Part II
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Topic: Part II
Posted By: mr.burns
Subject: Part II
Date Posted: May 12 2006 at 17:02
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What do you fellas think about part two albums?And the one special album i have in mind is operation mindcrime part 2,a loads of bollocks if you ask me.Queensryche was once my favourite band,with the last album its just sad. ------------- Father Ted: Sheep like all wool-bearing animals, instinctively travel north. Where it's colder, and they won't be so stuffy. |
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Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: May 12 2006 at 17:07
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I think second parts arenīt as good as the first ones... a clear example is Tubullar bells II, maybe is not that bad... but nothing compared with the first... ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: May 12 2006 at 17:18
| When a band just decide to make a part 2 years after the original, it just smells of cashing in. I dont like them 'cause they never feel like a proper idea. |
Posted By: mr.burns
Date Posted: May 12 2006 at 17:20
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I couldnt agree more,like after 6 bad albums in desperation a band calls it next album something fans recognise and splash a II at the end.Voila,sellout! ------------- Father Ted: Sheep like all wool-bearing animals, instinctively travel north. Where it's colder, and they won't be so stuffy. |
Posted By: WaywardSon
Date Posted: May 12 2006 at 18:00
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Ahem!! (cough cough) After six bad albums? Maybe one or two.
Just waiting for The Progtologist to post his usual statement "I donīt consider Queensryche to be Prog Metal"
Wait for it folks!
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Posted By: mr.burns
Date Posted: May 12 2006 at 18:02
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Seriously,after empire its all been downhill:how many albums is that?4? ------------- Father Ted: Sheep like all wool-bearing animals, instinctively travel north. Where it's colder, and they won't be so stuffy. |
Posted By: wolf0621
Date Posted: May 12 2006 at 18:08
| They're usually not as bad as movies containing either "X" (as in 10) or "Return Of"/"Son Of"...I also generally don't care for "reunion" tours or "oldies" concerts...It's probably just me... |
Posted By: WaywardSon
Date Posted: May 12 2006 at 18:09
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After Empire was Promised Land, one of their best IMO
OK we can make it three not soooo good ones
Actually two because Tribe had some good songs and was a sort of turning point in a way.
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Posted By: moodyxadi
Date Posted: May 12 2006 at 18:12
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The nly part II album that I can remember now that sounds good is Helloween's Keeper II. But this isn't a real part two, because the whole story as conceived as a double album.
Can't say nothing about prog albums. ------------- Bach, Ma, Bros, Déia, Dante. |
Posted By: mr.burns
Date Posted: May 12 2006 at 18:13
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The only good one`s is warning,operation... and empire.I think i have the one after empire,but what a letdown ------------- Father Ted: Sheep like all wool-bearing animals, instinctively travel north. Where it's colder, and they won't be so stuffy. |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: May 12 2006 at 18:23
I think that they laid a foundation of sorts for progressive metal........weird that they get credit for that but Iron Maiden don't(IM was doing it before them,and better).When QR's first EP came out me and all my friends recognized it for the IM rip-off that it was,and The Warning was no better.
Empire,OMC and Promised Land are great albums...but can you honestly say those albums are progressive metal???? -------------  |
RycheMan wrote:Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: May 12 2006 at 18:28
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Metropolis pt2: SFAM is a great sequel.
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Posted By: WaywardSon
Date Posted: May 12 2006 at 18:31
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Mr Burnīs you are testing my patience!
Lie down with a good set of headphones and listen to the tracks "Somebody Else" and "Bridge" Just for those two songs!
"I am I" isnīt that great though.
Post a reply in fifteen minutes!
 (The Warning, MC and Empire are also my favourites)
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: May 12 2006 at 18:47
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i really Like Tubular bells 2 a lot, maybe as much as the first.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: May 12 2006 at 18:49
I agree with those songs, but I am I is great also. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: May 12 2006 at 18:49
Well I'm with you mate. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: May 12 2006 at 18:51
Me too. They are just mainstream Metal like Def Leppard. I like Empire though,in my opinion it is easily their best album. |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: May 12 2006 at 19:02
Well, SFAM was only a follow up to a song rather than an album, so I'm not sure that that counts. As for Queensryche, I agree with Jody, when I got greatist hits I was supprised how much Queen Of The Reich and The Lady Wore Black were like Iron Maiden. Rage For Order is a good album that people seem to miss but they definatly peaked at Mindcrime. Ayreons The Universal Migrator Pts 1&2 are both good but they came out at the same time. |
Posted By: CaincelaOreinim
Date Posted: May 12 2006 at 19:11
| I don't know much albums that are sequels than the above mentionees, but just think of cinema sequels. Live and let die I say. |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: May 12 2006 at 19:33
Pain of Salvation need to make The Perfect Element Part 2!  ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: WaywardSon
Date Posted: May 12 2006 at 19:37
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Seems like all the Admin and Special Collabarators have all sent PMīs to each other to say "We will teach this naive young Senior a thing or two!"
Queensryche were definitely influenced a lot by Maiden and Priest(who probably influenced Maiden) Priest were more than likely influenced by Sabbath, just natural progression. Queensrycheīs EP was metal, I agree with that. The Warning had the beginnings of what would evolve into Prog Metal. The song" Road to Madness" with the lyrics "I must explore the boundaries" or something very similar were used in "A change of seasons" by DT. The thought provoking lyrics were a first for a metal band.
A concept album by a heavy metal band was unheard of at the time (Maybe Savatage was first with that one, Iīm not sure) Sister Mary Suite would be the most Prog song on the album.
When Silent Lucidity came out, one of the guys in DT said "We wanted to write a song about dream control but Queensryche beat us to it"
With each release they were becoming more progressive, reaching their peak with Promised Land.
There were about three or four progressive songs on each album, but if you analyse each song by lots of bands there are sure to be many which arenīt what would be considered true prog (that includes bands like Kansas and Yes)
If you watch the DVDīs of Operation Livecrime and Scenes from a memory back to back, you will see how much Dream Theater took from Queensryche, even up to the big flashback scenes at the end of both DVDīs. Sure the musicianship in a lot of newer prog metal is far superior to Queensryche and I canīt argue about that fact, but most of those guys were at one time in their youth influenced by Queensryche.
So this IMHO is what makes Queensryche the pioneers of Prog Metal.
OK Admin, Special Callaborators and the hordes of angry DT fans..
Come at me...do your worst..Iīm waiting!!
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: May 12 2006 at 19:41
Well, since you asked for my expert opinion (  ), I can safely say that Queensryche is Neo-Prog.  ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: WaywardSon
Date Posted: May 12 2006 at 19:45
| ^^^^It actually does have some Neo-Prog sounding songs, thereīs a pretty thin line between the genres. |
Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: May 12 2006 at 19:45
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Jean-Michel Jarre's follow-up to his electronica masterpiece "Oxygene", named "Oxygene 7-13" is nearly as good as "Oxygene". A bit more modern in sound too. However, I agree that some "Part 2" albums is weaker than "Part 1", not always though.. ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: May 12 2006 at 19:56
I prefer Empire to all their others too. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: May 12 2006 at 19:58
There's no conspiracy here, I just agree with Progtologists opinion, and so does Tony R. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Marc Baum
Date Posted: May 12 2006 at 19:59
Queensryche EP: power metal
The Warning: melodic/progressive metal
Rage For Order: progressive rock/melodic metal
O:MC: power/progressive metal
Empire: prog related melodic/pop metal
Promised Land: art/progressive rock
HITNF: grunge/alternative rock
Q2K: alternative rock
Tribe: prog related alternative rock
O:MC: power/progressive metal
Yes, their albums are progressive, with some (bad) exceptions.
Good to have them back with some strength on O:M II, this album is a excellent sequel, no matter what others said, who haven't listened to it enough. It's a growing album, which is mostly different to the first part. Don't expect such a album like the first part, you will be disappointed instantly!
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Posted By: WaywardSon
Date Posted: May 12 2006 at 20:01
| Tony R, Def Leppard is mainstream metal? I always considered them rock, like Aerosmith, Van Halen etc.. |
Posted By: eddietrooper
Date Posted: May 12 2006 at 20:02
| Return to The Centre of The Earth is the second part of Journey To The Centre Of The Earth by Rick Wakeman and it has very good moments (specially the collaborations of Trevor Rabin and Justin Hayward) and sounds much better, although I still prefer the original. |
Posted By: nowayman121
Date Posted: May 12 2006 at 20:05
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If an album is set up to have a sequel, i.e being part 1 of something is understandable as it was anticipated and planned but to just slap a II on the end of an existing concept album whos story was finished by the end of the first album... I'm thinking its more for money then the music. Operation:Mind-Crime was an awesome album, number 2 was good but it was lacking something that the first one had. QR's got my vote for being prog ------------- Progressive: Intelligent music for intelligent people. |
Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: May 13 2006 at 01:31
I figured there will be a problem about it. I don't have that many of part2 albums, but I'm eagerly waiting for The perfect element pt.2  -------------
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: May 13 2006 at 01:34
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Not Prog, but I like Meatloaf's Bat out of Hell II (Back into Hell) much more than the first one.
Jim Steinman's piano moments are absolutely perfect in part two.
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: May 13 2006 at 01:38
When Leppard came out they were one of the frontrunner bands in the New Wave of British Heavy Metal,right alongside bands like Iron Maiden,Saxon,etc.
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: May 13 2006 at 02:01
I've never liked Def Leppard much, but as far as I can remember they started out as part of the New Wave of British Heavy Metal in the early '80s - then they became more American-sounding, with big choruses, etc. I think the comparison with Van Halen and Aerosmith is a good one (though Aerosmith are by far the better musicians), though Queensryche have never sounded like that. Their first EP was definitely inspired by Priest (especially as regards the vocal style), then they became gradually more progressive. However, as I have often said here, I don't think they were much more progressive then Iron Maiden, who are not included in PA.
Back to Part II... I was planning to get OM:2, but I've read so many contrasting things so far. I also think that sequels are hardly ever as good as the original - but one can never tell.
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Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: May 13 2006 at 04:40
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Gong: Radio Gnome Invisible Vol. 2 - Angel's Egg is pretty great.
------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: DrGoon
Date Posted: May 13 2006 at 04:46
I liked Peter Gabriel 2 and Led Zeppelin 2. 
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Posted By: martinprog77
Date Posted: May 13 2006 at 04:54
------------- Nothing can last there are no second chances. Never give a day away. Always live for today. |
Posted By: WaywardSon
Date Posted: May 13 2006 at 09:11
I forgot about the first Def Leppard albums, I suppose you are right Progtologist, I remember them being part of NWOBHM.
After High n Dry they went more mainstream rock.
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Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: May 13 2006 at 09:14
Eloy's Ocean 2 is surprisingly lush and relaxing considering it came something like 25 years after the original. but I have a soft spot for everything that Eloy do, I could be very biased. 
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Posted By: Tristan Mulders
Date Posted: May 13 2006 at 09:45
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It can be bad it can be good. Look at Riverside... their second album (which is part 2 of a trilogy) is really great and a continuation of the first one!  ------------- Interested in my reviews? You can find them http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=784 - HERE "...He will search until He's found a Way to take the Days..." |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: May 13 2006 at 09:52
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Well, let's hope that The Perfect Element Pt 2 will be as good as The Perfect Element Pt 1 ... whenever it will be released! ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to: 
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Posted By: mr.burns
Date Posted: May 15 2006 at 01:37
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Ofcourse there are exceptions,like there are to everything.But,and i say this in a most generous way.Generally pt II tend to be cash inn`s.And before everybody starts getting all enraged againyes there are good pt II as well.(scenes fromm a memeory being one of them)But then again,how many are there that are rubbish? ------------- Father Ted: Sheep like all wool-bearing animals, instinctively travel north. Where it's colder, and they won't be so stuffy. |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: May 15 2006 at 01:42
But it's a sequel to a song, and not an album  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: May 15 2006 at 01:43
Judging from what they've done so far, it should be as good (If they don't keep up the style of BE )------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: mr.burns
Date Posted: May 15 2006 at 03:17
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You`re so right,but i made my point: ------------- Father Ted: Sheep like all wool-bearing animals, instinctively travel north. Where it's colder, and they won't be so stuffy. |
Posted By: imoeng
Date Posted: May 15 2006 at 09:25
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Liquid Tension Experiment pt.2??? is that count? ------------- http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spmiw7.jpg"> 
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Posted By: theytsejamer
Date Posted: May 15 2006 at 13:09
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Posted By: billbuckner
Date Posted: May 15 2006 at 13:23
| I kinda liked Mindcrime 2, the lyrics weren't as good, but there's some good songs to be had, my favorites being "Hostage", "Re-Arrange you", and "Junkie's Blues". I also prefer the guitar work on this one to the original OMC. |
Posted By: Barla
Date Posted: May 20 2006 at 11:44
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"Metropolis pt 2: SFAM" is a masterpiece ...
Haven't heard "Operation Mindcrime 2" yet but the critics are not very good.
"Led Zeppelin II" can be considered a part 2 album ? Excellent classic.
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: May 20 2006 at 11:48
| Led Zeppelin II is not the second part of Led Zeppelin I. It's just their second album. Great album though. |
Posted By: wolf0621
Date Posted: May 20 2006 at 12:35
Empire's their most accessible, Mindcrime their best (especially lyrically, but should have been spelled "Mindcryme"...Sorry, I don't know how to get the 2 umlauts over the "y")...
Empire's a toe tapper, open the car windows & step on the gas...
Mindcryme has fiber (it kept me regular for weeks)...Added bonus: It may have p*ssed off some conservatives who (still) don't believe that politics (or anything other than love letters or country lyrics) belongs in music. Are you listening, Congress...? I fear Zappa's appearance fell on deaf ears( transcript of letter at: http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=600529 - http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=600529 , if anyone's interested)...
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Posted By: wolf0621
Date Posted: May 20 2006 at 12:47
What??? By extension, are you saying that Zeppelin IV (that's "4", not "IV" as in the drip to keep you alive - no irony intended) is not the fourth part of Zep I? Dude, you're harshing my buzz!
The real offenders are bands who record "Part II's" of initial hit records years later, then come out with live versions of those Part II's after their careers really tank. You know who you are...
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Posted By: Minkia
Date Posted: May 21 2006 at 15:16
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Yeah, but even Empire contained some bollocks. 'Silent Lucidity' anyone? ------------- RELIGION IS HATE, RELIGION IS FEAR, RELIGION IS WAR,RELIGION IS RAPE, RELIGION'S OBSCENE,RELIGION'S A WHORE |
Posted By: WaywardSon
Date Posted: May 21 2006 at 15:34
Silent Lucidity is brilliant IMO, A song about dream control. Listen on headphones to really hear what you call bollocks.
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: May 21 2006 at 16:45
Er, I don't know what "harshing my buzz" means, but Led Zeppelin II is not the second part of Led Zeppelin I in the way that Tubular Bells II is to Tubular Bells. And so Led Zeppelin IV is not the fourth part of Led Zeppelin I. It's not even called Led Zeppelin IV officially. It has no title. |
Posted By: Teaflax
Date Posted: May 21 2006 at 18:57
If you analyse each part of each song, Kansas have very few whole songs that are Prog, so... |
Posted By: WaywardSon
Date Posted: May 21 2006 at 19:11
In the 70īs Kansas had a lot of fully prog songs.
Iīm just saying that in the 80īs there were a lot of songs by big prog bands that were more pop or rock.
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Posted By: wolf0621
Date Posted: May 21 2006 at 21:44
Funny you should mention Tubular Bells, that one cost me part of my hearing via "good" headphones, so I'd recommend against Silent Lucidity on aforementioned headphones...LZ IV has plenty of names: IV, Zoso (JImmy Page's symbol, actually Zofo), "the fourth album" (per Plant), "the unnamed album", runes, "four symbols"...Don't know what "harshing my buzz" means? A Google search is in order pronto (that means fast)...A phrase not used much across the pond I suppose...
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