NEW SUB-GENRE DEFINITIONS (I like it!)
Printed From: Progarchives.com
Category: Progressive Music Lounges
Forum Name: Prog Music Lounge
Forum Description: General progressive music discussions
URL: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3486
Printed Date: August 09 2025 at 04:45
Software Version: Web Wiz Forums 11.01 - http://www.webwizforums.com
Topic: NEW SUB-GENRE DEFINITIONS (I like it!)
Posted By: Joren
Subject: NEW SUB-GENRE DEFINITIONS (I like it!)
Date Posted: February 06 2005 at 17:20
|
Am I the first one to notice? (and is this topic in the right place? THERE ARE NEW SUB-GENRE DEFINITIONS! I REALLY, REALLY, REALLY LIKE IT AND I THINK THE ADMINS DID A GREAT JOB! I also like the idea of the Key-bands, based on ratings. This site is becoming more and more interactive. A great improvement!
What do you all think? |
Replies:
Posted By: Rob The Plant
Date Posted: February 06 2005 at 22:17
Me too, I love the Sub Genres of all the NEW Prof bands, who shine in their talented glory! Don't you love Sub Genres Plodder! ANd aren't all these NEW Sub Genres greatly fitting for all these amazing and innovative NEW prog bands! What do you think Karnevil9?
------------- Collaborators will take your soul. |
Posted By: Rob The Plant
Date Posted: February 06 2005 at 22:18
|
Yah, the Key band idea is really handy, it's hard to choose which band to venture into next.
------------- Collaborators will take your soul. |
Posted By: chorus of one
Date Posted: February 07 2005 at 00:36
You could go through every band in the archives...that's what I did.
|
Rob The Plant wrote:Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: February 07 2005 at 00:42
|
Very nice indeed. I was hoping for such a listing, I'm very pleased with mailto:M@x - M@x , Ronnie and Maani
Another cheers for the Boys in command ------------- I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT |
Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: February 07 2005 at 02:50
Hooray! Canterbury and Fusion have been siphoned off!  However... The Tangent a KEY Canterbury band?! But really, I love the new listings. My only other gripe would be the contiuing absence of Kevin Ayers, but I'm sure that will put to rights when someone has the time. |
Posted By: chorus of one
Date Posted: February 07 2005 at 04:03
It is based on ratings, however I'm not quite sure why they're classified as Canterbury in the first place...  Otherwise though, great stuff I like the new additions! 
|
Posted By: sigod
Date Posted: February 07 2005 at 04:55
|
It goes to show that a lot of hard work has gone into this and it shows that people's opinions do count. Great job. ------------- I must remind the right honourable gentleman that a monologue is not a decision. - Clement Atlee, on Winston Churchill |
Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: February 07 2005 at 07:13
|
Thanks guys for your comments , really appreciated I need some double check on the band re-classification, can someone check if majors bands and others a correctly filed ?
Thanks ! ------------- Prog On ! |
!Posted By: Garion81
Date Posted: February 07 2005 at 11:17
Max, Great job overall. I notice Proto-Kaw is listed as a fusion band. Kind of hard to accept that considering they have a lead singer!
------------- 
"What are you going to do when that damn thing rusts?" |
Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: February 07 2005 at 12:48
I just changed Proto-Kaw genre to ART ROCK ...  Thanks !------------- Prog On ! |
Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: February 07 2005 at 13:11
|
Hey M@X! Good to see you've knocked the Tangent off the Canterbury
list, but I think you misunderstood my post concerning Kevin Ayers as
Ayers Rock now appears to be in their place! Kevin Ayers, sometime bassist for Soft Machine and a very quirky singer/songwriter in his own right has long been affiliated to the Canterbury scene, and though I wouldn't say he's a key exponent, I do feel he has a right to be listed on this website. Many of his earlier albums are still held in high regard by progheads worldwide (including me!). That's all I was saying in previous post. Hope that's clearer now... Sorry if it seems like I'm pushing you about! |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: February 07 2005 at 14:48
|
Max, the only "major" I've noticed which stuck me as misplaced is the Moody Blues. I don't think they've ever been classed as Folk prog. I would suggest symphonic prog where BJH ("Poor man's moody blues" |
) are. Art rock's another possibility.Posted By: Prog_Bassist
Date Posted: February 07 2005 at 15:15
|
I never noticed, cuz I just got back on after a couple weeks of having no internet. :(
well I say hello again to everyone im glad to be back. and ill check er out right now. ------------- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhuxaD8NzaY" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhuxaD8NzaY |
Posted By: Sweetnighter
Date Posted: February 07 2005 at 15:51
They're fantastic, good job admins! 
------------- I bleed coffee. When I don't drink coffee, my veins run dry, and I shrivel up and die. "Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso? Is that like the bank of Italian soccer death or something?" -my girlfriend |
Posted By: Glass-Prison
Date Posted: February 07 2005 at 16:34
|
Bravo, I think it is far superior. I would also like to pass along kudos for another thing: album covers no longer appear along the side bar on the band sites. This was extremely frustrating for those with slow internet, and the site is definitely more accessible now.
------------- Sun Tsu said: To fight and conquer in your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists of breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting. Sun Tsu: The art of War |
Posted By: maani
Date Posted: February 07 2005 at 17:05
|
All: Just for the record, I take no credit whatsoever for this, as I had nothing to do with it (though I also think it's great!). It was all Max and Rony this time. Peace. |
Posted By: DallasBryan
Date Posted: February 07 2005 at 17:45
Hooray to Max and Rony, JOB WELL DONE!
|
Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: February 07 2005 at 17:55
|
Thanks Guys ! ------------- Prog On ! |
Posted By: notphilip
Date Posted: February 07 2005 at 20:39
|
Good Job!
------------- http://drumrock.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5311&PN=1&TPN=1 - My Masters in Midnight Fade 20x16 10x9 12x10 14x11 13x7 LE bubinga MMX 10x5 firecracker |
Posted By: Prog_Bassist
Date Posted: February 07 2005 at 20:41
|
I like what I have came back to.
I didn't expect this place to be changed so much. It makes getting the internet back so much more worthwhile. ------------- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhuxaD8NzaY" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhuxaD8NzaY |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: February 08 2005 at 11:32
|
Love the new categories! Make much more sense - some bands might still be in the wrong category, though. Max and Ron: Are you sure you don't want a proto-prog category for psych/prog bands (Vanilla Fudge for ex.)? It is a very valid and fairly widely used expression for pre-ITCOTCK of King Crimson. |
Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: February 08 2005 at 11:35
|
Sean ! Send me bands/artists per genre ... 5 bands in proto-prog - psych/prog:
Thanks ------------- Prog On ! |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: February 09 2005 at 11:05
|
Hi MAX, After a good night thought and having checked on how many bands throughout our "catalogue" would fit in that Proto-prog category, most would come out of the Art rock sub-genre , but I can live with all of these bands being thrown in a "fourre-tout" sub-genre. So forget this idea for now! I will however make you a list of bands that I feel are in the wrong categories. |
Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: February 09 2005 at 11:07
|
Thanks !!! ------------- Prog On ! |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: February 09 2005 at 12:33
|
Ripaille & Quintessence should be in Folk prog. Paatos and Strawbs should be in Art Rock. Present and Aksak Maboul should be in RIO Lazona (post-rock) should be in Space/experimental (as Gybe is already) Gnidrolog and Alquin are not fusion and would best fit in Art Rock. Magellan should be in Prog Metal where Shadow Gallery already is. Gatto Marte and Uzva would best fit in either RIO or Fusion (the latter IMO). Gila and Amon Duul II can fit in Space (on the strenght of their first albums) but would fit better in Krautrock. As should Grobschnitt. Kyrie Eylison and Pavlov's Dog are definitely not neoprog (they were 70's band) but would fit better in Symphonic and Art Rock respectively! Iris is definitely neo, Anekdoten and Rush do not fit IMO in Art Rock > but where? As for Ruphus Zuphall although compared to Tull, they are certainly not folk prog > Art Rock You might want to supress one of the two entries for Wolf or Darryl Way's Wolf > same band. I think that Traffic would fit better in Art Rock but Folk is correct also.
That should keep you busy for a while
|
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: February 09 2005 at 14:15
I'd say the Strawbs should remain in folk prog. Their style has chopped and changed over the years, but they've always kept that folk influence. |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: February 11 2005 at 11:41
I meant to talk about this Bob! Some bands are really in two sub-genre!
Strawbs(folk and art rock), Rush (progmetal and artrock), Floyd (space and symphonic) and Amon Duul II (space and Kraut) are perfect examples of this. Why could we not imagine that two sub-genre be applied to one band , this might please almost everyone....... Read you Monday! |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: February 11 2005 at 14:37
|
H, I guess many of the bands on this site would straddle two or more sub-genres. Even Yes and Genesis for example moved between symphonic prog and art rock over the years. I guess in the end though it's about identifying the most appopriate sub-genre for each band as a whole. Given that the genre listings are database (field) driven, it would probably be complicating things too much for the already busy admins to have bands in multiple sub-genres! |
Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: February 11 2005 at 19:10
If we go further .... How about GENRE by Album ? ------------- Prog On ! |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: February 11 2005 at 23:28
|
Hi Max, until now only one complain, Uriah Heep is anything except Art Rock, call it Proto Prog Metal, Symphonic Hard Rock or anything, but they are not an Art Rock band. Art Rock by definition is the borderline between Prog' and Pop, defining bands that created simple forms of progressive, and Uriah Heep has nothing simple and no relation with pop. This are my two cents. Iván |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: February 12 2005 at 06:35
|
Max, Genre by album seems a it OTT to me. There's already a cottage industry in debating what genre's bands are in! At the end of the day the sub-genre is just a guide, the album reviews give the details. (I agree with ivan about Uriah Heep, and see my previous comment to about the Moody Blues.) Given the limited number of comments you've had on the sub-genres allocated, it looks like you've done a great job.
|
Within many albums are various styles on different tracks, where would it all end.
Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: February 12 2005 at 07:29
|
Ok guys, I've changed URIAH HEEP to Symp Prog, since I don't think they fit in PROG METAL. About MOODY BLUES, Art Rock is the GENRE I think defines them best. Now, about the GENRE of bands, what d oyou think of 1 or more genre for a band is it a good idea ?! Good idea suggested by SEAN TRANE !
Thanks for any comments
------------- Prog On ! |
Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: February 12 2005 at 13:54
|
Very good idea indeed!
|
Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: February 12 2005 at 19:22
| I agree with Hughes that Paatos should be under art-rock and that Anekdoten shouldn't be. But yeah, they're tough to classify. They're not quite heavy enough to be prog metal, but too rough (not to mention crazy) to be symphonic. They have nothing to do with conventional music though, so art-rock isn't the right classification. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: February 12 2005 at 19:39
|
Agree about the change in Uriah Heep, even though they have a very clear hard rock or metal edge, the structure of their songs (At least during the classic era) is clearly symphonic. And about Moody Blues also, they are clearly Art Rock during most of their career, only in the beginning they were psychedelic. Good call Iván |
Posted By: Valarius
Date Posted: February 13 2005 at 07:18
|
I tried that, but got bored halfway through B. |