Reasons not to like Tool
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Topic: Reasons not to like Tool
Posted By: Guests
Subject: Reasons not to like Tool
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 09:50
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I don`t care for Tool heres why 1. They are very two dimensional , and very predictable 2. all their songs sound alike 3. People who like Tool always tend to be people unsure about what they like 4. Their singer resorts to fits of screaming when his voice is needed to rise to the aggression 5. Their Drummer is no Peart or Bruford (lets face reality) 6. Their CD covers are bland 7. They compress their recordings so much that clipping begins at 96 db (well below satisfactory) 8. You can buy their CD`s at Kmart (always a warning sign) 9. Tool are nerds trying to be tough guys and they fail miserably 10. apart from that they are OK 11. I`m going to get creamed for saying this stuff .. cya |
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 09:54
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Age Of Nemesis wrote:Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 10:00
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Posted By: JayDee
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 10:01
I dont know what to make out of this thread and your reasons... ------------- 
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Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 10:02
1. They are very two dimensional , and very predictable Clearly you don't understand their lyrics. 6. Their CD covers are bland Um, are you blind? 7. They compress their recordings so much that clipping begins at 96 db (well below satisfactory) EVERYone does this now. Yes, it sucks, and it sounds like garbage, but it's not their choice, it's the label's. 11. I`m going to get creamed for saying this stuff .. cya  Great 8th post.  ------------- Pure Brilliance: 
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Posted By: Masque
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 10:04
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That guys a Tool ... get it ... TOOL
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Posted By: FragileDT
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 10:04
I agree with everything Mike says hear (not being a really big Tool fan, but I do like them now.) And Carey is a GREAT drummer, or at least thats what I hear from all my drumming friends. He may not be as good as Peart of Bruford but I guarantee he's better than 90% of other prog band's drummers. ------------- One likes to believe In the freedom of music But glittering prizes And endless Compromises Shatter the illusion Of integrity |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 10:06
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What sort of "clipping" do you mean? Can't be digital clipping, and other than that - if they want it to sound that way, it's fine by me. Or do you mean normal compression (reducing dynamics)? Again, this is fine by me - the difference is not really noticeable. Come on, we're talking about 2.1dB less than the theoretical maximum. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: JayDee
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 10:08
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^^ Yeah, Carey's quite amazing.. Really complex odd time and rhythm changes. Mike Portnoy lists him as one of his favorites. -------------
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Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 10:12
I always knew you were a lawnmower! ------------- Pure Brilliance:
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Posted By: Masque
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 10:14
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Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 10:15
I assumed he was talking about the practice of brickwall peak limiting during the mastering phase. Rush's Vapor Trails is a painful example of this practice. http://www.prorec.com/prorec/articles.nsf/articles/8A133F52D0FD71AB86256C2E005DAF1C - Here's a great article about it. ------------- Pure Brilliance:
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Posted By: JayDee
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 10:17
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I understand that perfectly. Im a die hard fan of DT and im also a drummer. But, Mike Portnoy isnt you... BTW: Whats wrong with a great drummer appreciating another great drummer???? -------------
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 10:18
http://www.songfacts.com/detail.php?id=4578 - http://www.songfacts.com/detail.php?id=4578
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 10:18
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Posted By: JayDee
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 10:21
^^ ah, Jody weve waiting for you! Glad you came! -------------
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Posted By: The Mister
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 10:26
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Reason #12 (which of course assumes that the previous 11 were all valid): The disturbing videos. If I could enjoy watching what I guess is supposed to be rusty fecal matter passing through old pipes / intestines, then I guess it's not so bad. #13: Disturbing lyrics. Lots of people like disturbing lyrics. I only do in very small quantities. TOTALLY a matter of opinion. |
Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 10:30
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I don't care for Tool haters, here's why: 1. They are very predictable; 2. All their posts read alike; 3. People who dislike Tool tend to be people unsure whether they get enough attention, so: 4. They resort to starting inflammatory threads when they feel they lack that attention; 5. Their grammar and/or spelling is no Joyce or Fitzgerald (let's face reality); 6. Their arguments are bland; 7. They think production can make or break an album; 8. They visit the music section at Kmart (always a warning sign); 9. They are nerds trying to be tough guys and they fail miserably; 10. Apart from that they are OK; 11. They always get creamed in the end. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 10:31
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 10:32
I foresee a lot of threads like this and worse in the days to come. ------------- |
Posted By: Phil
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 10:33
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^^Nice one!
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Posted By: JayDee
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 10:33
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^^ Nice one there Mr. Visitor -------------
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Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 10:51
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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 10:57
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Nice one Meurgly's III!
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Posted By: helofloki
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 11:01
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I don`t care for Tool heres why 1. They are very two dimensional , and very predictable. eh, well whatever you feel like 2. all their songs sound alike. they have 3 full albums that sound completely different, the styles are surprisingly drastically different. However, their first ep sounded like their first full album and this new album looks like it's gonna be like lateralus, but either way, their songs do very in sound a lot. 3. People who like Tool always tend to be people unsure about what they like. Completely and utterly irrelavent, this is somewhere between "ad hominem" and "ad populum" either way it totally ruins your argument, so you might as well never have typed this. 4. Their singer resorts to fits of screaming when his voice is needed to rise to the aggression. whatever you say.... 5. Their Drummer is no Peart or Bruford (lets face reality). So? Good music isn't about having the most talented people in the world play it. Its about the craft of songwriting, its about the spirit of playing the music, about the enjoyment and appreciation of listening. However, their drummer is still a wicked sick drummer. 6. Their CD covers are bland. f**king bullsh*t. Their covers are wicked cool. 7. They compress their recordings so much that clipping begins at 96 db (well below satisfactory). whatever, sounds great to me. 8. You can buy their CD`s at Kmart (always a warning sign). Again, completely and utterly beyond relavency. Don't type sh*t like this it ruins your argument! 9. Tool are nerds trying to be tough guys and they fail miserably. yer stooped 10. apart from that they are OK. OK computer 11. I`m going to get creamed for saying this stuff .. cya |
Posted By: Forgotten Son
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 11:21
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Why are we arguing
about completely subjective opinions. I know this thread was uncalled
for but there's no need to treat it as a personal challenge, something
to be refuted at all costs. I fail to see how you can credibly refute a
statement like "Their CD covers are bland", and the cliched response
"you just haven't heard the music" doesn't cut it. I've heard the music
and I find myself agreeing with some of the points he's raised, though
he's still a troll and you guys really shouldn't be feeding him this
manner. |
Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 11:26
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Fair enough - but only the first two arguments and maybe the seventh one make sense (not much, IMO, but all right...) The rest? Give me a break. And yeah, he got all the attention he was looking for and then some. |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 11:31
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9. Tool are nerds trying to be tough guys and they fail miserably-I was in the Army for 10 years,am a combat veteran,and have a Purple Heart a Bronze Star with a V for valor.DON'T EVEN GO THERE Sorry,I misread this.I thought he said Tool fans are nerds trying to be.......... ------------- |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 11:39
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Don'y you mean Maunkind? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 11:41
No, he means Visitor13 |
Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 11:42
Bolded the ones that are actually regarding Tool's music. And all three are false. You lose, try again. -- Ivan |
Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 11:45
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Brilliant. -- Ivan |
Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 11:46
who's that?! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5"> 
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 11:53
Ah...of course. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Legoman
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 12:06
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Even though I don't care for TOOL I still don't agree with the foreman
of this forum... but I do see a lot of people lying when they are
trying to convince themselves of Dan Carey's skills at drumming.
The drums hardly exist, people. What the f**k are you talking
about. It's not like this is a bad thing or that I care either way but... I don't think you should bust the man for that point. It's true and maybe he likes his drums a lot.  |
Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 12:08
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All right, sorry about that, but I'm really surprised by your saying that about the drumming in Tool.
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Posted By: helofloki
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 12:09
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Fancy drumming doesn't necessarily mean good or better drumming. |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 12:14
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Their music does not match my taste in music. That's my (non-confrontational & non-judgmental) reason.... ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 12:16
And a slightly awkward-sounding one. No offence, Peter, but just say you don't like them. It's respectful and doesn't sound forced, IMO. |
Posted By: avestin
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 12:28
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Posted By: VanBuren
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 12:36
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1. They are very two dimensional , and very predictable yeah,
hooray for three dimensional music...what a dumb arguement, that
doesn't even mean anything, that's just like political spin, it sounds
like something but it doesnt mean anything 2. all their songs sound alike to your ear...which by that statement, doesn't appear to be very good, especially with comment 5 3. People who like Tool always tend to be people unsure about what they like Good arguement.. 4. Their singer resorts to fits of screaming when his voice is needed to rise to the aggression If
the guy wants to scream, who's gonna say he shouldn't just because
singers didn't scream on 70s albums, doesn't mean they can't now.
Maynard studied opera as a child and if you actually listen to any of
their music, his "fits of screaming" can be one solid diahram "scream"
for over 30 seconds, you try it 5. Their Drummer is no Peart or Bruford (lets face reality) actually
the drummer is incredibly good, playing layered polyrhymes over the
band, something Peart never does, he just isn't as flashy with long
descending 2112 fills 6. Their CD covers are bland what about close to the edge...ooooh a color fade, that album must suck...another dumb arguement 7. They compress their recordings so much that clipping begins at 96 db (well below satisfactory) I've never noticed any problem with this 8. You can buy their CD`s at Kmart (always a warning sign) good
god no! Kmart, how could they, how could they want to get there music
out to the people. So you can't by rush, genesis, yes, or the
like at Kmart...of wait, i think I bought the aforementioned 2112 at a
kmart 9. Tool are nerds trying to be tough guys and they fail miserably good
arguement-ha once again...anything to back this with...do they play
Dungeons and Dragons with real swords or something, or maybe watch star
trek reruns while cutting themselves, what? |
Posted By: VanBuren
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 12:40
| also, apparently there aren't many drummers here, or you just can't hear very well. The drumming with tool is actually very complex, especially on Lateralus. Even fairly straight forward songs, like sober, have fairly complex drum parts, the beat doesn't sound good, but it actually takes a little practice to get down, because it takes a certain degree of independence that most drummers on't even worry about. and as I said before, flashy isn't the only indicator of quality. In that sense steve hackett isn't a good guitarist because he doesn't do constant solos |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 12:45
Have you been reading the posts in this thread?  Almost everyone here has said Carey is an extremely talented drummer. I am a drummer with over 30 years of experience and have been gushing about the man since the day I came onto this forum. ------------- |
Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 13:20
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You're FOOL,if you hate TOOL!!!
If Lateralus had been THE ONLY ONE RELEASE from them,it would be my favouritest prog-metal band!!!
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Posted By: akin
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 13:42
The worst thing of these threads is to see a guy with bad arguments
saying bad things about a band he dislike and lots of collaborators and
senior members, and admins, etc replying his post with bad arguments,
because they are also based in their personal opinions and they put
themselves at the same level of the topic creator. The only difference
is that they are 20 against 1 and no one who has a little of sanity
dares to support the topic creator to not be offended just for the fun
of these members.   Seems
like the ones who criticize these topics are the people who want to get
attention and feel superior as the others just because they contribute
more often with this site. Only these arguments can be considered stupid: 3. People who like Tool always tend to be people unsure about what they like 8. You can buy their CD`s at Kmart (always a warning sign) 9. Tool are nerds trying to be tough guys and they fail miserably The others cannot be refuted. Just because you consider themselves more intelligent than the topic creator, you think that when you say that Tool music isn't predictable, their songs don't sound alike, their singer is brilliant when he screams, that their drummer is as good as Peart or Bruford (or even better), that their CD covers are superb and their recordings are of an excellent quality, you are right. It is true among yourselves, as it is true that Abba, Backstreet Boys, Guns 'n Roses are the best band ever in their fan-clubs, and it is true that Madonna, Britney Spears, Jennifer Lopez and Eminem are excellent artists and musicians to their fans. Once I went to a second-hand record store with a friend of mine that said he liked records (vinyl) too (vinyl is out of print in Brazil since 1995). That day I bought an Emerson, Lake and Palmer and a Genesis record (I think Works I and Foxtrot). He bought a Beatles and a Guns 'n Roses record. And that day he said he thought that Axl Rose was the best piano players of the world (talking about November Rain video clip). Did I say something like you said in this topic? Of course not. Let him believe that Axl Rose is the best pianist of the world. It was not because I was with an ELP record in my hands that I had authority to say he is wrong and he doesn't know anything about playing piano, talent and so on. This kind of atitude is expected for these people who discovered this website two weeks ago, but it is not acceptable for the senior members, collaborators, reviewers, prog-metal specialists, etc.  Seems that there are some people who need to learn a lot. |
Posted By: Viajero Astral
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 13:44
Hey, I found something interesting about Supers Ready: http://www.songfacts.com/detail.php?id=1444 - http://www.songfacts.com/detail.php?id=1444 Oh yeah, and Tool is excelent. ------------- 
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 13:46
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Then at least Lateralus may be your favorite prog metal album - that's something, isn't it? Actually if I remember correctly, it is currently the #5 prog metal album in the progarchives statistics. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Magic Mountain
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 13:52
| If you think that Tool's drummer isn't any good, then you haven't been to a live Tool show!!! |
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 13:55
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Oops, I meant Manunkind, my mistake! I thought Meurgly's III had changed his name as well, I'm getting confused! Apologies their Visitor13! -------------
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Posted By: I|I|I|I|I
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 13:58
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I have another one to add to the list: A lot of people like Tool, thus Tool is bad. ------------- Go and listen to my music. http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=31725 |
Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 14:14
Yes,it is!!!Along with some OPETH and DREAM THEATER releases... 
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 14:19
In other words, don't feed the trolls. Many topics I've seen of late can be considered as little more than flamebait. I realize it's hard to let your favorite artists get bashed and remain silent, but in my mind, it's better to let such obvious troll threads simply die of neglect. |
Posted By: Hierophant
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 14:25
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Danny Carey is no Peart of Bruford AAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA http://youtube.com/watch?v=dQ1_ltwAdMU&search=danny%20 carey http://youtube.com/watch?v=LKwLKWNqZ78&search=danny%20 carey lets face REALITY ------------- 
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 14:40
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Meuglys III has changed his name also.........wake up man! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 14:43
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Indeed! *smacks himself round the face* So how's the new Tool album Snowie? -------------
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 14:45
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I like it on first listen. I have to admit though, I'm not a Tool fan. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: VanBuren
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 14:46
of course I haven't, i read the topic then comment on it, i don't have time for the rest, but in this case I saw someone else who agreed with the statement ther danny carey isn't that good, which is ridiculous of course |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 14:50
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This might shed some light on the subject: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=10540 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=10540 Portnoy won the poll ... but Carey got many votes. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 14:59
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I was hoping this wasn't going to start so soon... but it's nice to see there are some supporters. ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: bamba
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 15:21
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great start for a newbie ------------- Learning Flute [Amigo de Manticore y Memowakeman] (primo)[IMG]http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2187/2437702285_fbb450500d_o.jpg |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 15:22
I don't like Tool because I don't like their music. Is that better? ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
I know -- my point is that these things are purely subjective, and this thread is clearly designed to offend Tool fans.Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 15:23
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I shall be seeing Tool in a few months time live, but at a festival with other bands, so it maybe be from a distance away. But I shall most likely enjoy it. -------------
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Posted By: yeppp
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 15:23
| And the most important : The singer wears stupid Stetson hats |
Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 15:24
Wow, he does? Well that seals it, I hate them now. ------------- Pure Brilliance:
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Posted By: FragileDT
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 15:34
------------- One likes to believe In the freedom of music But glittering prizes And endless Compromises Shatter the illusion Of integrity |
Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 15:37
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This thread needs to end- it was horrid to begin with......... ------------- |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 15:38
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I saw a music video of theirs where har was growing out of a wall and it scared me. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 16:08
they do have rather odd videos...... ------------- |
Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 16:14
Yep, I'm meurglysIII  .------------- "Art is not imitation, nor is it something manufactured according to the wishes of instinct or good taste. It is a process of expression." -Merleau-Ponty |
Posted By: Gaston
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 16:45
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Tool cut themselves. -------------  
It's the same guy. Great minds think alike. |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 16:50
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Tool are going to be a feature of upcoming debate because of the new album release. I see no merit in this discussion and seeing as it has gone to 4 pages,I am closing it. If this seems arbitary then so be it. Complaints to me via PM |