourite albums, it includes a couple of their most epic tracks along with shorter punchier numbers than what came before
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: December 09 2023 at 08:21
Iguacu is a very nice album.
Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: December 09 2023 at 10:07
Octopus II wrote:
This! One my favorite Giant records.
Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: December 09 2023 at 10:40
Triumvirat. I love Pompeii
Posted By: mellotronwave
Date Posted: December 09 2023 at 17:00
Le Orme
Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: December 09 2023 at 20:45
mellotronwave wrote:
Le Orme
This stands out for me from the list. An absolute classic. Listening to La Mascera Di Cera right now who have taken the baton from Le Orme in many ways.
Great idea for poll Doug!
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: December 09 2023 at 21:21
Grumpyprogfan wrote:
Octopus II wrote:
This! One my favorite Giant records.
This cover design was very modern at the time, and painfully 1970s.
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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: December 10 2023 at 07:30
Cordon Bleu by Solution is absolutely incredible.
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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: December 10 2023 at 07:38
Mellotron Storm wrote:
mellotronwave wrote:
Le Orme
This stands out for me from the list. An absolute classic. Listening to La Mascera Di Cera right now who have taken the baton from Le Orme in many ways.
Great idea for poll Doug!
Hey, thanks, John! Don't think I told you, I no longer live in Ottawa and moved to Callander on Lake Nipissing-part ways to your area. Hope things are well with you.
Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: December 10 2023 at 08:09
presdoug wrote:
Mellotron Storm wrote:
mellotronwave wrote:
Le Orme
This stands out for me from the list. An absolute classic. Listening to La Mascera Di Cera right now who have taken the baton from Le Orme in many ways.
Great idea for poll Doug!
Hey, thanks, John! Don't think I told you, I no longer live in Ottawa and moved to Callander on Lake Nipissing-part ways to your area. Hope things are well with you.
If I'm ever going that far north I'll let you know but I was at Lake Nipissing once for my cousin's wedding back in the 80's.
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"Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: December 10 2023 at 08:43
Le Orme for me. I don't really think of Contrappunti as transitional though. I simply hear another strong and beautiful italian prog album - with amazing drums/percussion (as always, but somehow a little extra amazing this time). Michi Die Rossi could have played with just about anyone, I'm sure. I would have loved to hear him in a purely 1970's jazz fusion-context, but it doesn't seem like he ever did anything of the sort. Not on record.
Posted By: Lumenko
Date Posted: December 10 2023 at 10:30
My "other" vote goes to Babylon. Even though the self-titled debut by this band from Florida was released in 1978—five years before "Script for a Jester's Tear"—it sounds like neo-prog. Even the artwork has an early 80s vibe to it.
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: December 10 2023 at 10:40
Lumenko wrote:
My "other" vote goes to Babylon. Even though the self-titled debut by this band from Florida was released in 1978—five years before "Script for a Jester's Tear"—it sounds like neo-prog. Even the artwork has an early 80s vibe to it.
It sounds like Genesis, which was a great influence on 80s neo-prog. But so were other symphonic prog bands, Pink Floyd, VDGG to name a few.
Posted By: Lumenko
Date Posted: December 10 2023 at 11:02
Cristi wrote:
Lumenko wrote:
My "other" vote goes to Babylon. Even though the self-titled debut by this band from Florida was released in 1978—five years before "Script for a Jester's Tear"—it sounds like neo-prog. Even the artwork has an early 80s vibe to it.
It sounds like Genesis, which was a great influence on 80s neo-prog. But so were other symphonic prog bands, Pink Floyd, VDGG to name a few.
To my ears, Babylon sounds rather like Marillion. And Doroccas sounds more like Fish than Gabriel or Collins. All in all, Babylon's eponymous debut oddly precedes neo-prog, in my opinion.
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: December 10 2023 at 11:10
Lumenko wrote:
Cristi wrote:
Lumenko wrote:
My "other" vote goes to Babylon. Even though the self-titled debut by this band from Florida was released in 1978—five years before "Script for a Jester's Tear"—it sounds like neo-prog. Even the artwork has an early 80s vibe to it.
It sounds like Genesis, which was a great influence on 80s neo-prog. But so were other symphonic prog bands, Pink Floyd, VDGG to name a few.
To my ears, Babylon sounds rather like Marillion. And Doroccas sounds more like Fish than Gabriel or Collins. All in all, Babylon's eponymous debut oddly precedes neo-prog, in my opinion.
Neo-prog was a scene, just like NWOBHM. There were a few bands that came before 1982-83 around Europe that sounded like what would become neo-prog, but they were examples of late symphonic prog worship.
Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: December 10 2023 at 11:18
There's one band though that did this, except in reverse and that is Stern Combo Meissen. Their 1980 album is considered the most prog-like. :D
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: December 10 2023 at 11:39
Saperlipopette! wrote:
Le Orme for me. I don't really think of Contrappunti as transitional though. I simply hear another strong and beautiful italian prog album - with amazing drums/percussion (as always, but somehow a little extra amazing this time). Michi Die Rossi could have played with just about anyone, I'm sure. I would have loved to hear him in a purely 1970's jazz fusion-context, but it doesn't seem like he ever did anything of the sort. Not on record.
Was going to say much the same as your initial two sentences. Wonderful album. And the Progtastic "Maggio" used to be one of my very favourite tracks. Back in the mid 2000s especially I was quite obsessed with Le Orme.
I'd be more likely to call Smogmagica a more transitional album or Storia o leggenda. Contrappunti is the last of the really classic albums for me despite there being later material that I like (such as "Laserium Floyd" off Smogmagica). Le Orme had an excellent run in the first half of the 70s.
Posted By: Lumenko
Date Posted: December 10 2023 at 12:02
Cristi wrote:
Lumenko wrote:
Cristi wrote:
Lumenko wrote:
My "other" vote goes to Babylon. Even though the self-titled debut by this band from Florida was released in 1978—five years before "Script for a Jester's Tear"—it sounds like neo-prog. Even the artwork has an early 80s vibe to it.
It sounds like Genesis, which was a great influence on 80s neo-prog. But so were other symphonic prog bands, Pink Floyd, VDGG to name a few.
To my ears, Babylon sounds rather like Marillion. And Doroccas sounds more like Fish than Gabriel or Collins. All in all, Babylon's eponymous debut oddly precedes neo-prog, in my opinion.
Neo-prog was a scene, just like NWOBHM. There were a few bands that came before 1982-83 around Europe that sounded like what would become neo-prog, but they were examples of late symphonic prog worship.
Actually, the term 'neo-progressive rock' was originally synonymous with the British progressive rock revival. However, the sound of early neo-progressive rock did seem a bit different, more '80s-y and harsher and slappy than early to mid-'70s progressive rock. Synthesisers took over many of the roles previously played by staple keyboards, such as the Hammond organ and Mellotron, and neo-prog bands of the time minimised the folk music influences typical of 1970s progressive rock.
Maybe it's just me, but I can hear all of these qualities on Babylon's 1978 debut album, and on top of that, as I already pointed out, Doroccas sounds like Fish.
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: December 10 2023 at 12:05
Lumenko wrote:
Actually, the term 'neo-progressive rock' was originally synonymous with the British progressive rock revival. However, the sound of early neo-progressive rock did seem a bit different, more '80s-y and harsher and slappy than early to mid-'70s progressive rock. Synthesisers took over many of the roles previously played by staple keyboards, such as the Hammond organ and Mellotron, and neo-prog bands of the time minimised the folk music influences typical of 1970s progressive rock.
True what you say here.
Posted By: Lumenko
Date Posted: December 10 2023 at 12:25
Hrychu wrote:
There's one band though that did this, except in reverse and that is Stern Combo Meissen. Their 1980 album is considered the most prog-like. :D
On their terrific album "Not an Ordinary Life," Yugoslav band Korni Grupa sounded like neo-prog already in 1974—without imitating Genesis—but the OP asked for the late 1970s' albums.
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: December 10 2023 at 12:31
Lumenko wrote:
Hrychu wrote:
There's one band though that did this, except in reverse and that is Stern Combo Meissen. Their 1980 album is considered the most prog-like. :D
On their terrific album "Not an Ordinary Life," Yugoslav band Korni Grupa sounded like neo-prog already in 1974—without imitating Genesis—but the OP asked for the late 1970s' albums.
now you're exaggerating.
Posted By: Lumenko
Date Posted: December 10 2023 at 12:51
Cristi wrote:
Lumenko wrote:
Hrychu wrote:
There's one band though that did this, except in reverse and that is Stern Combo Meissen. Their 1980 album is considered the most prog-like. :D
On their terrific album "Not an Ordinary Life," Yugoslav band Korni Grupa sounded like neo-prog already in 1974—without imitating Genesis—but the OP asked for the late 1970s' albums.
now you're exaggerating.
I don't. You should hear that album By the way, Split Enz, an art rock band from New Zealand, released their debut album in 1975. This record is also categorised by many as neoprog-like stuff from years prior to the actual neo-prog movement.
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: December 10 2023 at 13:01
Lumenko wrote:
Split Enz, an art rock band from New Zealand, released their debut album in 1975. This record is also categorised by many as neoprog-like stuff from years prior to the actual neo-prog movement.
I disagree again. That's just unnecessary reinterpretation. That song only proves neo-prog artists took inspiration from 70s prog bands.
Posted By: Lumenko
Date Posted: December 10 2023 at 13:41
One might categorically classify Shaa Khan's 1977 album "The World Will End on Friday" as neo-prog. It sounded a lot like later neo-prog groups like IQ to these ears, mostly because the singer's tone was a lot like Peter Nicholls of IQ during the slower, more introspective parts. Also, this German band frequently uses majesty melodic guitars. Nevertheless, like the aforementioned Korni Grupa, Shaa Khan has their own sound and is by no means merely a clone of a famous English prog-rock band. Instead, the emphasis is more on harsher rock moments and spacey times reminiscent of their countrymen, Eloy.
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: December 10 2023 at 13:50
Lumenko wrote:
One might categorically classify Shaa Khan's 1977 album "The World Ends on Friday" as neo-prog. It sounded a lot like later neo-prog groups like IQ to these ears, mostly because the singer's tone was a lot like Peter Nicholls of IQ during the slower, more introspective parts. Also, this German band frequently uses majesty melodic guitars. Nevertheless, like the aforementioned Korni Grupa, Shaa Khan has their own sound and is by no means merely a clone of a famous English prog-rock band. Instead, the emphasis is more on harsher rock moments and spacey times reminiscent of their countrymen, Eloy.
In Germany, bands were obviously influenced by the likes of Eloy, Jane, Grobschnitt, Novalis to name a few.
But what came to be called neo-prog started in the early 80s, in the UK and then spread elsewhere.
What you are doing is only unnecessary rewriting of history.
Posted By: Lumenko
Date Posted: December 10 2023 at 14:04
Cristi wrote:
Lumenko wrote:
One might categorically classify Shaa Khan's 1977 album "The World Ends on Friday" as neo-prog. It sounded a lot like later neo-prog groups like IQ to these ears, mostly because the singer's tone was a lot like Peter Nicholls of IQ during the slower, more introspective parts. Also, this German band frequently uses majesty melodic guitars. Nevertheless, like the aforementioned Korni Grupa, Shaa Khan has their own sound and is by no means merely a clone of a famous English prog-rock band. Instead, the emphasis is more on harsher rock moments and spacey times reminiscent of their countrymen, Eloy.
In Germany, bands were obviously influenced by the likes of Eloy, Jane, Grobschnitt, Novalis to name a few.
But what came to be called neo-prog started in the early 80s, in the UK and then spread elsewhere.
What you are doing is only unnecessary rewriting of history.
Shaa Khan's "The World Will End on Friday" is certainly a 'transitional' album that fits the OP request.
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: December 10 2023 at 14:07
Lumenko wrote:
Shaa Khan's "The World Will End on Friday" is certainly a 'transitional' album that fits the OP request.
That is probably true.
Posted By: Lumenko
Date Posted: December 10 2023 at 14:30
Grace's 1979 self-titled debut album was surprisingly good. It's a very 'transitional', beautiful, very Marillion-sounding album, released four years before Marillion released their masterful debut album. But "Grace" didn't get much success back then. Perhaps this album was much ahead of its time. Maybe it should have been released in 1982.
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: December 10 2023 at 20:54
Agruably The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway is as 'transitional' as ATTW3 with the abundance of short form tracks. Wind and Wuthering is then 'further out' bringing in all sorts of ideas before the very clipped sound of the 3 peice version of the band. Genesis are complicated in that respect because then Duke is more a prog album than ATTW3. (IMO)
Voted Genesis anyway!
Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: December 11 2023 at 05:10
Genesis closely followed by Triumvirat. My vocals are like a rolled warehouse before the foam escapes.
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: December 11 2023 at 08:17
Cristi wrote:
Lumenko wrote:
One might categorically classify Shaa Khan's 1977 album "The World Ends on Friday" as neo-prog. It sounded a lot like later neo-prog groups like IQ to these ears, mostly because the singer's tone was a lot like Peter Nicholls of IQ during the slower, more introspective parts. Also, this German band frequently uses majesty melodic guitars. Nevertheless, like the aforementioned Korni Grupa, Shaa Khan has their own sound and is by no means merely a clone of a famous English prog-rock band. Instead, the emphasis is more on harsher rock moments and spacey times reminiscent of their countrymen, Eloy.
In Germany, bands were obviously influenced by the likes of Eloy, Jane, Grobschnitt, Novalis to name a few.
But what came to be called neo-prog started in the early 80s, in the UK and then spread elsewhere.
What you are doing is only unnecessary rewriting of history.
There are a few late-70's & early 80's german bands that made me think of Neo-prog avant-la-lettre.
Anabis, Anyone's Daughter. Iskander and the Canadian band Saga also gave us another type of neo-prog.
TBH, even Novalis and later Holderlin sounded like they were precussors of the Neo-prog sonics.
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Posted By: Lumenko
Date Posted: December 11 2023 at 10:56
Sean Trane wrote:
Cristi wrote:
Lumenko wrote:
One might categorically classify Shaa Khan's 1977 album "The World Ends on Friday" as neo-prog. It sounded a lot like later neo-prog groups like IQ to these ears, mostly because the singer's tone was a lot like Peter Nicholls of IQ during the slower, more introspective parts. Also, this German band frequently uses majesty melodic guitars. Nevertheless, like the aforementioned Korni Grupa, Shaa Khan has their own sound and is by no means merely a clone of a famous English prog-rock band. Instead, the emphasis is more on harsher rock moments and spacey times reminiscent of their countrymen, Eloy.
In Germany, bands were obviously influenced by the likes of Eloy, Jane, Grobschnitt, Novalis to name a few.
But what came to be called neo-prog started in the early 80s, in the UK and then spread elsewhere.
What you are doing is only unnecessary rewriting of history.
There are a few late-70's & early 80's german bands that made me think of Neo-prog avant-la-lettre.
Anabis, Anyone's Daughter. Iskander and the Canadian band Saga also gave us another type of neo-prog.
TBH, even Novalis and later Holderlin sounded like they were precussors of the Neo-prog sonics.
Thank you for pointing out what I was attempting to explain to @Cristi. Certainly, the early to mid-1980s saw the heyday of what would eventually be known as the "neo-prog sound," with British groups such as Marillion, Pendragon, IQ, and Twelfth Night, but there are early examples of groups from the Continent who had that sound before the genuine neo-prog trend in the UK.
Isn't this Belgian band Prelude and their 1979 debut album "Voyage" comparable? "Voyage" combines symphonic synthesiser arrangements and heavy-rock guitar with semi-theatrical lyrics in English and French, hence sounding extremely neo-prog before it was cool in the UK.
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: December 11 2023 at 11:01
Lumenko wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
Cristi wrote:
Lumenko wrote:
One might categorically classify Shaa Khan's 1977 album "The World Ends on Friday" as neo-prog. It sounded a lot like later neo-prog groups like IQ to these ears, mostly because the singer's tone was a lot like Peter Nicholls of IQ during the slower, more introspective parts. Also, this German band frequently uses majesty melodic guitars. Nevertheless, like the aforementioned Korni Grupa, Shaa Khan has their own sound and is by no means merely a clone of a famous English prog-rock band. Instead, the emphasis is more on harsher rock moments and spacey times reminiscent of their countrymen, Eloy.
In Germany, bands were obviously influenced by the likes of Eloy, Jane, Grobschnitt, Novalis to name a few.
But what came to be called neo-prog started in the early 80s, in the UK and then spread elsewhere.
What you are doing is only unnecessary rewriting of history.
There are a few late-70's & early 80's german bands that made me think of Neo-prog avant-la-lettre.
Anabis, Anyone's Daughter. Iskander and the Canadian band Saga also gave us another type of neo-prog.
TBH, even Novalis and later Holderlin sounded like they were precussors of the Neo-prog sonics.
Thank you for pointing out what I was attempting to explain to @Cristi. Certainly, the early to mid-1980s saw the heyday of what would eventually be known as the "neo-prog sound," with British groups such as Marillion, Pendragon, IQ, and Twelfth Night, but there are early examples of groups from the Continent who had that sound before the genuine neo-prog trend in the UK.
Isn't this Belgian band Prelude and their 1979 debut album "Voyage" comparable? "Voyage" combines symphonic synthesiser arrangements and heavy-rock guitar with semi-theatrical lyrics in English and French, hence sounding extremely neo-prog before it was cool in the UK.
I only said we cannot call those bands/albums neo-prog and I explained why, I thought we agreed on that and moved on.
Posted By: Lumenko
Date Posted: December 11 2023 at 11:22
Cristi wrote:
Lumenko wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
Cristi wrote:
Lumenko wrote:
One might categorically classify Shaa Khan's 1977 album "The World Ends on Friday" as neo-prog. It sounded a lot like later neo-prog groups like IQ to these ears, mostly because the singer's tone was a lot like Peter Nicholls of IQ during the slower, more introspective parts. Also, this German band frequently uses majesty melodic guitars. Nevertheless, like the aforementioned Korni Grupa, Shaa Khan has their own sound and is by no means merely a clone of a famous English prog-rock band. Instead, the emphasis is more on harsher rock moments and spacey times reminiscent of their countrymen, Eloy.
In Germany, bands were obviously influenced by the likes of Eloy, Jane, Grobschnitt, Novalis to name a few.
But what came to be called neo-prog started in the early 80s, in the UK and then spread elsewhere.
What you are doing is only unnecessary rewriting of history.
There are a few late-70's & early 80's german bands that made me think of Neo-prog avant-la-lettre.
Anabis, Anyone's Daughter. Iskander and the Canadian band Saga also gave us another type of neo-prog.
TBH, even Novalis and later Holderlin sounded like they were precussors of the Neo-prog sonics.
Thank you for pointing out what I was attempting to explain to @Cristi. Certainly, the early to mid-1980s saw the heyday of what would eventually be known as the "neo-prog sound," with British groups such as Marillion, Pendragon, IQ, and Twelfth Night, but there are early examples of groups from the Continent who had that sound before the genuine neo-prog trend in the UK.
Isn't this Belgian band Prelude and their 1979 debut album "Voyage" comparable? "Voyage" combines symphonic synthesiser arrangements and heavy-rock guitar with semi-theatrical lyrics in English and French, hence sounding extremely neo-prog before it was cool in the UK.
I only said we cannot call those bands/albums neo-prog and I explained why, I thought we agreed on that and moved on.
Well, the aforementioned Belgium band Prelude is in Progarchives' Neo Prog section. Certainly not by coincidence.
And I would also like to mention the album "The Fountain Beyond the Sunrise" by the Austrian band Kyrie Eleison, which is in the PA' Symphonic Prog section probably because it was released in 1976, otherwise it could easily be in the Neo Prog section due to its sound.
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: December 11 2023 at 11:24
Lumenko wrote:
I would also like to mention the album "The Fountain Beyond the Sunrise" by the Austrian band Kyrie Eleison, which is in the PA' Symphonic Prog section probably because it was released in 1976, otherwise it could easily be in the Neo Prog section due to its sound.
That's a Genesis clone, nothing special, listenable though.
Posted By: Lumenko
Date Posted: December 11 2023 at 11:41
Cristi wrote:
Lumenko wrote:
I would also like to mention the album "The Fountain Beyond the Sunrise" by the Austrian band Kyrie Eleison, which is in the PA' Symphonic Prog section probably because it was released in 1976, otherwise it could easily be in the Neo Prog section due to its sound.
That's a Genesis clone,
A straw-man argument. Whether they are Genesis clones or not actually doesn't matter for our little debate. Although Kyrie Eleison's "The Fountain Beyond the Sunrise" is from 1976, its sound is a lot more Neo than classic symphonic rock because Kyrie Eleison is heavier and there are neither folkish elements nor a sea of 'tron.
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: December 11 2023 at 11:46
Lumenko wrote:
Cristi wrote:
Lumenko wrote:
I would also like to mention the album "The Fountain Beyond the Sunrise" by the Austrian band Kyrie Eleison, which is in the PA' Symphonic Prog section probably because it was released in 1976, otherwise it could easily be in the Neo Prog section due to its sound.
That's a Genesis clone,
A straw-man argument. Whether they are Genesis clones or not actually doesn't matter for our little debate. Although Kyrie Eleison's "The Fountain Beyond the Sunrise" is from 1976, its sound is a lot more Neo than classic symphonic rock because Kyrie Eleison is heavier and there are neither folkish elements nor a sea of 'tron.
You sure like to argue.
I have already explained what is the birth of neo-prog, if you disagree, that's fine. Now you seem to argue for the sake of it.
Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: December 11 2023 at 12:38
The Kyrie Eleison album is a mixed bag imo. Even though the keyboard and guitar work is quite nice, the vocalist's technique is passable at best and the drumming leaves a lot to be desired. The fact they had unexpected difficulties with the studio tier 12 track tape machine and were forced to use a consumer level reel to reel to record this album doesn't help.
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Posted By: Olape
Date Posted: December 11 2023 at 12:46
Le Orme over Gentle Giant.
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Posted By: Lumenko
Date Posted: December 11 2023 at 21:53
Cristi wrote:
Lumenko wrote:
Cristi wrote:
Lumenko wrote:
I would also like to mention the album "The Fountain Beyond the Sunrise" by the Austrian band Kyrie Eleison, which is in the PA' Symphonic Prog section probably because it was released in 1976, otherwise it could easily be in the Neo Prog section due to its sound.
That's a Genesis clone,
A straw-man argument. Whether they are Genesis clones or not actually doesn't matter for our little debate. Although Kyrie Eleison's "The Fountain Beyond the Sunrise" is from 1976, its sound is a lot more Neo than classic symphonic rock because Kyrie Eleison is heavier and there are neither folkish elements nor a sea of 'tron.
You sure like to argue.
I have already explained what is the birth of neo-prog, if you disagree, that's fine. Now you seem to argue for the sake of it.
Nah, just discussing. By the way, regarding Genesis, which is frequently mentioned on this thread, I personally believe "Selling England by the Pound" is that 'transitional' Genesis album due to the strong use of synthesisers and its compositions.
For instance, "The Battle of Epping Forest," which portrays lower-class English boys fighting each other, is a synth-driven tune with a great study of harmonic solutions and a lack of 'tron and folkish ingredients, which makes this weird epic very close to the later Neo-Prog subgenre. Also, "The Battle of Epping Forest" is an upbeat, cheerful, theatrical, and dramatic epic in which Peter Gabriel sings in cockney, quite the type of multi-character musical previously heard on "Get 'Em Out by Friday," but on "The Battle..." Tony Banks excels at his synthesiser; his solo on the ARP is ace. Hence, in my opinion, "The Battle of Epping Forest" is the first Neo-Prog-like epic ever.
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: December 11 2023 at 22:10
Neo Prog started in the 80's and evolved from a strong Genesis influence although Yes were not insignificant. Genesis were always more art based and song based than many symphonic prog bands so for bands that wanted to concentrate on songs then they were the best reference point for prog. If there is one album that stands as inspirational for Neo prog it's more likely Trick Of The Tail and the use of 12 string although Suppers Ready is way more influential than Battle Of Epping Forest.IQ were still using that as a reference for epics such as The Province and Harvest Of Souls in the 00's.
Posted By: Lumenko
Date Posted: December 11 2023 at 22:49
richardh wrote:
Neo Prog started in the 80's and evolved from a strong Genesis influence although Yes were not insignificant. Genesis were always more art based and song based than many symphonic prog bands so for bands that wanted to concentrate on songs then they were the best reference point for prog. If there is one album that stands as inspirational for Neo prog it's more likely Trick Of The Tail and the use of 12 string although Suppers Ready is way more influential than Battle Of Epping Forest.IQ were still using that as a reference for epics such as The Province and Harvest Of Souls in the 00's.
As I said before, the term "neo-progressive rock" was synonymous with the British progressive rock revival, originally meaning only the emergence of the new bands that occurred in the middle of the New Wave craze in the early '80s and appealed to a new audience among the kids. The fact that this revival created its own sound and eventually spawned a new subgenre is actually hindsight.
In my humble opinion, "Trick of the Tail" is already a full-blown "Neo-Prog"-sounding album.
Octopus II wrote:
