The legallity of Copyrighted images
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Topic: The legallity of Copyrighted images
Posted By: Frank Zoppa
Subject: The legallity of Copyrighted images
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 08:56
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As many self important, people here have pointed out. Illegal downloading of music files is wrong and against the law. 'It's theft no two ways about it' are the cries from the members allowed to post opinions on the subject.
Right. OK . Fair enough. This post will not be about downloads. No more will be said on them. This post is more a hypocrisy detector... I would like to question the legality of the images used as avatars on this site. They are for the most part copyrighted and used without permission. I would also like to bring into question the big banner at the top of this page, promoting Prog Ebay auctions. Promoting ebay auctions will have a massive detrimental effect on artists sales. Artists receive nothing for ebay sales and in effect an ebay sale acts more like a negetive sale. The buyer will now never buy that product from an outlet in which some money will actually reach the artist. Also many, many CD sales on ebay are from people who have just copied the CD and are now selling on the original. This is illegal. But for the most part, ebay is legal, but has an incredibly adverse effect on recording artists and companies like Toff Records. So why is it blatantly promoted in an add on each page here? Does anyone receive any financial gain from ebay's banner, which is losing artists and retailers a considerable amount each year. But a much more serious offence is the theft of copyright imagery. Did some designer/graphic artist spend months designing a CD cover so it could be pilfered without permission and used as an avatar for some poster to feel his post has a nicer look to it. No ifs, no buts. It's theft. Why are there no disclaimers in each post stating that the views of the poster do not reflect the views of the copyright owner of the image used [stolen] as part of a representation of an individuals opinion?? So when you use an avatar..Did YOU ask permission from the person[s] of may have spent months painstakingly creating an image? If not you are breaking the law! As has been established theft is theft. No ifs No buts |
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Posted By: Wilcey
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 09:01
Yes. I speak for Toff when I say, that should anyone wish to use Pendragon artwork as an avatar on this forum then they are free to do so. (It makes our day when we spot a Pendies Avatar!) |
Frank Zoppa wrote:Posted By: Man Erg
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 09:02
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I have had loads of enquiries regarding the picture in my signature (Stackridge,Mr.Mick).Hopefully,this exposure will tempt people into buying the album. ------------- 
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 09:03
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On the issue of ebay, sort of, I very often buy second hand CDs...and that seems acceptable, but no money goes to the company or artist. I have often wondered about the legality of selling secondhand books/CDs, but there seems to be no problem if it was bought "once".
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 09:05
 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1585&FID=4 - Snow Dog Special Collaborator   Unsigned Bands Joined: 23 March 2005 Location: Wales Online Status: Online Posts: 12346 ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Frank Zoppa
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 09:07
If you are going to bring up illegal downloads you should be barred from this thread! |
Posted By: Wilcey
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 09:07
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 09:09
Its called a discussion isn't it?
Ok, I'll delete it. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Frank Zoppa
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 09:11
That is immaterial, many forms of media transference can create exposure and bring in extra revenue for the artist. But if they are breaking the law. They are breaking the law! Who did the artwork for your avatar? Are they happy to be associated with every opinion you make? Have you asked? It's black and white. Theft! |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 09:19
| Is a link to an image hosted on another site illegal? |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 09:20
What's to enquire? Its an album cover, one can see the title and the band. I don't get it.
 Hot nurse though.  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Man Erg
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 09:21
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The avatar is a picture used by a band called Shide and Acorn.The portrait itself in probably @ 400 years old.
I studied graphic design at Goldsmith's College,London. I had 3 designs used by large companies during the time that I was studying. (London Underground and RoSPA) I agreed to waive any copyright whilst at Goldsmiths with a view to popular exposure to my work. Subsequently,I have designed pieces for no fee for co-operatives.This has lead to good commissions and some nice contacts. Please don't lecture me on my opinions.I am very happy to be associated with every opinion that I make! They are never always the correct opinions but I'm damned if I'm going to pussyfoot about this world for the three score and ten years that I have been (hopefully)allocated. -------------
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Posted By: Man Erg
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 09:23
Who the band is and ,as you say,who the'hot nurse is.' PSome people buy albums just for the sleeve.I'm sure some people have bought an album with a Roger Dean sleeve either discover a band or to be disappointed by the music therein. -------------
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 09:30
Thats my point...to ask you the band and album is redundant,,as its clear to read on the cover!!!
Who is the nurse, she seems familiar. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Man Erg
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 09:32
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^ ^ ^
She looks like a the actress who was in The Biderbecke Tapes/Affair.Can't remember her name. -------------
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 09:34
Fitz's missus in Cracker? Don't think so.......similar though. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Man Erg
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 09:35
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Barbara Flynn ? I'll check when I get home. -------------
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 09:36
Thats her name....I'm checking now!!!!!  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Man Erg
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 09:39
See.Look at the interest...Now.Wouldn't you like to hear the album..? Thought not.  -------------
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 09:43
I remember them.......well the name I remember anyway.
Time to stop hijacking this thread I think.
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Posted By: Man Erg
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 09:52
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Look at it this way.
When people new to Prog want to buy an album by a band that they want 'invest' their money in,how do they recognise one album from the next? By the sleeve. So,off they go to Amazon,other sites are available; Other than by title,and this is not always the case,the sleeve is the only recognisable way to know whether you are buying the correct item/album.Do Amazon and the like pay copyright to display the album sleeves? -------------
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Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 09:52
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The owners of my avatar encourage its use, and offer it for free. ------------- a.k.a. H.T. http://riekels.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow - http://riekels.wordpress.com |
Posted By: Frank Zoppa
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 09:56
You seem to miss the whole point. You believe Having an avatar of a band helps promote the album/band etc. That is just your opinion. You are ofcourse entitled to it. Like I said, many other forms of media transference can be benificial to recording artists in many peoples opinions. My point is that.....It is illegal. It is internet theft. As Certif1ed stated in a previous thread 'If its not your s ie you didnt create it then its illegal' Surely people can't just cherry pick which laws they wish to adhere to and become self righteous when people bend or break the laws which fit their own personal moral code. Bottom line. It is a criminal act |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 10:14
I plead guilty ... but I also plead "fair use", which diminishes the guilt.
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Posted By: Frank Zoppa
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 10:26
So you acknowledge that you cherry pick the law to your own moral guidelines. Doesn't that render the long lecturing post on the legal music capaign thread [the thread I am not allowed to post on under threat of suspension] seem slightly hypocritical. You tell someone how bad it is to share copyrighted media but then blatantly do it yourself |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 10:29
if that's how you see it - fine. But just like there's a difference between stealing a car and stealing a CD, there's a difference between stealing a CD and stealing an image for the usage as an avatar in a forum.Do you know the concept of fair use? One of the aspects of fair use is whether your use of the copyrighted material diminishes the revenue the artists makes with that material. And sorry, if I use album cover art as an avatar please explain to me how that diminishes the revenue of the cover artist? Of course I know what you're trying to do here ... it will not work.  ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Frank Zoppa
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 10:39
Its nothing to do with how I see it. The fact remains It Is Against the Law. Just because you have decided it is a law that you hold in small regard doesnt exclude you from it. Its nothing to do with the diminishing revenue. The artist might not want to be associated with your opinions, you just don't know. Lets put it another way. Would it be ok to take pictures of forum members from the rogues gallery and use them as an avatar in a racist forum or porn forum, Ofcourse not!!!! So how the hell can you just assume that a certain illegaly stolen image can be used to florally embellish your personal opinions? Like I said. Hypocrisy! |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 10:43
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^ "Fair Use" is not something I made up ... it's an established legal concept in many countries. Of course it would not be ok if you used the picture of another person as your avatar ... in this case that person could sue you. Using a work of art is another thing ... the artists can still sue you, but there is a high probability that they would lose. And please forgive me, but I don't think that anybody would think that just because someone uses a Pink Floyd album cover as avatar that person speaks for Pink Floyd ... Don't you think that this is a bit childish? Well, if it makes you happy ... you win, we hypocritical criminals lose!------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 10:43
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I drew the tag and wrote the terrible poem in my signature. This is perhaps more petty a thread than any other. ;P ------------- FREEDOM OF SPEECH GO TO HELL |
Posted By: Frank Zoppa
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 10:54
So if someone used your image you wouldnt be happy, but your more than happy to break the law stealing other peoples artwork for your own benefit. Then you have the gall to lecture people on internet theft on another thread. So by your Pink Floyd artwork theft logic. I can hunt for a picture on you the rogues gallery and then use it as an avatar on a Racism forum and expect people to assume that just because an image of you is present, you have nothing to do with the thread. Ofcourse I win. Your argument is self centred and hypocrital. You assume that artists will automatically approve of what you illegaly do with there pictures, but are straight on your high horse lecturing others as to what is right and wrong with other media sharing formats. |
Posted By: NutterAlert
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 10:55
My avatar is a picture of me 
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Posted By: NutterAlert
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 10:56
yippee -2400 posts 
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Posted By: Wilcey
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 10:56
I knew it!
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 11:02
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Posted By: Frank Zoppa
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 11:03
What about the picture of VDGG??? It clear states on the website it is taken from //http://www.vandergraafgenerator.co.uk/#copyjump - http://www.vandergraafgenerator.co.uk/#copyjump that Please note Copyright exists on EVERYTHING within this website. Do not reproduce ANYTHING without express permission. - thanks! So is it your pic? Do you have permission. Does this apply to Mikenregalia?? |
Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 11:13
as far as i know if a picture is not being used for commercial gain any picture can be used off the internet, if the picture source has a problem with their images being copied they can "block" the save as/copy option.
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Posted By: Frank Zoppa
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 11:14
You say that you wouldn't mind if someone used your artwork but would mind if they used a picture of you... That's the whole point i'm making. You assume that because you wouldn't mind, you can then project your values onto whomever steal the image from. Thats why doing it is illegal. People like you tend to believe the law is there to fit around your own personal views and morals. Newsflash. It's not. The fact remains, you are stealing an image without permission. No ifs no buts. It would be very similer to distributing files illegally, but deciding that because you feel it's not harming anyone, it's ok. I think you've given lectures on this subject haven't you? Practise what you preach! |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 11:15
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^ Of course Frank Zoppa is right in pointing out that technically we would have to ask the rights holders for permission before using their work in this forum, either as signature or avatar, or even in the listening to threads where we post album covers. But I've never heard of any case where people were held liable for this kind of "infringement", and while the use may neither be educational nor for reviewing purposes, it still satisfies two of the four fair use "rules" (non-commercial, not damaging the profit of the author). ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 11:16
f a i r u s e  ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 11:17
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I'm happy I don't care about the law in a similar way to either Zoppa or the self-rightous ones here. I've got an Area avatar, and a Peter Hammill quote. Hope they forgive me. ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 11:19
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^ they'll sue the crap out of you!
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Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 11:23
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The Alferes appeared to me in a dream and told me I can use his picture and that he's proud of me... all I have to say is: Thanks, Joaquim! I'll do my best to spread the word. ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: Frank Zoppa
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 11:23
Fair Use to quote from wikopedia Fair use is a doctrine in United States copyright law that allows limited use of copyrighted material without requiring permission from the rights holders, such as use for scholarship or review. Your are using an avatar to embellish and dandify your own personal opinions. What has that got to do with scholorship or review?? Like I said, shoehorning the law around your own personal moral code! |
Posted By: NutterAlert
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 11:26
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I wander how long it will be before Frank Zoppa spontaneously combusts?
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 11:26
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I'm using my avatar to promote albums, in case you haven't noticed. And if you bothered to read my posts you would have found that I just said that it's neither for review nor for scholarship, but satisfies two other rules of fair use.
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 11:27
Probably just a few more posts ... ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Frank Zoppa
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 11:41
People can quote file sharing as promotion of products. But just as image theft, its regardless of what you think you are doing with them. Both actions are illegal |
Posted By: Man Erg
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 11:43
So,if you wear a T-Shirt with the image of a band's album sleeve on it,is that infingement of copyright? -------------
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Posted By: Frank Zoppa
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 11:49
It most certainly is against the law!! Why do you think there is official merchandise at gigs and bootleggers skulking around outside avoiding the law selling pirate Tshirts at quarter the price. Because the artist [graphic and musician] get a cut from legally sold Tshirts, but get nothing from the illegal sold merchandise |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 11:50
Still, much more people are being sued for file sharing albums than for using album covers as avatars ... ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 11:52
Is that the point though? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Frank Zoppa
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 11:54
Two wrongs don't make a right. Whether you think the law is wrong or right it is the law. You can't just select which laws you believe to be ones you will follow |
Posted By: Man Erg
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 11:56
 Really!?! Well the Mrs will be happy.I'd better throw out the drawer of T-shirts in my chest of drawers...Well,tall-boy actually. -------------
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 12:16
I never said that I'm a "perfectly legal" person ... sometimes I'll disregard traffc lights as a pedestrian or cyclist, and I've also committed many parking offences, and this year I didn't declare my taxes on time. The point is: Some things are worse than others. I have my opinion, you have yours ... and if you think that if MikeEnRegalia uses album covers as avatars then he cannot complain about file sharing, then I accept this opinion, but it won't change my own point of view. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 12:29
So you must accept Mike for the hypocrite that he is! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Frank Zoppa
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 12:35
I quite respect his honesty in that post. It's just a shame for him that when he next lectures someone on the morality or legality of media transference, he will become the archytypal person throwing stones in a glass house. His arguments will carry much less weight and he will be impacted with many rejoinders, doubting the sincerity of his views. 'Do as I say not as I do' so to speak |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 12:35
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^ I actually prefer "self-righteous" to "hypocrite", if only by a narrow margin!
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Posted By: Frank Zoppa
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 12:39
I stand corrected... |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 12:52
So if you disregard traffic lights you're a criminal and cannot accuse people of stealing or fraud? All offenses are equally wrong, from parking offenses to murder? I think that using album covers in avatars is not as bad as downloading albums on file sharing platforms ... it's my opinion and if this makes me seem hypocritical or self-righteous in the eyes of some people, then I have absolutely no problems with it. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: andu
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 13:02
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The only hypocrite I find in this thread is "Zoppa". As Mike said I'm also not the most legal man around, but at least I do not pose as the contrary, I do not pose as anything. However "Zoppa"'s attitude is not that of a true man of principles; he's only carried by his anger because of what happened in the "legal downloads campaign" thread. And as a side aspect, no accusation is brought like this: "Hey, your clearly doing something criminal - your a criminal". The one to bring proofs and prove his point beyond doubt is the accuser, not the defendant. This is only childish reaction due to hurt pride. ------------- "PA's own GI Joe!" 
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Posted By: Frank Zoppa
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 13:17
Quite a ridiculous argument. A bit like a burglar being a paragon of virtue critisizing murderers for committing much more serious crimes. How could he be taken seriously. It's immaterial that you believe which crime is less serious. What is apparant is that regardless of the crime, if it doesnt appear to be morally wrong to you, you will disregard the law. As for doubting the seriousness of ignoring traffic lights. I knew a young mother who lost her daughter through someone else believing the traffic light law was worth disregarding. Like ignoring traffic lights, image theft can have much further reaching consequences. You can go through lights and just drive away, or go through lights and hit a child. You are breaking the same law regardless. So stealing an image and using in your own personal comment can be using an album cover as an avatar in a prog forum or using a rogues gallery photo in a bad taste forum are both identical crimes. The same law is broken and in both cases the thief is breaking the same law.. The only differnce is that the rogues gallery picture taker is only stealing a quick snapshot, the album cover taker is stealing what might have took a graphic design team 6 months hard work. |
Posted By: Frank Zoppa
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 13:20
The gibberish you wrote above.. What do you think it means? |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 13:32
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 13:47
I think it means that you seem to be suffering from a severe case of sour grapes - it makes perfect sense to me.
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Posted By: Frank Zoppa
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 13:51
Why would I have sour grapes. The fact that in the legal downloads thread I was PM'd and told I would be suspended for airing my opinion on that thread seems to suggest that someone else had sour grapes.. |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 13:57
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I'm just interpreting the post for you - why you might have sour grapes looks like a question for you to answer ------------- The important thing is not to stop questioning. |
Posted By: Frank Zoppa
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 14:27
Thankyou for the interpretation A moot point though as I don't have sour grapes. Just a concise knowledge of facts and how they can be re-interpreted for self interest. |
Posted By: enteredwinter
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 14:35
No, it doesn't. It suggests that you broke a forum rule. If you think that an Admin has "sour grapes" because they're enforcing the rules around here, then you do not understand what that phrase means. To the Admins: IMHO this thread has completely derailed and probably should be closed, sorry if it's overstepping my bounds to say so. ------------- 
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 14:41
Hardly a moot point - it's apparent that many posters think the same - maybe it's the timing? ------------- The important thing is not to stop questioning. |
Posted By: Frank Zoppa
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 15:04
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Many??
I brought up a valid point about copyright theft. Is copyright theft not a serious illegal issue? Or do cherry pick which types of laws you choose to obey, and which ones you publicly revile? <quote>Please differentiate between FREE as in legally free and STOLEN, as in illegally free - it's not a hard distinction to make - and the principle's the same, except that with legally free downloads, the artist has chosen to have that greater audience. If the artist has not chosen that route, please respect that decision.</quote> A quote from you. You don't think that the Photographers, graphic artists, designers etc deserve the same consideration. Could that be because to are trying to be a musician yourself. Are your views on this more related to a self serving purpose?? |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 15:06
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Did I say that?
er...
No.
I didn't.
The whole context of this makes it look like sour grapes on your part is all I said, when I interpreted the post that you seemed to think was "gibberish", but it turns out you actually understand.
This is quite obviously a troll on your part - albeit with a serious discussion at its core.
Stick to the discussion itself, and this thread might not get locked. ------------- The important thing is not to stop questioning. |
Posted By: Frank Zoppa
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 15:08
Yes it is overstepping the mark. If you don't like the thread or don't agree with it , don't read it. Or do you believe views differing from yours should be censored |
Posted By: Frank Zoppa
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 15:12
Yes You Did!!!! Yesterday at 9.40 Page 4 of the Join The Legal Downloads thread 5th post down Is this selective memory. |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 15:15
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"You don't think that the Photographers, graphic artists, designers etc deserve the same consideration. "
My fault - I meant this bit. ------------- The important thing is not to stop questioning. |
Posted By: Frank Zoppa
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 15:20
You also say 'Taking without asking is stealing - how difficult is that to understand? It doesn't matter if you are eager to help - sometimes people can be too helpful and wreck things' Why do you say these things about music, but when it comes to copyright images you accuse me of being a troll? If you were a graphic designer would you championing the copyright image thread and calling those critisizing illegal downloads as trolls with sour grapes. Seems your opinions are a tad self motivated |
Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 15:36
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I can't believe this thread. I can't believe I'm answering. Illegal avatars issue is hilarious, and here's why: It is illegal. The legal proceedings might be taken. But, it's not a moral issue. Therefore, nobody will bother. There are acts that are criminal, immoral, or both. If a pedestrian crosses the street when the red light/don't walk sign is lit, but there's not a living soul or a one car for miles around, he's breaking the law. But no-one will think of him/her as a bad person or argue his/her morality because of that. Except hypocrits maybe. ------------- |
Posted By: NutterAlert
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 15:49
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Dear Admins, Can you ban Frank Zippo from his own thread? Just a thought. Kind Regards Concerned of England. ------------- Proud to be an un-banned member since 2005 |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 15:54
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One thing FZ.......getting into a war of words with Cert is fruitless.He will eat you for breakfast,the man knows his stuff.
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 15:56
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Posted By: Frank Zoppa
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 15:57
Yes I quoted some of his own stuff back at him and he has failed to justify it. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 15:59
1. "copyright theft" makes no sense ... nobody would want to steal copyright. 2. Even if the phrase made sense it would hardly be an illegal issue ... ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Frank Zoppa
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 16:01
I'm not making you look bad. You are doing fine on your own. I'm just putting your own argument back at you fo rthe theft of a copyright item. Dress it up any way you want. Image theft is illegal, whether you decide it is or it isn't. But there again you don't make the laws....do you? |
Posted By: NutterAlert
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 16:02
^spellcheckers are available on this forum 
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 16:06
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Just curious FZ...are you an artist? ------------- |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 16:13
It's all justified perfectly - I can't see your problem with any of "my stuff".
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 16:52
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I think that as long as usage of something doesn't hurt its creator, it's fine... when you download music you steal the artist's money, but when you use an avatar you only promote it(I bought several CD's because I saw them on people's avatars and looked up the band) Where do you draw the line anyway? Take my avatar for example: it uses Gojira's cover art animated by me, so who's is it, mine or theirs? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: Frank Zoppa
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 18:25
You, do not draw the line. The line has already been drawn. You either obey the law or break it. If I used Gojira's cover art as an avatar on a racist forum or porn forum would that be acceptable without permission? I think not. That's why laws are there in the first place. Thats why permission to use others artwork is essential. Would you like your artwork associated with racism? Even if you did you can't speak for all the other musicians, artists and designers who have their work pilfered and displayed as avatars expressing what could be deemed as controversial or illegal views |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 18:31
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Did you fly to Scotland in your Spacecraft FZ? ....fly back please...
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Posted By: Frank Zoppa
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 18:35
If you find a moderator who can correctly map my IP you will find I'm not in Scotland.. |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 18:37
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but you admit the Spacecraft bit, do you...
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Posted By: Frank Zoppa
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 18:38
As long as you don't think i'm ELO |
Posted By: yface1
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 18:38
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Why Scotland... we're packed with relatively normal people such as myself... Anyway, I'm sure he got here on his rocket-car like I did the other day. ------------- My entertainment dollar is burning in my pocket! |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 18:39
| http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6773&FID=3 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6773&FID=3 |
Posted By: Frank Zoppa
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 18:41
Hey, I heard you were me today... Hello me |
Posted By: yface1
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 18:42
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-> -> -> I like it! Anyways... do continue debating this on topic. I'll refrain from posting anything massive... ... ...for now. ------------- My entertainment dollar is burning in my pocket! |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: May 18 2007 at 19:55
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Closed,and will not be re-opened because of an issue with the topic creator,not because of the discussion. ------------- |