Blue Oyster Cult on the archives?
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Topic: Blue Oyster Cult on the archives?
Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Subject: Blue Oyster Cult on the archives?
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 05:37
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What do you think? I'm for the inclusion http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B00005UDOI/ref=dp_image_0/103-5574364-0220659?%5Fencoding=UTF8&n=5174&s=music" target=AmazonHelp onclick="return amz_js_PopWin'http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B00005UDOI/ref=dp_image_0/103-5574364-0220659?%5Fencoding=UTF8&n=5174&s=music','AmazonHelp','width=570,height=600,resizable=1,scrollbars=1,toolbar=1,status=1';"> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B0000AKP2T/ref=dp_image_0/103-5574364-0220659?%5Fencoding=UTF8&n=5174&s=music" target=AmazonHelp onclick="return amz_js_PopWin'http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B0000AKP2T/ref=dp_image_0/103-5574364-0220659?%5Fencoding=UTF8&n=5174&s=music','AmazonHelp','width=570,height=600,resizable=1,scrollbars=1,toolbar=1,status=1';"> Wonderful albums!! |
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Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 05:39
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Wonderful covers, BTW! |
(1973)Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 05:43
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I would honestly say yes. For prog related. They are nowhere like a straigt forward rock band and Ptor related just about does it. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 06:06
| Yes, prog related or art rock...maybe prog related is better. |
Posted By: Paulieg
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 06:38
I'd agree to slightly prog-related concerning their first three albums, ecspecially "Secret Treaties." All in all I don't think this is enough to consider them a prog band. By the way, I think Secret Treaties is a masterpiece of hard rock. I never really considered BOC a progressive rock band. They were very original through Secret Treaties, but then really commercialized from "Agents of Fortune" on. Another proggish album by them is "Cultosaurus Erectus." All in all a great band, but not prog in my opinion. I guess you could say prog related though with the albums I mentioned. I have all of their releases. Great band! 
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Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 06:49
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A great band - if they were to be included I would say Prog Related. ------------- 
"Music is the Wine that fills the cup of Silence" - Robert Fripp |
Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 07:02
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The next one should be Six Pistols? 
I'd rather add THE DOORS 
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Posted By: blazno
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 07:06
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You read my mind. |
valravennz wrote:Posted By: iguana
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 07:14
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no. great band, though! ------------- progressive rock and rural tranquility don't match. true or false? |
Posted By: ANDREW
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 07:35
| I like very much BLUE OYSTER CULT, i have their first 4 albums and "Imaginos" (1988), but i can't consider them as prog or prog-related; they're a great hard-rock band, with some folk-rock armonies and diabolic lyrics: "the american Black Sabbath". If you want BOC in the archives, you must include also LED ZEPPELIN and BLACK SABBATH (IMO). |
Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 07:45
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They'll fit nicely in the prog related section. Although I'm not sure
what I think about the term. I love 'Secret Treaties', guess I think of
it as sophisticated hard rock. ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 08:23
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Don't Fear (the Blue Oyster Cult)!! BTW, The Sex Pistols are the opposite of everithing you could name "art"! About BOC I think other very interesting albums are: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B000002540/ref=dp_image_0/103-5574364-0220659?%5Fencoding=UTF8&n=5174&s=music" target=AmazonHelp onclick="return amz_js_PopWin'http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B000002540/ref=dp_image_0/103-5574364-0220659?%5Fencoding=UTF8&n=5174&s=music','AmazonHelp','width=570,height=600,resizable=1,scrollbars=1,toolbar=1,status=1';"> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B0000025NG/ref=dp_image_0/103-5574364-0220659?%5Fencoding=UTF8&n=5174&s=music" target=AmazonHelp onclick="return amz_js_PopWin'http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B0000025NG/ref=dp_image_0/103-5574364-0220659?%5Fencoding=UTF8&n=5174&s=music','AmazonHelp','width=570,height=600,resizable=1,scrollbars=1,toolbar=1,status=1';">
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(1975)
(1981)Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 08:25
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...and also these: |
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(1976)Posted By: ANDREW
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 08:44
Isn't "Agents Of Fortune" from 1974? |
Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 08:47
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No, it's from 1976! I have almost all the BOC's albums, so I'm sure of the dates |
Posted By: Heptade
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 08:58
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Anyone who listens to the song "Astronomy" will know that BOC is as or
more proggy than a lot of seventies acts on this site, categories notwithstanding. ------------- The world keeps spinning, people keep sinning And all the rest is just bullsh*t -Steve Kilbey |
Posted By: Zenith
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 09:01
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Yes, as prog related. ------------- We're only in it for the music!!! |
Posted By: Heptade
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 09:32
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Sure, prog-related, prog-induced, prog-befriended...wherever. It would be
nice to see. ------------- The world keeps spinning, people keep sinning And all the rest is just bullsh*t -Steve Kilbey |
Posted By: aprusso
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 09:50
| Absolutely yes. They're one of the most inventive, sophisticated, imprevisible (and mysterioyus!) rock bands of all times. You want prog? Listen to "The Vigil" from Mirrors, "Flaming Telepaths" and "Astronomy" from Secret treaties, "Black Blade" and "Monsters" from Cultuosaurus erectus, the whole "Imaginos" masterpiece album... my point: if there are in PA the likes of Shadow gallery, Symphony X, death (!!!), BOC can't miss. |
Posted By: aprusso
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 09:51
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This is nonsense, BOC is much superior to Doors as far as "progness" is concerned |
Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 09:55
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Yep, The Vigil, great song! Special mention also to The Great Sun Jester and In Thee |
Posted By: Clark Ashton
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 10:00
....all wonderful Art Rock tracks. Teh= |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 10:02
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No -- BOC are a good classic hard rock band that aren't even remotely prog (and yes, I have several of their albums). IMO, "prog-related" remains a bogus, artificial category, as arguably all rock, especially late 60s - 70s, is "related" to progressive rock. Still, I imagine it's just a matter of time until BOC are added, but then, in the interest of "fairness," all other 70s hard rock bands (Sabbath, Zep, etc) will have to be added. Prog&ClassicRockArchives is what we have here -- all "good" music (that any more than a few of us ever liked), particularly stuff from 67 -- 77 or so, is now "prog" or "prog related," it would seem.... Too many cooks in the kitchen, I think!
Whatever. ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
(Then you can all start on the not-so-hard stuff.)
Posted By: SlipperFink
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 11:51
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I loved this band before the industry mooks got ahold of them and
ordered their collective songwriting suicide. First 3 studio records and the Live record are hilariously great. Saw them in 1974 opening for Bachman Turner Overweight and they were AMAZING. Just deadly. Mistress of the Salmon Salt. Wings Wetted Down. Workshop of the Telescopes. Flaming Telepaths. The Red and the Black. Dominance and Submission. Me262. The list goes on and on. Just a great American hard rock act. I think linking these cats to "prog" does them a disservice. They could ROCK. Most prog bands couldn't rock to save their ass. Which is fine. Don't go to an Italian resturant for Sam Get Tai. Even a great Italian resturant. SM. ------------- Modesty is an ornament, but one goes further without it. Old German Proverb |
Posted By: ANDREW
Date Posted: March 25 2006 at 08:25
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Posted By: ANDREW
Date Posted: March 25 2006 at 08:27
EXACTLY, THAT'S WHAT I SAID BEFORE, |
Posted By: ANDREW
Date Posted: March 25 2006 at 08:30
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SHADOW GALLERY, SYMPHONY X are progressive-metal, but BOC is just hard-rock (although brilliant). |
Posted By: White Feather
Date Posted: March 25 2006 at 09:06
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Posted By: Fusioned
Date Posted: March 25 2006 at 09:12
Totally gonna agree with the Petemaster on this one ------------- +FUSIONED+ 
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Posted By: Nightauditor
Date Posted: October 04 2007 at 22:19
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BOC is hard rock? AC/DC is hard rock. Go into a bar and put Astronomy or Diz-Busters on the juke box. Count how many people look at you funny. Heck, put Stairway to the Stars, a non-prog, song on and they'll still look at you funny. Hell, put Lips in the Hills on and they'll toss you out. BOC is not hard rock. They can rock, but these guys actually wrote music, not bashed out power chords and hooky choruses.
------------- Delta-11 THC, the only way to fly. |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: October 05 2007 at 01:19
As I told you in another post, BOC are in Prog-Related, and they have been since mid-April. However, their addition was not painless - I added them, and was immediately accused of every crime against the site. However, I do agree with you on all counts, and in spite of what happened at that time, I still think the band belong here - not as fully prog (because they aren't), but as influenced by it , which is what PR is about. |
Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: October 05 2007 at 12:47
DB missed the above quote. It actually came before my posts ------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: Yukorin
Date Posted: October 05 2007 at 13:11
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DB senses a creeping sense of senseless paranoia emanating from certain purists at PA. Also wonders if Pa encompasses all "good" music, why do we have Krautrock & Zeuhl
 Have to call you up on this. I know you are a nice guy DB but you are definately out of your depth here. ------------- 
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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: October 05 2007 at 13:25
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I'm a BOC afficianado. I have all of their albums; however, only three of their albums come close to what I would consider prog. Their most proggish album was Imaginos. I would also say that some of Fire of Unknown Origin and Secret Treaties had some proggishness to them. And I think all of their stuff qualifies them as more than just a classic hard-rock band. They were definitely better songwriters and more experimental than your average class hard-rock band. However, being better than average, or more intelligent than average, or more experimental than average does not a prog band make. Sorry, I love BOC, but unless we come up with a categorization "Prog Occasionally" or "Prog Related as Second Cousins on their Mother's Side" I don't see how BOC counts as prog. ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: October 05 2007 at 13:40
BOC are in PROG-RELATED. This doesn't mean prog. I added them in April, and you can analyse every single word of the bio I wrote to see if I ever mentioned their being fully prog. I did not. Why is it so hard to understand? |
Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: October 06 2007 at 08:03
Thos 2 are my favorites, great mix of styles, harder songs and more catchier pop songs, amazing stuff! prog or not i dont realy know and i dont realy cear. Its music and i like it!  ------------- 
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Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: October 06 2007 at 11:32
Thank you for the supposition, I am a nice guy when the meds work as they are intended to. What am I definitely out of my depth on ? The K & Z comment ? That was a joke, and a lightly held opinion. The first cuttingly satiric sentence about an attitude that I find laughable & overly serious in a world that overlooks Darfur, while making statements about acting on Myanmar as if they were actually going to piss off China just to do the right thing. Or how about my friends who are splitting up because the wife is clinically depressed & the husband, after all they've been through over the years (miscarriage, business bankruptcy, brother's depression, sister's divorce, niece's questionable lifestyle choices, mom's impending dementia, then his wife's many health problems {not just mental illnesses} that aren't always covered by Medicare or private health plans) just doesn't see a brighter day anytime soon. So if people want to jump up & down as if somehow their religious or deeply held beliefs were being assaulted because PA dared to add a band in the most tepid & weakest prog associated sub-genre, then EXCUSE ME ! Life offers up but a few readily made & ego deflating deserving targets. I have a big enough collection & a wide & varied enough knowledge & taste in music to be able to say that the sandbox is not a place for such toddler-like temper tantrums. I do not impose my views on what is good or bad music on anyone. The only division I respect is the one that admits the subjective nature of my preferences , i.e. I like this, I don't like that. No tag of good or bad needs to be applied based on my tastes. And furthermore, in case you think that I am a narrow minded plebe who has a thing about elitism, you are right. I am considered (surprising to me too) to be of above average intelligence, to have a certain ability in communicating, I'm seen as well read with interests that are wider in range than the majority, and am also old enough to have gotten over the teen stage of raging over , what is in the final analysis, not exactly the most serious subject in this world. So, in case I have overblown my perception of your believing I am out of my depth, explain yourself. I can apologise if I've gone overboard. But I will not accept that my amusing myself with little torpedoes shot at turpid over-exerted & strenuous cries of alarm over the inclusion, as I said before , of a moderately talented bunch of musicians in a very very very far far relatively related genre of music that is Prog-related.             P.S. I must go now, because my 60 lbs dalmatian lab mix is trying to show how good a lap dog he can be. Then I will go wash my face & hands as I feel dirty. After that, I will let my dog lick my face & hands & I will tell him that he is wrong about BOC not being an acceptable candidate for Prog-related. OF course, with dogs being much smarter than we give them credit, he will just look at me, & signal that it's time for his walk, so he can go piss & chit outside. HE is after all house broken & house trained. So his messes are kept to the outside & the non-liquid part is picked up after he's done. Then I'm going to listen to Nektar, Gary Numan, Ted Nugent, the Nails, Nirvana, Mojo Nixon and Skid Roper, and have an Alpine followed by a Leffe and wonder why so many people choose to live their life up their own wazoo ...  ------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: October 06 2007 at 13:08
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Oops ! Forgot to engage the safety on the verbal shotgun. Oh well, guess I need some Immodium AD for that verbal diahrrea, and some mental Ex-lax for that constipation of thinking.
------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: October 08 2007 at 13:42
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I love BOC, but they aren't prog. |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: October 08 2007 at 13:49
And in fact they are in PROG-RELATED ... |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: October 09 2007 at 20:22
psstt.. darling... there's no crying in prog ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |