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Topic: Where's Psychedelic Paul ?Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Subject: Where's Psychedelic Paul ?
Date Posted: June 12 2025 at 07:30
Paul, if you're out there, what's going on?
It's not the same without you.
Replies: Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: June 12 2025 at 08:42
Grumpyprogfan wrote:
Paul, if you're out there, what's going on?
It's not the same without you.
Don't worry, I'm fine. I'm still waiting patiently for Logan to reactivate the WYSIWYG post editor - which will hopefully be sooner rather than later - then I can get back to doing some serious bloggin' and pollin' again. In the meantime, here's a nice song from Diana Ross.
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 12 2025 at 09:47
See here, Paul: https://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=132330&PID=6188484#6188484" rel="nofollow - CLICK I tested it the other day when M@X was on and there is no improvement. I'm leaving this in his hands. Others can try to contact him if they like and ask about it.
------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: June 12 2025 at 10:22
^So, Paul must contact M@x directly about this?
Posted By: Floydoid
Date Posted: June 12 2025 at 10:32
I thought it had been a bit quiet round here just lately.
------------- "Christ, where would rock & roll be without feedback?" - D. Gimour
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 12 2025 at 10:39
Grumpyprogfan wrote:
^So, Paul must contact M@x directly about this?
That's up to to him or any others. I don't see harm in trying. Just don't wait on me. I have tried to contact M@X (as you might have read from the thread I linked to), and I have put plenty of time into this, and a couple of others have talked about contacting him who have his ear more than I. At least one has spoken to him about it directly. I have tested it various times with no improvement. I'm just saying that I now wish to leave this in M@X's (the one who owns and manages this site) hands. I've done what I feel I can, and is reasonable, under the circumstances. The problem has not got better, and there is only so much I can do for this site I volunteer for. I am confident that keeping it enabled would cause more problems than its worth unless the issue is fixed. While Paul has had problems using it without the editor, the other comments I have had have been positive about having disabled the editor. I think one might have to adapt if deciding to continue to use this site. And it might get fixed with or without my involvement (I think I know the issue, but my involvement in those things is limited). I'm not a site developer. So yeah, M@X is the best one to try to contact about such stuff (I have only spoken with him a few times in my years here -- we really don't know each other).
------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: June 12 2025 at 11:14
The whole posting on PA has been an ongoing issue for many years, for whatever reasons. It keeps me from engaging more, but that's fine, it is what it is.
There are other sites that can help me waste my time on the interwebs....LOL
For example news of Brian Wilson already has 44 pages at Hoffman site. Cra-cra!
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: June 12 2025 at 11:41
Logan wrote:
See here, Paul: https://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=132330&PID=6188484#6188484" rel="nofollow - CLICK I tested it the other day when M@X was on and there is no improvement. I'm leaving this in his hands. Others can try to contact him if they like and ask about it.
It's even gotten worse lately, actually.
At work, we have migrated to Windows 11 (and Welcome) last week, and the web browser refuse access to PA because of digital safety issues.
at home, nothing has changed between last week and this one
------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 12 2025 at 11:42
^ yep, well I do think M@X has been trying to fix various things. The forum software might need very significant updating. The forum should be the easiest part of this site to fix. By the way, I hope backups are being made constantly, especially of the database, and that multiple people have access to those backups. And that if this site should do down completely, the data can be migrated to a new one. I do fear it will all just be gone one day, which would be a travesty considering the huge amount of work that has gone into this site by so many.
^^ I often do find it a struggle to have conversations and chat (actual back-and-forth communication) here, and joking around with people is tough. I wish this forum was more active. I do care very much about this forum and wish it could be a very active, warm, friendly and welcoming environment for diverse people. I love to chat music with people and riff.
At the forum I belonged to before joining PA which had members from around the world, we tried to set some times where most of the members would be online so we could all chat together. It felt like a party, but with no mess to clear up afterwards. I had an actual party at my house the other day -- that was fun, had been a while, but that was a lot of work.
P.S. TBH, I would like to find a more active general forum (not like Reddit), and one where more people are into the kinds of music I am into and the people are warm, welcoming, humorous ideally, and hopefully people are passionate about music. I do think I will finally build my own (and at least me, myself and I will have some fun conversations).
------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: June 12 2025 at 12:06
Have you tried Progressive Ears? I know loads of people here Sl*g it off but I've loved it for years.
------------- Ian
Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 12 2025 at 12:15
^ I posted there a bit many years ago, but I didn't feel welcomed at the time. I was warmly welcomed here and felt wanted. Sometimes it's the luck of the draw with who or if anyone responds (and first impressions and all that).
I do visit there now and then to read what's going on but I hardly ever see any discussions going on that makes me want to join in. And to be honest, some of the members there kind of make me nervous. Just not sure it looks like a fun community to chat about music and other stuff with, and I'm not too keen on the format. Although I don't quite see it fitting his style (not that one can't try other styles), I wonder if Paul has tried there.
By the way, I know it can take time to adapt to and acclimate to a new site (not up to the site to adapt to you) and one should not judge hastily. Gotta spend time there in the discussions and getting to know the people and how best to interact with them. At the time the people I dealt with seemed cold and just too matter-of-fact, I guess. I didn't get the "personal" touch, playfulness, or warm hands that I like from other massage parlours.... Oh, I think my mind wandered.
------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: June 12 2025 at 13:04
I've never done Reddit.....Seems weird. And I remember trying out Prog Ears but was not interesting as well.
I know most here have no fondness of Steve Hoffman Forums, but that place is extremely active! In the Music Corner is all threads about everything music. Within that there are many many threads on Prog and even band focused....Its all genres so you have to find the Prog ones and stick to a couple to follow.
I know a few past PA'ers that went there, most recently JD (Canada). He is active there now. I've been there for years and its my hang out place now.
No slam on current PA members but over the past 10-12yrs many have left that engaged more with those kinds of music threads......Oh well
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: June 12 2025 at 13:13
Ohh and Hoffman forum is the king of Beatles threads, if you all wanna get in to those.
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: June 12 2025 at 13:38
^^^ No, I've never visited Progressive Ears or any other prog websites. ProgArchives is the only one for me. I've just been catching up with listening to my neglected CD collection while I've been away from here, which sadly doesn't include any albums by the George Baker Selection.
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: June 12 2025 at 13:51
Catcher10 wrote:
I've never done Reddit.....Seems weird. And I remember trying out Prog Ears but was not interesting as well.
I know most here have no fondness of Steve Hoffman Forums, but that place is extremely active! In the Music Corner is all threads about everything music. Within that there are many many threads on Prog and even band focused....Its all genres so you have to find the Prog ones and stick to a couple to follow.
My brother had issues with Reddit (like people ganging up on someone that has unpopular opinions), but I've never even looked at it. He ended up getting a few undeserved bans (says he) and he stopped going there.
As for Hoffman, some of those guys are geeks, nerds & dorks of all walks of music.
------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 12 2025 at 14:15
^ Reddit can be great for info, it can depend on who is moderating/hosting what subreddit. I don't post there but I often use it as a reference (I google search reddit) and have found many fantastic recommendations through the forums there.
^^ That's good, Paul. Posts would look like a total unreadable mess with the WYSISWYG editor enabled for people. I don't know if or when it might be fixed. This site has a lot of issues, and I just hope the site continues (although improvements would be desired, and some changes are needed for it to continue methinks).
By the way I wonder if it might help making long playlists to ease having to add lots of hyperlinks. Although if you copy-paste the code it is quite easy. And especially with so many full albums being legally available, it can help. And of course there are ways to copy in stars. And we tend to be pretty okay with that with full albums (has become so common). If youtube has a problem, they can deal with that. And composing in a word processor program can help. I post in the little text boxes and so it often comes out like a mess. I use Word for work, and I don't want anything I do for PA to feel like work even if I could do things better and more efficiently by composing elsewhere. Just thinking out loud.
Where there's a Will, there's a way, as the saying goes.
Catcher10 wrote:
Ohh and Hoffman forum is the king of Beatles threads, if you all wanna get in to those.
While this forum is way too slow, The Hoffman forums have another issue for me, the topics go on so long. I'm someone who likes to read topics from the start sequentially and I tend to avoid the really long topics at PA. I do look at the What Are You Listening to one now and then, and when it came to the What Are you Easing or Drinking one, my young kids and I had a game on what Wan With Hat would mention next. Will it be Coffee, Tea?, Banana?
To me the ideal would be about 20, 30, 40 or 50 active friendly and conversational members who, ideally (not all need to of course), love, say, Sufjan Stevens, Fishmans, The Necks, Boards of Canada, Portishead, Weyes Blood, Swans, Godspeed You! Black Emperor, Beach House (to mention a few acts that I have been very into in recent times). Or classics like Magma, Art Zoyd, Can, Popol Vuh and VdGG etc. I can dream, some dream of theaters, I dream of tangerines.
I love to talk about the music I am passionate about, and maybe the Steve Hoffman community is diverse enough to talk music I love with various people. I am lucky at PA that there are few members here who are into the stuff I love, so I should not complain about this forum. And I'm happy to have people like you who I just enjoy being at the forum with (I like your humour and attitudes).
But still, back-and-forth chat/ conversation, and riffin and rappin', can be a real challenge at a slow forum like this (not that I always want that, and I tend to be multi-tasking at the forum).
With Reddit of course one can find or make most any niche community you like, but I like seeing and discussing more diverse things with a more diverse audience (and don't want to fall too much into my own little bubbles).
I do wish PA's forum was more "discussion" focused. It seems like there is very little actual conversation here commonly (very list and poll focused, and I do like making lists and polls). It is common for someone to post a topic and people respond, but it commonly does not feel like people actually talking together, exploring ideas together, or joking around together, and you get a lot of super terse comments. I tend two write too long which can be seen as worse than writing really short comments -- I have a disorderly brain, as my wife says, get to the point. One can be like a fork with multiple points, now where was I?
------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: June 12 2025 at 15:14
^ Well I hear ya about the long threads.....I can't do much of that, as I tend to come and go with them. Unfortunately on Hoffman if you leave for a day there's like 20-30 pages sometimes that you have to catch up on LOL. Here, its more like a month and maybe there are 2 new posts LOL.
I would look at Hoffman as I have seen posts on obscure bands like you like, and I really bet if you started one it would be well attended.
Sure there are doofusses, hairballs, nincompoops, douchebags galore on Hoffman but that's because the online numbers are huge...Like right now there are 3,000 members online there, bound to be a few bad apples.
I would try it, you might like it...
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: June 12 2025 at 15:23
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 12 2025 at 16:16
^ Thanks for the links. I have visited there a bit and will give posting there a whirl before long.
------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: June 12 2025 at 16:45
Logan wrote:
^ Thanks for the links. I have visited there a bit and will give posting there a whirl before long.
You're gonna hate it!!
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 12 2025 at 16:55
^ Seriously, I'm adaptable and would get used to it.
------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: June 12 2025 at 17:50
Where is Psychedelic Paul?
I just assumed he was off giving 3-star reviews to albums he's never actually listened to.
------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology...
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: June 12 2025 at 19:29
The Dark Elf wrote:
Where is Psychedelic Paul?
I just assumed he was off giving 3-star reviews to albums he's never actually listened to.
Ok that's kinda funny.....
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Posted By: Argos
Date Posted: June 13 2025 at 16:46
The Dark Elf wrote:
Where is Psychedelic Paul?
I just assumed he was off giving 3-star reviews to albums he's never actually listened to.
Last I heard, he was halfway through a 2,000-word essay on why a B-side from 1971 deserves to be in the Rock Hall. He’ll emerge when the stars align or someone says “underrated gem” three times in a mirror.
------------- "All the iron turned to rust; All the proud men turned to dust And so all things, time will mend So this song will end"
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: June 13 2025 at 22:36
I've not noticed any issues recently and can even use the hyperlink feature properly which I couldn't do before (seems to be an upgrade?). Always found progressive ears a bit dull tbh and at the end of the day doesn't have the fabulous database of PA. Hardly a day goes by that I don't check the top album list of 2025 for my next listening pleasure.
Posted By: wiz_d_kidd
Date Posted: June 14 2025 at 06:38
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
Don't worry, I'm fine. I'm still waiting patiently for Logan to reactivate the WYSIWYG post editor - which will hopefully be sooner rather than later - then I can get back to doing some serious bloggin' and pollin' again. In the meantime, here's a nice song from Diana Ross.
Have you tried a tool like this? It converts WYSIWYG to BB code (which I think is what PA forums accepts).
https://www.ecardmax.com/hoteditor/
------------- "Instrumental music is an expression that words can never capture." -- Peter Baumann
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: June 14 2025 at 07:22
wiz_d_kidd wrote:
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
Don't worry, I'm fine. I'm still waiting patiently for Logan to reactivate the WYSIWYG post editor - which will hopefully be sooner rather than later - then I can get back to doing some serious bloggin' and pollin' again. In the meantime, here's a nice song from Diana Ross.
Have you tried a tool like this? It converts WYSIWYG to BB code (which I think is what PA forums accepts).
https://www.ecardmax.com/hoteditor/
No, I'm not very tech savvy, despite wearing similar glasses to Brains at school
Posted By: Valdez
Date Posted: June 14 2025 at 08:05
I thought YouTube may have hired him as a Marketing agent.
Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: June 15 2025 at 04:56
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
wiz_d_kidd wrote:
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
Don't worry, I'm fine. I'm still waiting patiently for Logan to reactivate the WYSIWYG post editor - which will hopefully be sooner rather than later - then I can get back to doing some serious bloggin' and pollin' again. In the meantime, here's a nice song from Diana Ross.
Have you tried a tool like this? It converts WYSIWYG to BB code (which I think is what PA forums accepts).
https://www.ecardmax.com/hoteditor/
No, I'm not very tech savvy, despite wearing similar glasses to Brains at school
I, too, have found the new filters quite disappointing as I can no longer manipulate fonts with bolds, sizes, colors, italics, etc. It has, I have to admit, diminished quite drastically my willingness to post anything other than reviews (which may be considered a good thing from many of your perspectives).
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 15 2025 at 05:54
The full reply editor works well enough for such things, I think (see the arrow for the message box).
I have been manually tagging my posts for years. I wrote this in a topic about the unwanted script coming up in posts https://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=132330" rel="nofollow - See here ...
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Here is some of the BB code. Remove spaces from tags to make it work, and by quoting this post you can see the code for where I used it:
[ b] Bolded sample text [ /b] to Bolded sample text [ i] Italicised sample text [ /i] to Italicised sample text [ u] Underlined text [ /u] to Underlined text
[color = red] Red text [ /color] to Red Text [color = green] Green text [ /color] to Green text [color= blue] Blue text [ /color] to Blue text [color = orange] Orange text [/ color] to Orange Text
[size = 1] Small text [ /size] to Small text [size = 3] Medium text [ /size] to Medium text
To combine various codes:
[ b] [ i] [ u] [color = red] [size = 1]This combines BB codes but is broken by spaces [ /b] [ /i] [ /u] [ / color] [ /size] to This combines BB codes and is unbroken
EDIT: and for images, youtube embeds, hyperlinks and hypertext links.
[ img]https://recordsale.de/570/570/spinal-tap-break-like-the-wind.jpg [/img] to
And [url ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsOxgwF9LlM [/ url] to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsOxgwF9LlM" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsOxgwF9LlM
[url= https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsOxgwF9LlM]the darning of the sock[ /url] to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsOxgwF9LlM" rel="nofollow - the darning of the sock
[ tube]RsOxgwF9LlM [ /tube] to
Note: as some have issues with embedding youtube videos, you just use the unique ID identifier (letters/numbers combination) after v=
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For me, I find it easier to read through threads where we don't have various colourful posts with different fonts and different sized fonts, and don't find that aesthetically pleasing. I can find that gaudy and glaring. I much prefer things like colour coding, bold, italics etc. it when it is used sparingly. I don't know what the advantage is to you to do so. For reading back on your posts? Maybe try typing one's posts elsewhere, like in something like Word, and then paste it in.
------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: June 15 2025 at 10:24
^ i love that album~! Been hearing new Spinal Tap flick is coming but will it have an equally fun soundtrack? Probably not but can always hope
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: June 15 2025 at 11:12
I saw Tap live on their American tour around '92 or so. Talk about a fun night out with the boys.
That said, I wish they would have left the franchise be. At their age, it's gonna be as painful as watching Keith Richards, Angus Young, and Brian Johnson perform.
------------- https://www.youtube.com/shorts/sQD8uhpWXCw" rel="nofollow - It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood...Road Rage Edition
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: June 15 2025 at 11:19
Logan wrote:
^ Seriously, I'm adaptable and would get used to it.
Did you mention somewhere recently that we can now post full embedded albums on PA's forums?
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: June 15 2025 at 11:28
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
Logan wrote:
^ Seriously, I'm adaptable and would get used to it.
Did you mention somewhere recently that we can now post full embedded albums on PA's forums?
Embedding YT videos is easy enough....
but embedding Bandcamp albums is qute a bot more complex, and I'd really like to see that simplified, because it's important for newer bands/artistes.
Rick/Baku/Valdez knows how to do it, so if he could explain it again (please, of course)
Maybe we should retitle this thread so it fits better the content....
.
------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: June 15 2025 at 11:43
^ There was never a technical problem with embedding full YouTube albums in PA's forums. It was just a question of whether or not we're now allowed to post full albums in the forums when we weren't allowed before.
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 15 2025 at 11:43
^ Or just use the other thread I linked to earlier for now: https://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=132330" rel="nofollow - https://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=132330 Adding bandcamp vids is easy is one knows how. At one time I might write a specific topic on using those features. I'll post in that other topic for now.
I'll bump that. General note: By the way, discussion about the editor has gone on in several places, so if my consider trying to contact M@X seemed glib, it's something I've discussed a lot and sent him two PMs myself. Others are better at contacting him than me, and M@X had no part to play in my position. We're almost complete strangers.
^^ Yep, I mean if it's an official source it particularly should not be an issue. I would suggest not going "wild" with it (use some discretion).
^^ & ^^^ I saw Spinal Tap live in 1992. Loved that. And think Break Like the Wind is great album. I bought it in 1992, and re-listened to it not long ago and enjoy it more than ever.
------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: June 15 2025 at 11:46
^ Okay, thanks.
Posted By: Argos
Date Posted: June 16 2025 at 00:17
So basically we’ve gone from “piracy bad” to “piracy maybe okay if it’s in a YouTube wrapper”?
------------- "All the iron turned to rust; All the proud men turned to dust And so all things, time will mend So this song will end"
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 16 2025 at 00:45
Argos wrote:
So basically we’ve gone from “piracy bad” to “piracy maybe okay if it’s in a YouTube wrapper”?
I don't believe that and have not said that. It's not piracy when its official, and the uploader can allow embedding or not. It is common for artists and labels to provide their music on sites such as bandcamp and youtube. Like it or not, legal streaming is now common.
------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: June 16 2025 at 01:25
Logan wrote:
Argos wrote:
So basically we’ve gone from “piracy bad” to “piracy maybe okay if it’s in a YouTube wrapper”?
I don't believe that and have not said that. It's not piracy when its official, and the uploader can allow embedding or not. It is common for artists and labels to provide their music on sites such as bandcamp and youtube. Like it or not, legal streaming is now common.
I bought the vast majority of my CD albums after hearing them first on YouTube. Before going online in 2010, I bought maybe one CD a month. Now though, I buy the equivalent of one CD a day.
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: June 16 2025 at 06:10
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
... Before going online in 2010, I bought maybe one CD a month. Now though, I buy the equivalent of one CD a day.
Hi,
Let me tell you that if you have to move when you are 74, you will regret having all those CD's ... it was ONLY 14 more boxes for me (12x12x12) ... and while not as heavy as the music, the amount of time was a problem ... and I have to put the CD racks back together ... could not move them otherwise.
I'm likely going to make sure I have as many CD's as possible as MP3's (for example) so I can fit them on my backup external drive, for example.
I had the bad thought that while you were gone, the Sunshine or Purple Haze was too good, and you had to stop for a couple of days ... I have to tell you that way back when I had to stop for a day or two just to catch up!
------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: June 16 2025 at 10:45
^ I had to move when I was 58, but I "only" had 2,000 CD's back then. It was moving my books where some heavy lifting was needed, when a fork lift truck would have come in handy.
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: June 17 2025 at 01:15
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
Logan wrote:
Argos wrote:
So basically we’ve gone from “piracy bad” to “piracy maybe okay if it’s in a YouTube wrapper”?
I don't believe that and have not said that. It's not piracy when its official, and the uploader can allow embedding or not. It is common for artists and labels to provide their music on sites such as bandcamp and youtube. Like it or not, legal streaming is now common.
I bought the vast majority of my CD albums after hearing them first on YouTube. Before going online in 2010, I bought maybe one CD a month. Now though, I buy the equivalent of one CD a day.
Interesting . I find that I buy a lot less now that I can properly vet albums before buying. With favourite bands I don't need to but so many albums just don't really stand up after 5 listens. Reviews and ratings can be very misleading as well. Ultimately streaming is a great tool for getting you where you need to be. I regret buying about 50% of my CD collection and that probably equates to about 1500 CD's and an associated cost of maybe £10,000 to £15,000
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: June 17 2025 at 01:23
richardh wrote:
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
Logan wrote:
Argos wrote:
So basically we’ve gone from “piracy bad” to “piracy maybe okay if it’s in a YouTube wrapper”?
I don't believe that and have not said that. It's not piracy when its official, and the uploader can allow embedding or not. It is common for artists and labels to provide their music on sites such as bandcamp and youtube. Like it or not, legal streaming is now common.
I bought the vast majority of my CD albums after hearing them first on YouTube. Before going online in 2010, I bought maybe one CD a month. Now though, I buy the equivalent of one CD a day.
Interesting . I find that I buy a lot less now that I can properly vet albums before buying. With favourite bands I don't need to but so many albums just don't really stand up after 5 listens. Reviews and ratings can be very misleading as well. Ultimately streaming is a great tool for getting you where you need to be. I regret buying about 50% of my CD collection and that probably equates to about 1500 CD's and an associated cost of maybe £10,000 to £15,000
I can only think of one CD in recent times that I've regretted buying and that was James Last Plays ABBA.
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: June 17 2025 at 14:55
richardh wrote:
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
Logan wrote:
Argos wrote:
So basically we’ve gone from “piracy bad” to “piracy maybe okay if it’s in a YouTube wrapper”?
I don't believe that and have not said that. It's not piracy when its official, and the uploader can allow embedding or not. It is common for artists and labels to provide their music on sites such as bandcamp and youtube. Like it or not, legal streaming is now common.
I bought the vast majority of my CD albums after hearing them first on YouTube. Before going online in 2010, I bought maybe one CD a month. Now though, I buy the equivalent of one CD a day.
Interesting . I find that I buy a lot less now that I can properly vet albums before buying. With favourite bands I don't need to but so many albums just don't really stand up after 5 listens. Reviews and ratings can be very misleading as well. Ultimately streaming is a great tool for getting you where you need to be. I regret buying about 50% of my CD collection and that probably equates to about 1500 CD's and an associated cost of maybe £10,000 to £15,000
Holy krapp!!! Hopefully they've held at least 50% value, I only buy used CDs for 2-3 bucks. I have not bought a new CD in probably 20 years.
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: June 17 2025 at 15:58
Catcher10 wrote:
richardh wrote:
Interesting . I find that I buy a lot less now that I can properly vet albums before buying. With favourite bands I don't need to but so many albums just don't really stand up after 5 listens. Reviews and ratings can be very misleading as well. Ultimately streaming is a great tool for getting you where you need to be. I regret buying about 50% of my CD collection and that probably equates to about 1500 CD's and an associated cost of maybe £10,000 to £15,000
Holy krapp!!! Hopefully they've held at least 50% value, I only buy used CDs for 2-3 bucks. I have not bought a new CD in probably 20 years.
TBH, via YT (a bit) and Bandcamp (a lot) for the last decade or so, I listen carefully dozens of time before ordering, which means that I order much less, but with an excellent enjoyèment rate.
I can also say that I have some 40% of albums that are not really necessary to my collection (very roughly 2 to 4000), because I didn't get to sample deeply enough in the three previous decades.
------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: June 18 2025 at 06:10
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
richardh wrote:
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
Logan wrote:
Argos wrote:
So basically we’ve gone from “piracy bad” to “piracy maybe okay if it’s in a YouTube wrapper”?
I don't believe that and have not said that. It's not piracy when its official, and the uploader can allow embedding or not. It is common for artists and labels to provide their music on sites such as bandcamp and youtube. Like it or not, legal streaming is now common.
I bought the vast majority of my CD albums after hearing them first on YouTube. Before going online in 2010, I bought maybe one CD a month. Now though, I buy the equivalent of one CD a day.
Interesting . I find that I buy a lot less now that I can properly vet albums before buying. With favourite bands I don't need to but so many albums just don't really stand up after 5 listens. Reviews and ratings can be very misleading as well. Ultimately streaming is a great tool for getting you where you need to be. I regret buying about 50% of my CD collection and that probably equates to about 1500 CD's and an associated cost of maybe £10,000 to £15,000
I can only think of one CD in recent times that I've regretted buying and that was James Last Plays ABBA.
Even James Last would probably regret buying that? Did you think it might be some other CD in the box?
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: June 18 2025 at 07:10
^ It could've been worse. It could've been Robbie Williams Sings Sinatra.
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: June 18 2025 at 07:34
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
^ It could've been worse. It could've been Robbie Williams Sings Sinatra.
I'm not even sure if that is worse. I hope it cost you less than a quid.
------------- Ian
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