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Topic: For Dream Theater Music Dislike/Like Discussion!
Posted By: jesperz
Subject: For Dream Theater Music Dislike/Like Discussion!
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 10:11
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I am a huge Dream Theater Fan, and i got to listen to prog and loving it because of them. They are my first prog band that got me onto this.. But I've seen pretty much of the oppositions for DT.. I wonder why..I have no idea at all... Ok, I should be more direct. What are the things that makes you dislike them(Dream Theater) so much? Please discuss =) PS: Polite replies are gladly appreciated. ------------- <<Dark side of Z' Drummination>> |
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Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 10:13
Don't count on them.
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jesperz wrote:Posted By: Odd24
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 10:17
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What are the things that makes you hate them(Dream Theater) so much?
Maybe because they are so tight, it doesn't sound human? ------------- Right down the line |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 10:24
I am always polite, as I hope everybody will have noticed... Anyway, I think I've said quite a few times before why DT don't really do anything for me ("hate" is way too strong a word in this case!): they simply bore me to tears. The only albums I've managed to actually listen to without my mind blacking out halfway through are "Images and Words" and "A Change of Season" - the latter because of the cover versions in the second half. I understand there are a lot of fans of DT here, but I can't do anything about it.
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Posted By: Masque
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 10:30
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I like Dream Theater and yes I have noticed the "syndrome" you are talking about. I think its because Dream Theater are very good but there's a few areas that prevents them being great. The first is the vocals (Labrie isn`t everyones cup of tea) The other thing is their song writing skills (at times not the best) then there's the final lesson they need to learn the golden rule that lesser is more. Just because you can do it doesn`t mean you should. Unfortunately Dream Theater seem to lack identity and when the Name "Dream Theater" is mentioned for the first time one conjures up images of a theatrical band with many shades of expression, sadly Dream Theater don`t seem to have the Artistic consciousness , they come off sounding like a more complex Metallica. Well Dream Theater have mastered their chops but they haven't mastered their art , not yet anyway  |
Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 10:31
I see you have noticed...
. Hopefully others follow your example. |
Posted By: Abstrakt
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 11:02
| They play Overnatural and too heavy for my taste |
Posted By: retuow
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 11:03
That's exactly as I see them. And like the original poster said, DT got me into prog as well. I saw them live 3 times (2 times on a metal festival and one time on their Octavarium tour) and they are fantastic live. But they'd be better if they'd focus on songwriting and less on over-the-top instrumental showoff (especially Petrucci, Rudess and Portnoy). Oh, and I have no problems with James LaBrie's voice.  ------------- Human beings were created by water to carry it uphill. |
Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 11:38
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they're pure cheese - most 70's prog bands challenge you with complex themes before they build up to the anthemic stage as a reward. Dream Theater try to be anthemic all the time and it bores me to tears. to the members of Dream Theatre - Do something new and interesting, not what was "progressive" thirty years ago. Or just play straightforward hard rock and drop the pretensions altogether. |
Posted By: Masque
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 11:40
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Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 11:44
| And so it begins... |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 11:53
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I don't hate them -- I just don't like their music (or indeed, modern metal in general). It is too fast/hard/bombastic often lyrically depressing, for my tastes. It does not fit within my personal conception of "prog."
To each his own. If I had been born 25-30 years later than I was, I'd probably like metal.
 I hope that was polite enough, but past experience has made me a little leery of approaching this topic.
For more on this, from myself and others, you may want to read the "Dream Theater Scapegoat" thread -- also in this forum.  ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 11:54
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I certianly don't hate them- some of their work I like quite a bit, but the thing that they lack that the prog greats of the 70s had was subtlety. When they do ballads/slower songs, they are often quite cringeworthy and are just there for the band to draw breath, imo.
That's a personal thing though- I think the main reason they get criticised so much is because they are seen as the band that carry the flame for the whole genre due to their huge sales. Some older prog fans don't agree with the praise bestowed upon them and that they aren't the 'future of prog', whilst the fans of newer music blame the older fans for being old fashioned.
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Posted By: bamba
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 11:55
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Dream theater they are good but not my type of music. ------------- Learning Flute [Amigo de Manticore y Memowakeman] (primo)[IMG]http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2187/2437702285_fbb450500d_o.jpg |
Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 12:09
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I hate *yes strong word but bear with me* when people overgeneralize and hear one song by Dream TheatER and say "oh my god this is soo cheesy". They're one of my favorite bands and even I won't deny that they'll get cheesy or even just plain stupid at some points *see rappin mc labrie in "Honor Thy Father"* but that is no reason to hate a band. If you don't like the heaviness, that's fine with me. Just don't say that "they're destroying prog" because Petrucci has a pinchant for going all out Satriani for a little too long. ------------- 
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 12:09
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The use of the word "hate" in the thread title and the initial post is counter productive and likely to incite unwanted replies. There will be many people like Peter above who would never dream of "hating" DT (or any other band), but find their music is not to their taste.
If you want polite replies, ask polite questions!
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Posted By: DeepPhreeze
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 12:19
| It's 80s/90s music. Nuff said. |
Posted By: parrymason
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 12:24
I don`t understand this whole prog-metal thing and that`s all. 
As for Dream Theater - they are not a bad band, they are really
professional and skilled musicians, but I don`t see anything special in
their music.
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Posted By: A Guy
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 12:31
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I don't hate Dream Theater, thus I am impervious to your question. Ha! ------------- http://www.ericmushroomwilson.co.uk - My website Signatures are for people who can think of anything to put in their signatures. |
Posted By: Marc Baum
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 13:19
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It's seems James LaBrie's fault that Dream Theater are considered as cheesy. But Brie isn't that bad, if you know what I mean. ------------- "All you need to do is sit back, and acquire the taste." - GENTLE GIANT |
Posted By: M. B. Zapelini
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 13:36
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I do not hate Dream Theater - Iīm not that fond of LaBrie's voice (although he's a great singer, let's face it), but I do not like when they try to fill their albums with pop song which sounds more like U2 (if U2 members knew how to play their instruments with such prowess). ------------- "He's a man of the past and one of the present" PETER HAMMILL |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 13:44
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I love DT always have done. Don't find them "cheesy" at all, just brilliant. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: oscar
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 14:35
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I dont like DT at all...
------------- Life is PROGRESSIVE |
Posted By: walrus333
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 15:39
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I really like Images and Words but other then that album I find their albums either horrible (Falling Into Infinity/ 6 Degrees) or inconsistant (SFAM, Awake, WDADU etc.)
They are hardly the worst thing for prog though. ------------- If anyone knows where I can get a copy of some Flute and Voice (Indo-Prog/Raga Rock) albums please PM me! Many thanks! |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 16:12
| I don't care for DT's muisc either and i really dislike the vocals and lyrics, they sound cheeeeessy |
Posted By: ken4musiq
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 16:13
That surprises me because I thought you were a DT fan. I do agree that they are inconsistent but when they are on they are quite good. (When they are not ..well
 ) I am not fond of LaBrie's voice and hearing them live it is even worse. ( . . .and the endless number of psots on that front.) He goes off pitch a lot because he is a baritone with the technique to sing out of his range. The band seems to be a vehicle for JP's guitar, which is okay;(the notion not his guitar) but I often wonder if he picked a medicore singer so as not to have anybody to compete with. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 16:23
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I don't understand what is "Cheesy" about DT! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: kajkeron
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 16:30
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DO I HATE THEM??? No... I only think they're so much overrated, and that annoys me, just as in other similar cases (Britney Spears, Madonna...) I think they have no gift for composing. Melodies are really weak. They are very skillful of course, but that's only he surface. In FACT THRIR MUSIC IS VERY SIMPLE! LA Brie's voice is a real failure. They sound like all these boring, pompous, plastic-heavy-metal bands from '80 - Halloween, Queensryche... There's nothing more in DT. |
Posted By: Catholic Flame
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 16:53
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I would have to say that I learned to hate DT from its fans
here on this site. And I predict that one or many DT fans will attack this post and prove my point. ------------- Great things are not accomplished by those who yield to trends and fads and popular opinion. ~Jack Kerouac |
Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 16:55
Your post has an illegal number of exclamation marks. You are hereby to remove all save three.
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Posted By: Catholic Flame
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 17:02
I appreciate you sharing that with me. ------------- Great things are not accomplished by those who yield to trends and fads and popular opinion. ~Jack Kerouac |
Posted By: Fritha
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 17:03
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You know what irritates me somewhat as far as DT is concerned? The fact that I personally seem to become deaf to musical virtuosity when I listen to them! I would like to listen to my copy of Images & Words and at least marvel at this aspect of these musicians if nothing else (as I'm not really a fan of their song writing approach) but I just don't seem to be able to hear it to the extenct that I expect to hear it, considering how often the band members are being prased of being technically supreme even amongst prog bands. I know that this amazing virtuosity must be there as so many keep raving about it, yet for some reason I just fail to grasp it   When I listen to classic prog bands the skill-factor is there even for a non-musician like me to hear and appreciate so why is it that this same factor manages to elude me in the case of DT? Beats me... And it makes me feel a bit ridiculous and confused to be honest, lol.------------- I was made to love magic |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 17:20
 Something similar happens to me, I find Ruddess a great keyboardsist, the rare times I can barely listen Myung he sounds great, Petrucci is really good, Portnoy is a bit poser IMO but good technique and strenght.
Their solos are amazing, but their music says nothing to me the solo based structure trying to prove how they can do hardest things than the rest of the world is not enough.
Already Malmsteen proved that, the guy is an incredibly talented guitar player, but his endless guitar masturbations gained attention for a short peiod of time compared with some much less talented musicians.
Iván ------------- 
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 17:35
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Another love/hate DT thread, and I'm going to go hang myself in the bathroom | | |  Please think about me! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 17:36
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*thinks*.......................................ok enough of that! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 17:37
I am thinking about you, Miracle
 . (considers a suitable title for his new love DT thread)
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Posted By: HeirToRuin
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 17:37
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Dream Theater was my favorite band until I discovered the rest of prog.
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 17:39
Well I don't mind a love thread as long as it stays a love thread and about DT, which is how all DT love threads go  Or do they?   ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 17:44
They always go my way...
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Posted By: lightbulb_son
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 17:45
don't hate on U2. edge is a great guitarist, i love his tone. ------------- When the world is sick Can't no one be well But I dreamt we were all beautiful and strong 
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Posted By: walrus333
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 18:55
That surprises me because I thought you were a DT fan. I do agree that they are inconsistent but when they are on they are quite good. (When they are not ..well
) Yeah I used to be a pretty big DT fan, but the more I get into both prog and metal the less they impress me ------------- If anyone knows where I can get a copy of some Flute and Voice (Indo-Prog/Raga Rock) albums please PM me! Many thanks! |
Posted By: Marc Baum
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 19:35
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Bashers need get bashed - so simple is that!!! ------------- "All you need to do is sit back, and acquire the taste." - GENTLE GIANT |
Posted By: Marc Baum
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 19:56
There's plastic-pop I know but plastic-heavy-metal? I could understand if you would say Fear Factory or Ministry, since that's computer animated stuff. But Helloween and Queensryche plastic-heavy-metal? What is going on/comes out of YOUR plastic-brain?  ------------- "All you need to do is sit back, and acquire the taste." - GENTLE GIANT |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 20:17
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^ he also misspelled the band name - it's "Helloween". ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to: 
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 20:20
It doesn't matter...he doesn't know what he's talking abiut anyway. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Marc Baum
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 20:26
Thanks colleagues, I've already thought I am totally left alone with my thoughts.  ------------- "All you need to do is sit back, and acquire the taste." - GENTLE GIANT |
Posted By: akin
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 20:45
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Difficult to find someone who really hates Dream Theater. The main
problem is that DT lovers love to say ridiculous things as if Dream
Theater was the best ever and the rest isnīt as good and as prog as
Dream Theater. So, what the non-DT lovers probably answer is that DT is
a sh**, but they donīt think so. For you to know, when I talked of 70īs progressive rock with friends of mine one said that the only band in the world that could be considered as good as DT was Rush (though he liked very much the DT covers of 70īs prog). The other said that 70īs prog is a guitarist on dope and a guy making strange noises with a synthesizer. They say that Petrucci is the best guitarist in the world, but he lacks versatility even when he plays metal (overdistorted riffs and speed solos that donīt impress me much, as speed for speed Malmstreen is better). They say that Portnoy is the best but concerning only about speed again. Ok, he does fine in Transatlantic with the cover version of In Held īTwas in I, but he canīt get the same sounds as B.J. Wilson got. Although they are very good, speed isnīt everything (Randy Californiaīs solo on Spiritīs song Jewish is so slow but so original that it is impressive. Slide solo in Uriah Heepīs The Spell is very slow but so beautiful that stands out. While Petrucci tries to be the faster he can, but his solos doesnīt impress me much because the best achievement he can get of these solos is to be as fast as Satriani, Vai or Malmsteen). The other musicians are not so loved. They say Rudess is better than Moore. Maybe technically, but Mooreīs compositional skills were a great loss for the band. Their success in the metal scene was a bad thing to them (led to Train of Thought, for example). My relationship with DT is a bit tough because in their albuns I always find 3 great songs and 5 that doesnīt match my taste. The one that most pleases me is Images and Words (Iīve not heard all of them). Octavarium, for example, the last two songs are great and this album could be very good if it was mostly this way, but I canīt like most of the others. Conclusion: Maybe they could mature if they decided which style they want to follow and focus their compositional efforts on this style. Or they choose to be a great metal band like Metallica (what is good) or they choose to be a heavy-prog band, but as every prog band, lower the distortions to highlight the riffs, arpeggios and other instruments. Their doubt in some songs prevent them being great and the final result is neither a great prog song nor a great metal song. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 21:08
It's funny - I never saw somebody say that. Maybe it was before my time ... and I wouldn#t agree with such a statement. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: akin
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 21:25
Oh, I had already heard lots of times things like that (see the example I mentioned of the guy saying that 70īs prog is a guitarist on dope and a guy making noises with synthesizers). Here in Brazil, there are lots of DT fanboys without any knowledge of progressive rock (when I say I like progressive rock, the immediate question is: Dream Theater?). Iīm already accostumed, but Iīd prefer if they admitted: I donīt know 70īs prog than to judge 70īs prog "crap". |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 21:31
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I don't doubt that some DT fans would say that - I just never saw one of these statements. I saw some similar statements about The Mars Volta though, like that they're better than King Crimson. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Rashikal
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 21:39
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the whole genre of prog/speed/power metal I find so horribly cheesy i
cant even listen to it. they lyrics and singing is so bad and the
guitars are so false sounding and boring. ugh, im embarrased that it is
even considered progressive music. it is not the heaviness, i love
bands like Pelican, Neurosis and Isis. I also enjoy some death metal
like Slayer and Strapping Young Lad as well as Mastodon. i guess it's
the pseudo emotional vocals that bothers me. THATS JUST ME THOUGH. ------------- 
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Posted By: steelyhead
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 21:58
| They are really a bore. simply put thereīs no soul in that music making machine. Good players but they try, so hard sometimes, to make every song a lesson on how to be a master of their instrument. I donīt like Labrie and I donīt like DT. Sorry, but I donīt hate you for loving those guys, it only amuse me. |
Posted By: Rashikal
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 22:01
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personally, i think theyre a joke and an embarrasment
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Posted By: Maverick
Date Posted: April 24 2006 at 08:52
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I think that for intelligent person it is not necessary to hate DT, but also not necessary to be too much fanatic of it. There's no doubt - Dream Theater is a great band, all members have a big talent and technique. Everyone must respect DT at least. As for me, DT is one of my favourites.
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Posted By: Rorro
Date Posted: April 24 2006 at 10:15
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You don't need to be a musician to realize that DT has a very good technique, despites there are people who doesn't see it. The musical content is what most of people critisize of then, but i think it depends on who is listening, some finds something good in their songwritting and lyrics, some just doesn't. From what i can hear, there's a lot of people that, despite of thinking that DT's music is pointless, they listens to them be cause of their skill, and that's ok, it's really enjoyable when you play some instrument and you see those technically high performances. My point is that if you love them or hate them, you must have a good reason, and there's no point in attacking others who doesn't think like you do.I also think that there are some DT haters that hates them just because they're skilled musicians and they like to show it and make some acrobatic playing, but they say that they hate them because of their pointless music. But if DT were formed by average players, they would just ignore them, and they wouldn't attack them.
Does anyone thinks tha same way?
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Posted By: slowfire85
Date Posted: April 24 2006 at 10:21
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I've seen them live and seen rudess/morgenstein live and it was excruciatingly boring. It's like: "Hey, look at me, I can really play my ass off on this instrument". They are overly technical and lack soul, I'm suprised they have not broken up and all formed solo bands named after themselves. They are overrated and they have spawned MANY boring wannabe bands. They are more technical metal than prog metal. I compare them to team USA basketball team: to many ballhog superstars, no role players. ------------- What is prog rock ? It is music that does progress. Progressive music takes a riff, turns it inside out, plays it upside down and the other way around, and explores its potential. K.Emerson |
Posted By: Maverick
Date Posted: April 24 2006 at 10:22
 Rorro, I do.
------------- In PROG We Trust |
Posted By: why not
Date Posted: April 24 2006 at 13:24
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Im a huge fan of DT. However, i agree with the idea that they play too many solos. Rudess is allright i guess, he does a lot of soloing but it often is nice to listen (SFAM,SDOIT). As for Petrucci, he kinda say "Hey look! i can play really fast." In the other i album he says "I can still do it". I dont know how their new album is going to sound, but i sure hope that they will go 10 years back,listen to Images and Words million times and try at least to copy it. Normally i never want bands to repeat themselves,but maybe it would be a rebirth of DT, when they realise that more emotion is more important that new speed record for playing 1000000000000 notes per second ------------- with a smile of a happy idiot |
Posted By: pechu prog 730
Date Posted: April 25 2006 at 05:34
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I DONT HATE DT JUST THE LAST TWO ALBUMS ARE BELOW WHAT WE WAITING FOR.I HOPE THE NEXT ONE IS A REAL DT ALBUM[LIKE I&W.AWAKE,COS OR SFAM] ------------- IT'S RAINING ON THE DARK SIDE OF THE MOON |
Posted By: Maverick
Date Posted: April 25 2006 at 07:00
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Clearly, Dream Theater has one of the best technique in playing. I don't think they just show thier talent. Yes, of course, they do, but thier music is superb. Real prog. If they are great musicians, why can't they show it? I can't understand, why are there lots of DT haters? DT creates a timeless music. It's not pop, it's prog, that's why many people just can't understand their music and some of them hate them for their talent. And that's wrong. Just sit and listen, then blame them. ------------- In PROG We Trust |
Posted By: MajesterX
Date Posted: April 25 2006 at 10:28
| Actually hating a band is a pure act of being uncivilized and immature. There is no point in bashing other bands, whether prog, pop, or hip-hop, it doesn't make sense. it's just entertainment folks! in the words of devin townsend. If you don't like it, don't complain about it or discourage another person from liking it! For example, if I had been good friends with a DT hater, they probably would have influenced me so to also hate DT, and make me not want to listen to them. If that had happened, I wouln't have discovered prog. If you really don't like a band, don't preach hate about them. Prog is a small "dead" genre (though it's not really dead as we all know) so we should be agreeing an promoting any prog we can, not discourage people from listening to it! |
Posted By: mrgd
Date Posted: April 26 2006 at 00:54
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I'm sure you mean Dream Theatre hatters otherwise it just don't make no sense. ------------- Looking still the same after all these years... mrgd |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: April 26 2006 at 05:23
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I'm not a fan of Dream Theater because their sound is too unoriginal and predictable. I feel they are missing an opportunity to make really great music. They are, after all brilliant musicians, but perhaps they need someone external to the band to write some music for them. They write songs 'in a box' which defines and limits their style, and they appear stuck there. On Train of Thought they tried to cross thrash with prog and the result was an unrelenting wall of technical, lightening fast bluster. On Octavarium they tried to recapture some true prog spirit with Floyd references and a more thoughtfull and conceptual approach to song writing, but in both cases I'm left with a sense of 'I've heard it all before somewhere else'
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Posted By: Vi0LaToR
Date Posted: April 26 2006 at 06:26
totally agree, do the same with transatlantic |
Posted By: Maverick
Date Posted: April 26 2006 at 09:18
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Poor Dream Theater.
Why are there so many rackets about hating/loving Dream Theater? There is pile of other bands deserving to be discussed. ------------- In PROG We Trust |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: April 26 2006 at 10:57
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^ Then go ahead and start threads to discuss them. This thread happens to be about Dream Theater thats why they're being discussed.. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: April 26 2006 at 13:24
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[QUOTE=mrgd] I'm sure you mean Dream Theatre hatters otherwise it just don't make no sense.[/QUOTE]
? ESL?
Hatter (one who makes hats):
 "don't make no sense" = double negative = "makes sense"
 You meant "it doesn't make sense." ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 26 2006 at 13:39
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This forum certainly keeps you busy Peter! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: April 26 2006 at 14:41
I know, the time spent changing text colors alone must be staggering! ------------- Pure Brilliance: 
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: April 26 2006 at 14:56
You ain't got no point there. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: April 26 2006 at 15:11
It sure could! For my own sanity (as well as not making everyone hate me), I let 98% of suchs things go uncorrected. (But that one was was just too "good" to resist.) ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Rosescar
Date Posted: April 26 2006 at 15:11
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So, I bought Images and Words and was quite dissapointed because of all the praise they get I expected them to be better. ------------- http://www.soundclick.com/rosescar/ - My music! "THE AUDIENCE WERE generally drugged. (In Holland, always)." - Robert Fripp |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: April 26 2006 at 15:17
Yes, that particular silly affectation of mine eats up oodles of time -- hope you appreciate it!
 (Stop and smell the flowers/admire the all pretty colours, as it were)!  ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: April 26 2006 at 15:23
^ I believe my eyes actually crossed at one point attempting to read that. 
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Posted By: Rorro
Date Posted: April 26 2006 at 17:16
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Damn, my monitor is black & white!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Posted By: Rorro
Date Posted: April 26 2006 at 17:17
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Damn, my monitor is black & white!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Posted By: mrgd
Date Posted: April 26 2006 at 19:46
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PETER, I am attempting to underline that hate threads are nonsense , in my view only of course. We should all be thankful that I did not split an infinitive ! I,myself personally feel that negative........[ah, got you again]......threads are unproductive, the subject of DT notwithstanding. My apologies for flagrantly foregoing grammatical tenets in an attempt to illustrate a point. My sentiments are well meaning. ------------- Looking still the same after all these years... mrgd |
Posted By: jesperz
Date Posted: April 27 2006 at 00:16
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Dudes, this ain't about hate thread.. but it is more like an exchange between those who dislike DT and those who likes DT...for those who likes DT will understand more about why others doesn't like it.. Well, there should be good enough critics so that we will take note of that and imply these critics for ourselves.. Those who have bands or whatever might play similar to DT music so these critics are contructive to them. You feeling me MRGD? Z' ------------- <<Dark side of Z' Drummination>> |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: April 27 2006 at 00:28
Yes, I really don't like "hate" threads either.
Sorry about the English lesson! I just can't resist, sometimes -- nor can I seem to switch off that part of my brain.
(I read & correct poor writing for a living, and now I habitually scan everything for mistakes.)I make them too, of course! ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: mrgd
Date Posted: April 27 2006 at 00:41
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TO JESPERZ: Interesting discussion about what we like and dislike about certain bands/albums etc.is always to be encouraged and is no doubt what this forum is all about. In my view though it's probably better not to use or imply "hate" in your topic header. Your point may become lost in discussion and/or criticism about the words chosen to be used . Negative threads can attract criticism about their negativity and not focus on the subject matter intended by the author. I, for one, don't like negatively framed threads,but this just my take on it. ------------- Looking still the same after all these years... mrgd |
Posted By: mrgd
Date Posted: April 27 2006 at 01:01
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TO PETER: You're the recognised inspector of the grammar police and I think it's great. You've got me double checking things eventhough I'm all thumbs and corrections can be painful.Love your work! ------------- Looking still the same after all these years... mrgd |
Posted By: jesperz
Date Posted: April 27 2006 at 11:44
Oops.. my bad.. I should have put dislikers than haters... Hmm.. how do u change title? LOL ------------- <<Dark side of Z' Drummination>> |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 27 2006 at 11:45
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^ Easy.Just edit your first post. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: jesperz
Date Posted: April 27 2006 at 11:57
Thank you Snow Dog! Hows the title now? 
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 27 2006 at 12:01
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Long winded?
A bit like dream theater. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: jesperz
Date Posted: April 27 2006 at 12:11
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Hahaha.. Prog guys are long winded isn't it??? When they try saying something like thank you, they love to add some solos before getting it to the point! ------------- <<Dark side of Z' Drummination>> |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 27 2006 at 12:13
True.....I was joking anyway, I absolutely love Dream Theater, they can be as long winded as they like! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: April 27 2006 at 12:36
More than 10 years ago when I first listened to Awake it really amazed me - and I did indeed compare it to a "Dream Theater" - it really fits. Of course some people seem to have a general problem with metal, and for these the band would more appropriately be called "Metal Dream Theater", just to warn them. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: mrgd
Date Posted: April 27 2006 at 19:50
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DT are excellent, agreed, but a touch on the heavy side for me.A very important band in the whole scheme of things, no dubt. ------------- Looking still the same after all these years... mrgd |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: April 27 2006 at 20:03
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I love them so much I'm sorry the holes in CD's are so small... ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: April 27 2006 at 20:32
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DT are among my favorite Prog-Metal bands, though they have some crap songs sometimes, but the rest is mostly excellent! Their most flawless albums are Awake and Images and Words, with SDOIT and TOT as close 2nds.
My current ratings:
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When Dream & Day Unite (would have been 4/5 if the production was better...)
Images & Words
Live at The Marquee
A Change of Seasons (the main track is 5/5)
Falling Into Infinity
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: April 27 2006 at 20:38
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My ratings of DT:
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Posted By: imoeng
Date Posted: May 15 2006 at 19:52
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I love them.. but just want to ask, what makes Octavarium got lower rating than the other albums? Personally I think its great... ------------- http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spmiw7.jpg"> 
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Posted By: Anguiad
Date Posted: May 21 2006 at 14:17
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Yes, Octavarium is great, but I guess many hate it because it was after ToT. I'm a fan, but haven't heard all the albums yet. My favourite is Awake! I just love how they blend metal and prog like that. Only one question though...is it true they released a cover album of Dark side of the moon?? ------------- "Tis your birth and faith that wrong you...not I." |
Posted By: Crookshanks
Date Posted: May 21 2006 at 14:27
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Octavarium's title song is the only noteworthy song on the album; it really saves it. I am a HUGE Dream Theater fan, I have all of their albums except the few earlier ones... and Petrucci is the f**king man. Liquid Tension Experiment is a great bnad also, I and LTE1 and LTE2. I just wish these guys were more mainstream, but when they tried that they failed. They are a unique band, not fit for everyone's ears. LaBrie does lack range however. :( |
Posted By: Dirk
Date Posted: May 21 2006 at 15:03
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Posted By: Dalkaen
Date Posted: May 21 2006 at 15:11
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I've been somewhat of a fan of Dream Theater for some time now. When I first listened to them, I was amazed; it was the coolest thing I'd ever heard. My first thought was "Wow, this is like video game music or something." I guess that thought stemmed from the usage of keyboards, but. . .yeah. The first album I ever heard was Scenes from a Memory and it's still my favorite. Not only does it showcase the technical skills of the band, but it has an interesting story. I still think the album is very good and I don't have many negative things to say about it. All of the solos and instrumental passages are, in my opinion, tastefully placed. The same cannot be said for Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence or Train of Thought. Octavarium bores me. Similarily, Images and Words bores me. Those are all of the albums I've heard, and I don't really have much interest in checking out more.
Listen to Pain of Salvation. They're nothing like that. Also, Slayer and Mastodon are in no way death metal. I can't vouch for SYL because I haven't heard them, but I don't think they are either. Slayer is thrash metal, and no one can seem to decide what Mastodon is. Some crazy mix of sludge, hardcore, thrash, and mathcore, no doubt. (Isis is awesome, by the way.) |
Posted By: Teaflax
Date Posted: May 21 2006 at 15:30
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DT suffer from the same problem as Spock's Beard or The Flower Kings:
killer instrumental sections interspersed with painfully pedestrian
vocal sections. Even setting aside the obligatory smarmy ballad that's
just plain embarassing to all three of these groups, as soon as a vocal
section comes in in a more rawkin' song, DT sound just like any ol'
Metal band around. There's no invention, adventure or anything
interesting about those melodies and harmonies. Basically, if you took out all the fiddly bits, you could assemble a bunch of songs that were pretty damned mainstream. That's not true of most of the Prog forebears, or even many of the Metal bands I do find interesting (like pre-Load Metallica) . It seems odd to me to spend all that time writing intricate instrumental sections and then not bother with making the vocal sections anything but predictable and middle-of-the-road. BTW: since they're mentioned above, I find that Pain of Salvation are much closer to getting it right, and tend to have much better vocal sections - especially on Be. |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: May 21 2006 at 17:40
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Posted By: imoeng
Date Posted: May 21 2006 at 19:55
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I start listening to prog because of Dream Theater, the flaw is just the vocal...
but LaBrie sings quite good is a studio, while maybe most of you guys saw him in a concert, which i hate as well.. Besides that, perfect ------------- http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spmiw7.jpg">
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