Fragile is Superestimated?
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Topic: Fragile is Superestimated?
Posted By: ELPmasters
Subject: Fragile is Superestimated?
Date Posted: April 27 2025 at 16:26
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What do you think about this? For me, Fragile is not this album like the people talk so much... Your best moments is Roundabout, South Side of The Sky and Heart of a Sunrise. The double Distance/Fish is better on Yessongs |
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: April 27 2025 at 17:25
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Superestimate verb 1. (rare, nonstandard) Synonym of overestimate. Usage notes -- Mainly an error by non-native speakers, perhaps through confusion with e.g. Spanish sobrestimar. Overrated? Perhaps. I prefer the albums before and after Fragile. Both seem more cohesive. There are jarring songs thrown in just to be inclusive of all band members. Still, a very good album. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: ThyroidGlands
Date Posted: April 27 2025 at 17:38
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Yes (no pun intended) ------------- You don't know nothin' You don't know nothin' about You don't know nothin' You don't know nothin' at all |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: April 27 2025 at 20:27
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TYA and Fragile are both equally great. I probably prefer Fragile by just a tiny bit though. Top five Yes (or my opinion I should say): Relayer Close to the Edge Fragile The Yes Album Going for the One Just behind GFTO is Drama then Tales but all are great. And 90125 is a great pop rock album with prog elements but nothing more and nothing less. It's not on the same level as the others. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 27 2025 at 21:48
| The interesting track for me is South Side Of The Sky which sounds like proto prog metal. Yes developed a harder edge on this album and that stood them in good stead to take over the mantle of the leading prog band ahead of ELP. Rick Wakeman is a massive figure in prog and can never be underestimated although they found the perfect replacement in Patrick Moraz when he left to purse a solo career before returning to the band for the classic GFTO album. TYA to GFTO is arguably the greatest and most important run of prog albums when the genre was riding high. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 28 2025 at 03:35
| ^ they were leaving covers of other artists behind, needed to stand on their own 2 feet. Historical perspective over revisionism ie this or that album could have been better if the band had done this or not done this. Fragile was a success and nowadays we can make our own versions of these albums if there are tracks we don't like. BTW Selling England By The Pound is often considered Genesis finest work despite having a Phil solo track. I think with Fragile some of the solo pieces can act as a small breather or even a bridge/intro into the following track. Cans and Brahms is the only really annoying track for me, would happily have done without that and serves little purpose (but as we know Wakeman was cooking up a brilliant instrumental album of his own at the time and didn't want any of the good stuff to be used here, hence such a weak offering) |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: April 28 2025 at 03:46
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No, I don't think it's overrated. I can think of a couple other Yes albums are overrated, but i don't want to upset anyone.  
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: April 28 2025 at 06:46
I'm a YES fan but it wouldn't offend me if you said Open Your Eyes was overrated. 
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Cristi wrote:Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: April 28 2025 at 08:08
| Fragile is rated just fine imo. None of the solo pieces have bothered me when I've listened to the album in full. |
Posted By: Floydoid
Date Posted: April 28 2025 at 10:39
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For me Fragile works better with a little tinkering to the running order (something I seldom do). I discard the (dare I say disposable) five short solo tracks, and tack on their version of 'America' which was recorded around the same time but issued only on an Atlantic sampler album, until it turned up as a bonus track on more recent CD releases of 'Fragile'. Thus: 1) Roundabout 2) South Side of the Sky 3) Long Distance Runaround 4) Heart of the Sunrise 5) America All of which clocks in at 42 minutes. ------------- "Christ, where would rock & roll be without feedback?" - D. Gimour |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: April 28 2025 at 12:40
Or Talk.  ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: April 28 2025 at 12:47
Open Your Eyes is one of their worst. Talk is their best of the 90s.
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Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: April 28 2025 at 14:33
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For me, I think The Yes Album is more superestimated than Fragile. But then, I've been known to superestimate more than I underestimate and polyestimate. ------------- ---------- i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: April 28 2025 at 14:40
Yes, Talk is super-underestimated at PA with a lowly overall rating of just 3.08. 
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: April 28 2025 at 15:25
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Some albums are overrated, but I don't think Fragile is one of them. ------------- 
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