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Topic: good classical music...
Posted By: proger
Subject: good classical music...
Date Posted: October 10 2007 at 11:02
well, I love how prog combian classical music inside of him, but I dont know so many classic music good stuff...

I mean I only know peter ilyich tchaikovsky's nutcracker", and a little bit from the "swan lake"...


I loved some mozart and bach songs, but it was quite long time ago...

so if some1 know about good classic music for me, that I will know more about where prog take his classical influnces...

thanks!

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Posted By: glass house
Date Posted: October 10 2007 at 11:14
Four Seasons by Vivaldi. Peer Gynt by Grieg.
 
 


Posted By: fuxi
Date Posted: October 10 2007 at 11:32
Seems to me there's more exciting baroque music around than Vivaldi's FOUR SEASONS. Try these:

- Corelli's CONCERTI GROSSI performed by Trevor Pinnock and the English Concert. (Two CDs available at a reduced price.)

- Handel's CONCERTI GROSSI op. 3 performed by Richard Egarr and the Academy of Ancient Music.

- Rameau's suites performed by either Frans Bruggen (Dutch) or William Christie (French/American) and their period-instrument orchestras.

You just won't find more gloriously melancholic baroque music ANYWHERE! (Unless you look for vocal music, of course.) And there are lots of similarities with symphonic prog.

If you're a keyboard freak, try J.S. Bach, preferably played on harpsichord. The Goldberg Variations, the French and English Suites and the (4 CD) Well-Tempered Clavier are all great. (There's also a wonderful recording of the English Suites played on piano by Murray Perahia.)

What else?

Mozart's piano concertos, Berlioz' "Fantastic Symphony" and Schumann's solo piano music might all appeal to prog freaks.

If you're into King Crimson or Henry Cow, you'll probably enjoy Stravinsky and Bartok.

If you like ambient music, try Toru Takemitsu's DREAM/WINDOW, TREE LINE and IN AN AUTUMN GARDEN...


Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: October 10 2007 at 11:49
I am not an expert in classical music, but I've heard my fair share of it, and even been to a few concerts in my lifetime. Personal favourites of mine would be Rimsky-Korsakov's "Scheherazade", Mussorgsky's "Night on Bald Mountain" and "Pictures of an Exhibition", Stravinsky's "Rite of Spring" (saw it performed live - it was HEAVY, man!), Grieg's "Peer Gynt", assorted pieces by Sibelius... All music that has influenced prog to some degree or the other, and has often been cited in prog compositions.


Posted By: proger
Date Posted: October 10 2007 at 11:58
Originally posted by fuxi fuxi wrote:

Seems to me there's more exciting baroque music around than Vivaldi's FOUR SEASONS. Try these:

- Corelli's CONCERTI GROSSI performed by Trevor Pinnock and the English Concert. (Two CDs available at a reduced price.)

- Handel's CONCERTI GROSSI op. 3 performed by Richard Egarr and the Academy of Ancient Music.

- Rameau's suites performed by either Frans Bruggen (Dutch) or William Christie (French/American) and their period-instrument orchestras.

You just won't find more gloriously melancholic baroque music ANYWHERE! (Unless you look for vocal music, of course.) And there are lots of similarities with symphonic prog.

If you're a keyboard freak, try J.S. Bach, preferably played on harpsichord. The Goldberg Variations, the French and English Suites and the (4 CD) Well-Tempered Clavier are all great. (There's also a wonderful recording of the English Suites played on piano by Murray Perahia.)

What else?

Mozart's piano concertos, Berlioz' "Fantastic Symphony" and Schumann's solo piano music might all appeal to prog freaks.

If you're into King Crimson or Henry Cow, you'll probably enjoy Stravinsky and Bartok.

If you like ambient music, try Toru Takemitsu's DREAM/WINDOW, TREE LINE and IN AN AUTUMN GARDEN...


well thanks very much!!! I live the barock very much...


but I cant download this stuff!!! so how can I hear them?!?!? big problem

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Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: October 10 2007 at 11:59
A propos The Goldberg Variations -- as the thread starter likes VdGG, he might be interested in Hugh Banton's album The Goldberg Variations, where Banton plays it on the organ he's built by himself (if I'm not mistaken).


Posted By: Shakespeare
Date Posted: October 10 2007 at 12:19
ARVO PART


Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: October 10 2007 at 12:28

Holst - The Planets.  Both KC and Emerson Lake and Powell borrowed from this.

I've always enjoyed the 1812 Overture by Tchaikovsky, but that is probably because it was the theme music to the original Bad News Bears movies.
 
I have heard that Prokofiev has some pretty "rockin'" classical tunes, but I am not too familiar with him.
 


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Posted By: fuxi
Date Posted: October 10 2007 at 12:30
Originally posted by proger proger wrote:

but I cant download this stuff!!! so how can I hear them?!?!? big problem


If you live in Israel, I guess you could order the CDs through Amazon.com or Amazon.co.uk: they send CDs all over the world. Some classical labels (e.g. CHANDOS) have websites where you CAN download their music.


Posted By: sean
Date Posted: October 10 2007 at 12:53
Personally, my favourite classical is from the romantic period, although my favourite composer is Ludwig Van Beethoven, so i would recommend Frederic Chopin and Franz Liszt, especially if you're a piano freak like me. other favourites of mine are Mussorgsky's "Pictures at an Exhibition", Holst's "Planets", Orff's "Carmina Burana". But in my opinion you'll be hard pressed to find bad classical music, those are just some of the best in my opinion.


Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: October 10 2007 at 13:00
Originally posted by fuxi fuxi wrote:

If you're into King Crimson or Henry Cow, you'll probably enjoy Stravinsky and Bartok.

If you like ambient music, try Toru Takemitsu's DREAM/WINDOW, TREE LINE and IN AN AUTUMN GARDEN...
 
Checking out the liner notes of  the first two East Of Eden albums last night and noted one tune was annotated: "Based on a Bartok string quartet". I've heard the connection between Bartok and KC made a number of times. So my question: with which Bartok String Quartet should I start?


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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: October 10 2007 at 13:15
Originally posted by Ghost Rider Ghost Rider wrote:

................Stravinsky's "Rite of Spring" (saw it performed live - it was HEAVY, man!), ..................
 
Perhaps the most complex piece of music ever written.  And Igor was a "prog thinker". Anybody who would say, "My music is best listened to be children and small animals" is my kind of madman.
 
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Holst - The Planets.  ....

I have heard that Prokofiev has some pretty "rockin'" classical tunes, but I am not too familiar with him.
 
 
The Planets is the foundation for the career of famed movie music writer John Williams. Especially, Mars Bringer of War, Saturn the Bringer of  Old Age, and Uranus the Magician (the juvenile in me always giggles a bit when I say that). And yes, Mars is borrowed frequently in prog.
 
Prokofiev is most famous for Peter and the Wolf.
 
Great picks guys.
 
Other good stuff for the prog fan...
 
Bela Bartok - Think somebody mentioned him already.
Alberto Ginestera - Argentina born contemporary composer.
Ravel - Most famous for "Bolero", had some huge sounding piece as well.
Richard Strauss - Thus Spake Zarathustra is overplayed, but he has a lot of other heavy orchestral to offer.


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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: October 10 2007 at 13:18
Plenty of good suggestions here.  No one's mentioned Debussy though.  Any of his more famous material is excellent progressive classical.

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Posted By: Abstrakt
Date Posted: October 10 2007 at 13:25
Originally posted by glass house glass house wrote:

Four Seasons by Vivaldi. Peer Gynt by Grieg.
 
 
 
Agree.
Bach's Organ&Harpsichord works are also great (of what i've heard)


Posted By: proger
Date Posted: October 10 2007 at 14:38
I love also symphonys lihe "merkury" symphony by hyden.
(sorrey about the mistakes...)

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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: October 10 2007 at 16:06

1. Messiaen's "Turangaglia Symphonie"

2. Rakhmaninov's Piano Concerti
 
3. Dvorak's Cello Concerto
 
4. Penderecki's "Threnody to the Victims of Hiroshima"
 
5. Vivaldi's "Gloria" (possibly the most perfect piece of choral music ever written, after the completed sections of Mozart's "Requiem").
 
 


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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: October 10 2007 at 16:07
Originally posted by proger proger wrote:

I love also symphonys lihe "merkury" symphony by hyden.
(sorrey about the mistakes...)


Symphonies like "Mercury" by Haydn? Wink


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Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: October 10 2007 at 16:12
Originally posted by Ghost Rider Ghost Rider wrote:

I am not an expert in classical music, but I've heard my fair share of it, and even been to a few concerts in my lifetime. Personal favourites of mine would be Rimsky-Korsakov's "Scheherazade", Mussorgsky's "Night on Bald Mountain" and "Pictures of an Exhibition", Stravinsky's "Rite of Spring" (saw it performed live - it was HEAVY, man!), Grieg's "Peer Gynt", assorted pieces by Sibelius... All music that has influenced prog to some degree or the other, and has often been cited in prog compositions.


When it comes to progressive rock I think those Russian composers listed above are a good way to go (Grieg is Norwegian and Seibelius is Finnish, but they fit well with the Russians) You might want to try some French music also Ravel, Satie, Debussy, Poulenc and later Stravinsky (yeah he became French, go figure).

I think I should add that the Russian composers are all about power and strong melodies while the French are a bit more laid back and subtle.


Posted By: paolo.beenees
Date Posted: October 10 2007 at 16:38
There's plenty of good classical music... where should I start from? I'll try to suggest something:
- Renaissance Polyphony is amazing: Palestrina and Despres are my favourite ones.
- Monteverdi's "Magnificat" and "Arianna's Lament"
- Baroque classical music is astounding: Vivaldi (besides his Four Seasons, try some religious music, like for instance the impressive "Nullo Mundo Pax Sincera"), Marcello, Corelli, Pachelbel (his canon is one of the most moving pieces in classical music), Purcell (his "Ode on St. Cecilia's Day" is simply wonderful)
- Bach is something completely different, my favourite one. Just listen how he could turn mathematics into trascendental music in his "Organ Variations on the Choral Von Himmel Hoch Da Komm'Ich Her"; I also go crazy for his "Goldberg Variations" (any version goes)
- Honestly, and there's no reason why, I'm not so fond of piano. But Ravel's piano concertos are really fundamental
- Stravinskij is a genius. Not only for the "Firebird" and the "Sacre du Printemps"; his "Les Noces" (I don't know if in English they are translated as "The Wedding") are really worth the while
- Contemporary classic is challenging, but also extremely rewarding. Try with Ligeti's "Lux Aeterna", Nono's "Il Canto Sospeso" and Stockhausen's "Kontakte".
 
 
...ok, let me add Mozart's "Zauberflote"


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Posted By: sircosick
Date Posted: October 10 2007 at 17:39
Bach's Magnificat. Haendel's Messiah. Mozart's Requiem. These are my top 3 of classic music. Check 'em! Tongue


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Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: October 10 2007 at 17:43
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

1. Messiaen's "Turangaglia Symphonie"


2. Rakhmaninov's Piano Concerti

 

3. Dvorak's Cello Concerto

 

4. Penderecki's "Threnody to the Victims of Hiroshima"

 

5. Vivaldi's "Gloria" (possibly the most perfect piece of choral music ever written, after the completed sections of Mozart's "Requiem").

 

 


Turangaglia Symphonie stands on its own as one odd piece of music and has some similarities to more adventurous progressive bands. It uses the Ondes Martenot, an early electronic keyboard that often sounds like something from an early science fiction movie, but more sophisticated than a theremin.

It is one of those pieces that sounds "modern" in any era, sort of like those 60s synth lounge records only less kitschy.


Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: October 10 2007 at 18:17
Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Originally posted by fuxi fuxi wrote:

If you're into King Crimson or Henry Cow, you'll probably enjoy Stravinsky and Bartok. If you like ambient music, try Toru Takemitsu's DREAM/WINDOW, TREE LINE and IN AN AUTUMN GARDEN...

 

Checking out the liner notes of  the first two East Of Eden albums last night and noted one tune was annotated: "Based on a Bartok string quartet". I've heard the connection between Bartok and KC made a number of times. So my question: with which Bartok String Quartet should I start?


Just buzzed through some Bartok looking for the Crimson parts, I have been curious about this too as Fripp said his aim was to mix Chuck Berry with Bartok.

The 5th movement of quartet number 4 sounds like Fripp himself. The 4th and 2nd movements are close too.
Also 3rd movement of the 6th quartet
2nd movement of No 2.
Some of the other records have less clear track divisions but I would say opening and closing of number 5 and apprx. 2nd movement No 3.


Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: October 10 2007 at 18:43
no-one mentioned Gustav Mahler so far, so I will: his symphonies (especially the 9th), his "Kindertotenlieder", his "Lied von der Erde", the "Lieder eines fahrenden Gesellen"; all of these are highly recommended.

another one that hasn't been mentioned: Robert Schumann. here I recommend his symphonies (especially his 3rd, the "Rheinische"), his "Dichterliebe" (a song cycle based on the lyrics of German poet Heinrich Heine), his a-minor piano concerto and "Manfred", a melodram based on the lyrics of Lord Byron. and since I am just listening to them on the radio: his 3 romances for clarinet and piano.

last but not least: Franz Schubert. here I recommend "Die Winterreise", a song cycle (try to get the version with Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau singing), his trout quintet, the string quartet Nr. 14 ("Death and the Maiden"), "Die schöne Müllerin" (another song cycle), his "unfinished" symphony in B-minor and his C-Major symphony (by today's usual way of counting his 8th; there was and is a bit of confusion and complication about counting his symphonies) and his many, many Lieder (over 600)


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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: October 10 2007 at 18:48
And if you want go past the decomposing composers, there's Steve Reich and Philip Glass.  Though they'd probably not be considered classical by classical music purists.

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Posted By: Hirgwath
Date Posted: October 10 2007 at 19:31
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

And if you want go past the decomposing composers, there's Steve Reich and Philip Glass.  Though they'd probably not be considered classical by classical music purists.


Glass's "Pruitt Igoe" is one of my favorite classical pieces ever. I need to see Koyaanisqatsi.

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Posted By: sircosick
Date Posted: October 10 2007 at 19:40
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

no-one mentioned Gustav Mahler so far, so I will: his symphonies (especially the 9th), his "Kindertotenlieder", his "Lied von der Erde", the "Lieder eines fahrenden Gesellen"; all of these are highly recommended.

another one that hasn't been mentioned: Robert Schumann. here I recommend his symphonies (especially his 3rd, the "Rheinische"), his "Dichterliebe" (a song cycle based on the lyrics of German poet Heinrich Heine), his a-minor piano concerto and "Manfred", a melodram based on the lyrics of Lord Byron. and since I am just listening to them on the radio: his 3 romances for clarinet and piano.

last but not least: Franz Schubert. here I recommend "Die Winterreise", a song cycle (try to get the version with Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau singing), his trout quintet, the string quartet Nr. 14 ("Death and the Maiden"), "Die schöne Müllerin" (another song cycle), his "unfinished" symphony in B-minor and his C-Major symphony (by today's usual way of counting his 8th; there was and is a bit of confusion and complication about counting his symphonies) and his many, many Lieder (over 600)


My bad....... I forgot Mahler. Kindertotenlieder is a masterpiece too Big%20smile


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Posted By: Soul Dreamer
Date Posted: October 10 2007 at 23:10
I recently saw the movie "Copying Beethoven" and I think the 9th symphony of Beethoven is one of the greatest I ever heard...Great movie btw!
Next to that, Chopin's 1th and 2nd piano concert are absolutely fabulous. I have the performance of Maria Joao Pires and the Orchestre National de l'Opera de Monte Carlo on Erato, and I love it...


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Posted By: sean
Date Posted: October 11 2007 at 00:01
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

no-one mentioned Gustav Mahler so far, so I will: his symphonies (especially the 9th), his "Kindertotenlieder", his "Lied von der Erde", the "Lieder eines fahrenden Gesellen"; all of these are highly recommended.

another one that hasn't been mentioned: Robert Schumann. here I recommend his symphonies (especially his 3rd, the "Rheinische"), his "Dichterliebe" (a song cycle based on the lyrics of German poet Heinrich Heine), his a-minor piano concerto and "Manfred", a melodram based on the lyrics of Lord Byron. and since I am just listening to them on the radio: his 3 romances for clarinet and piano.

last but not least: Franz Schubert. here I recommend "Die Winterreise", a song cycle (try to get the version with Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau singing), his trout quintet, the string quartet Nr. 14 ("Death and the Maiden"), "Die schöne Müllerin" (another song cycle), his "unfinished" symphony in B-minor and his C-Major symphony (by today's usual way of counting his 8th; there was and is a bit of confusion and complication about counting his symphonies) and his many, many Lieder (over 600)


As you mentioned Schumann, his piece "Erlkonig",based on the poem by Goethe is one i find very enjoyable.
Also, if you are to look into Robert Schumann, i recommend looking into some of his wife Clara's work. She too was an excellent pianist, perhaps even better than her husband.


Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 11 2007 at 00:12
pretty much anything by these 20th century rebels;  Honegger, Ives, Prokofiev, Barber, as well as earlier composers like Satie, Faure and Brahms 


Posted By: sean
Date Posted: October 11 2007 at 00:42
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

pretty much anything by these 20th century rebels;  Honegger, Ives, Prokofiev, Barber, as well as earlier composers like Satie, Faure and Brahms 


i still haven't listened to satie, although i greatly desire to ever since someone told me a piano piece i had composed reminded them of me. what would say is a good starting place for satie?


Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 11 2007 at 00:57
well of course his classic 'Gymnopedies' series is famous and very beautiful..  but you can't really go wrong with Satie, though the pieces may get a bit repetitive.. remember it was mostly written as salon music, to be in the background..  kind of early ambient

  


Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: October 11 2007 at 01:19
He called it furniture music. Big influence on the creation of ambient music.


Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: October 11 2007 at 02:54
Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

1. Messiaen's "Turangaglia Symphonie"


2. Rakhmaninov's Piano Concerti

 

3. Dvorak's Cello Concerto

 

4. Penderecki's "Threnody to the Victims of Hiroshima"

 

5. Vivaldi's "Gloria" (possibly the most perfect piece of choral music ever written, after the completed sections of Mozart's "Requiem").

 

 


Turangaglia Symphonie stands on its own as one odd piece of music and has some similarities to more adventurous progressive bands. It uses the Ondes Martenot, an early electronic keyboard that often sounds like something from an early science fiction movie, but more sophisticated than a theremin.

It is one of those pieces that sounds "modern" in any era, sort of like those 60s synth lounge records only less kitschy.
 
 
I've often heard proggers quoting Dvorak's Cello Concerto as the first piece of Prog (note, not Prog Rock!) ever - but personally, I think that honour goes to Beethoven's 6th Symphony, with the 5th being a kind of Proto-Prog Wink


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Posted By: cacha71
Date Posted: October 11 2007 at 04:25
Not really a fan of classical music but Orff's Carmina Burana deserves a mention here...

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Posted By: A B Negative
Date Posted: October 11 2007 at 05:09
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

And if you want go past the decomposing composers, there's Steve Reich and Philip Glass.  Though they'd probably not be considered classical by classical music purists.
 
The more recent music by Philip Glass sounds "classical" rather than "minimalist" to me. I really like his Violin Concerto.


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Posted By: Man Erg
Date Posted: October 11 2007 at 05:19
John Adams,The Kronos Quartet and Arvo Part are a few of my favourite 'modernists'.



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Posted By: proger
Date Posted: October 11 2007 at 16:15
Originally posted by paolo.beenees paolo.beenees wrote:

There's plenty of good classical music... where should I start from? I'll try to suggest something:
- Renaissance Polyphony is amazing: Palestrina and Despres are my favourite ones.

- Monteverdi's "Magnificat" and "Arianna's Lament"

- Baroque classical music is astounding: Vivaldi (besides his Four Seasons, try some religious music, like for instance the impressive "Nullo Mundo Pax Sincera"), Marcello, Corelli, Pachelbel (his canon is one of the most moving pieces in classical music), Purcell (his "Ode on St. Cecilia's Day" is simply wonderful)

- Bach is something completely different, my favourite one. Just listen how he could turn mathematics into trascendental music in his "Organ Variations on the Choral Von Himmel Hoch Da Komm'Ich Her"; I also go crazy for his "Goldberg Variations" (any version goes)

- Honestly, and there's no reason why, I'm not so fond of piano. But Ravel's piano concertos are really fundamental

- Stravinskij is a genius. Not only for the "Firebird" and the "Sacre du Printemps"; his "Les Noces" (I don't know if in English they are translated as "The Wedding") are really worth the while

- Contemporary classic is challenging, but also extremely rewarding. Try with Ligeti's "Lux Aeterna", Nono's "Il Canto Sospeso" and Stockhausen's "Kontakte".

 

 

...ok, let me add Mozart's "Zauberflote"


well thank very much! I love palestrina too...

I know some of your stuff, Im trying to download this stuff but its hard...

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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: October 11 2007 at 16:20
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:


2. Rakhmaninov's Piano Concerti
 
 
 


god I love Rachmaninoff's  work... which one though...  3 is the famous one... many including myself think the 2nd is best of the four

My favorite has ALWAYS been Rhapsody of a theme of Paganini.  That music will touch your sou.. it there is one that can be touched. 


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Posted By: BroSpence
Date Posted: October 12 2007 at 00:09
Bach's Cello and Lute Suites are good on both their original instruments and arranged for guitar

Beethoven's 5th and 9th symphonies are obvious starts although I prefer his various piano sonatas.

Chopin's nocturnes and mazurkas

Philip Glass's Civil Wars, and Music in 12 Parts

Steve Reich's piano phase, electric counter point, and trains

Dvorak's New World  Symphony (no. 9).  His other symphonies are good too and not nearly as appreciated as they should be.

Holst's The Planets

John Dowland's songs for lute

Isaac Albeniz's piano works (also arranged for guitar like the mega-famous Asturias/Leyenda)

Nikita Koshkin's The Elves Suite (guitar)

Stravinski's Spring Sacrifice is a start

Rimsky-Korsakov's Scheherezade

Bartok, Berlioz, and Brahms are good ones too! Bartok is far more different from the other two B's as he was modern, but he is great.


Posted By: zicIy
Date Posted: October 12 2007 at 00:57
i like to reccomend:  Girolamo Diruta - ´IL TRANSILVANO´
check it out , google it - an amazing organ stuff composed by fra Girolamo Diruta, in Venice in the year of 1593, in the honour and dedicated to His Highness, Sigismund Bathory, The Prince Of Transilvania!  a real "vampire style" organ music, imho! Wink
 


Posted By: cuncuna
Date Posted: October 12 2007 at 01:06
Daphnis et Chloe suites comes to mind. (Ravel). Also, check out Luciano Berio for some RIO aproach, and Ligetti for something like acoustic Tangerine Dream (early days),


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Posted By: asimplemistake
Date Posted: October 12 2007 at 01:14
I like a lot of minimalism, including John Adams (Short Ride in a Fast Machine) and Arvo Part (Spiegel Im Spiegel).  Umm theres a lot of other good stuff, that's just what comes to mind at the moment. 

There's also this one good song called something like Blue Shades I believe that's a great jazzy piece for a wind ensamble.


Posted By: andu
Date Posted: October 12 2007 at 01:21
Good classical music, what's that called? Pleonasm?

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Posted By: zicIy
Date Posted: October 12 2007 at 02:42
Originally posted by asimplemistake asimplemistake wrote:

I like a lot of minimalism, including John Adams (Short Ride in a Fast Machine) and Arvo Part (Spiegel Im Spiegel).  Umm theres a lot of other good stuff, that's just what comes to mind at the moment. 

 
...Steve Reich´s ´Music For 18 Musicians´ comes to mind... 


Posted By: proger
Date Posted: October 12 2007 at 07:16
can I have good recmodations about good conterto groosos, I like them...

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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: October 13 2007 at 06:01
Originally posted by sean sean wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

no-one mentioned Gustav Mahler so far, so I will: his symphonies (especially the 9th), his "Kindertotenlieder", his "Lied von der Erde", the "Lieder eines fahrenden Gesellen"; all of these are highly recommended.

another one that hasn't been mentioned: Robert Schumann. here I recommend his symphonies (especially his 3rd, the "Rheinische"), his "Dichterliebe" (a song cycle based on the lyrics of German poet Heinrich Heine), his a-minor piano concerto and "Manfred", a melodram based on the lyrics of Lord Byron. and since I am just listening to them on the radio: his 3 romances for clarinet and piano.

last but not least: Franz Schubert. here I recommend "Die Winterreise", a song cycle (try to get the version with Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau singing), his trout quintet, the string quartet Nr. 14 ("Death and the Maiden"), "Die schöne Müllerin" (another song cycle), his "unfinished" symphony in B-minor and his C-Major symphony (by today's usual way of counting his 8th; there was and is a bit of confusion and complication about counting his symphonies) and his many, many Lieder (over 600)


As you mentioned Schumann, his piece "Erlkonig",based on the poem by Goethe is one i find very enjoyable.
Also, if you are to look into Robert Schumann, i recommend looking into some of his wife Clara's work. She too was an excellent pianist, perhaps even better than her husband.

are you sure you mean the "Erlkönig" by Schumann? many composers set that poem into notes; there are versions by Carl Loewe, Johann Friedrich Reichardt, Carl Friedrich Zelter, Robert Schumann, and Hugo Wolf. the most popular version though is by Franz Schubert, and somehow I have the feeling you mean this version, because it surely grips you with its galloping rhythm. and yes, Clara Schumann née Wieck should definitely be looked into


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Posted By: fuxi
Date Posted: October 13 2007 at 06:06
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

And if you want go past the decomposing composers, there's Steve Reich and Philip Glass.  Though they'd probably not be considered classical by classical music purists.


You might say that Glass was "de-composing" even before he STARTED.


Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: October 13 2007 at 07:36

I like good piano concertoes, like the ones by Grieg and Schumann, and Rachmaninov's second.

Symphonies: I like Dvorak's 9th a lot, Beethoven's 5th and Mahlers 1st.
 
In my piano lessons I played a lot of Beethoven, Bach and Mozart piano pieces: always a good way to master the piano.
 
Personally I like national music a lot: I mean classical music with a folk music twist, like Brahms' Hungarian Dances, Rimski-Korsakov's Sheherazade and Grieg's Peer Gynt suites.
 
I like impressionist music as well, Debussy and Ravel, and  I also like mixtures of classical music with jazz, like George Gershwin did.
 
On top of it all, I like some modern classical music, bits and pieces from Philip Glass' works (especially piano versions of themes from Einstein On The Beach, and some parts of Akhnaten and Koyaanisqatsi). John Adams and Arvo Pärt fascinate me as well.
 
But there's much more that I like.
 


Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: October 13 2007 at 07:53
Originally posted by BroSpence BroSpence wrote:

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John Dowland's songs for lute
 
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Dowland is fantastic, and if you like that sort of music, I'd recommend "Ancient Airs and Dances" (essentially a more authentic interpretation of Resphigi's arrangements) by the brilliant lutenist Paul O'Dette. It also features the incredible talents and most amazing name of Rogers Covey-Crump, who is one of my favourite counter-tenors.
 
http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/details/55146.asp - http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/details/55146.asp
 
For those not familiar with Dowland, here's a treasure trove; http://www.classiccat.net/dowland_j/index.htm - http://www.classiccat.net/dowland_j/index.htm
 
Big%20smile
 
 


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Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: October 13 2007 at 09:11
Originally posted by fuxi fuxi wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

And if you want go past the decomposing composers, there's Steve Reich and Philip Glass.  Though they'd probably not be considered classical by classical music purists.


You might say that Glass was "de-composing" even before he STARTED.


Huh, minimalists don't compose they decompose, interesting.


Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: October 13 2007 at 09:20
Originally posted by andu andu wrote:

Good classical music, what's that called? Pleonasm?


Not really, have you forgotten about Mozart?

teasing somewhat

Mahler has already been mentioned, but Mahler's Fifth hasn't. Also Felix Mendelssohn, a man of heavy musical talent and heavier musical opinions (look up his take on Beethoven's Ninth!)


Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: October 13 2007 at 09:27
Originally posted by Hirgwath Hirgwath wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

And if you want go past the decomposing composers, there's Steve Reich and Philip Glass.  Though they'd probably not be considered classical by classical music purists.


Glass's "Pruitt Igoe" is one of my favorite classical pieces ever. I need to see Koyaanisqatsi.


That's actually part of a trilogy of movies that include Powaqqatsi and Naqoyquatsi.  All really cool videos.


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Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: October 13 2007 at 09:30
Originally posted by fuxi fuxi wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

And if you want go past the decomposing composers, there's Steve Reich and Philip Glass.  Though they'd probably not be considered classical by classical music purists.


You might say that Glass was "de-composing" even before he STARTED.


Ouch! But even though I like Glass somewhat, that is funny .


Posted By: fuxi
Date Posted: October 13 2007 at 10:44
Originally posted by proger proger wrote:

I love also symphonys lihe "merkury" symphony by hyden.
(sorrey about the mistakes...)


Very happy to hear that! Haydn is my favourite symphonic composer of all time. A few dozen of his symphonies sound a little formulaic, but since he wrote more than a hundred, that's no problem at all! I particularly enjoy the so-called "Sturm und Drang" symphonies, which usually include the 'Mercury' symphony, the 'Fire' symphony etc. (and once again there's an excellent 6-CD bargain box set by Trevor Pinnock), and the six 'Paris' symphonies: truly life-enhancing stuff!


Posted By: fuxi
Date Posted: October 13 2007 at 10:50
Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

So my question: with which Bartok String Quartet should I start?


I'm afraid I don't know the Bartok quartets (they're "on my list") but they're all supposed to be masterpieces, and they fit on two CDs, so I guess you can't go wrong...


Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: October 13 2007 at 12:14
Originally posted by fuxi fuxi wrote:

Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

So my question: with which Bartok String Quartet should I start?


I'm afraid I don't know the Bartok quartets (they're "on my list") but they're all supposed to be masterpieces, and they fit on two CDs, so I guess you can't go wrong...


You guys check my earlier post on the Bartok quartets where I map out the movements that are "Frippish" for those wanting to trace the Bartok influence. Number 4 is my favorite and full of passages that inspired Fripp and others.


Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: October 13 2007 at 12:17
Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Originally posted by fuxi fuxi wrote:

If you're into King Crimson or Henry Cow, you'll probably enjoy Stravinsky and Bartok. If you like ambient music, try Toru Takemitsu's DREAM/WINDOW, TREE LINE and IN AN AUTUMN GARDEN...

 

Checking out the liner notes of  the first two East Of Eden albums last night and noted one tune was annotated: "Based on a Bartok string quartet". I've heard the connection between Bartok and KC made a number of times. So my question: with which Bartok String Quartet should I start?


Just buzzed through some Bartok looking for the Crimson parts, I have been curious about this too as Fripp said his aim was to mix Chuck Berry with Bartok.

The 5th movement of quartet number 4 sounds like Fripp himself. The 4th and 2nd movements are close too.
Also 3rd movement of the 6th quartet
2nd movement of No 2.
Some of the other records have less clear track divisions but I would say opening and closing of number 5 and apprx. 2nd movement No 3.



Here it is. Four is great, a lot of variation between the movements, the 2nd movement is very strange. The rockin parts really rock in 5/4.


Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: October 13 2007 at 13:12


Posted By: Shakespeare
Date Posted: October 16 2007 at 21:52


This is becoming a favourite. Kronos Quartet with Franghiz Ali-Zadeh: Mugam Sayagi.


Posted By: Shakespeare
Date Posted: October 16 2007 at 21:54

This is another great one


Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: October 16 2007 at 21:56
Clint Mansell and the Kronos Quartet (sometimes Mogwai) score films better than anyone else I can think of. The soundtracks to The Fountain and Sunshine are emotional beyond words. I almost cried during the Fountain because of the visual beauty and music together.

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Posted By: Shakespeare
Date Posted: October 16 2007 at 21:58
Speaking of soundtracks, I'm quite fond of Howard Shore's for the lord of the rings series, as well as Nobuo Uematsu's (along with other Japanese composers) for the Final Fantasy and Kingdom Hearts (and other RPG) series. 


Posted By: A B Negative
Date Posted: October 17 2007 at 04:05
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Clint Mansell and the Kronos Quartet (sometimes Mogwai) score films better than anyone else I can think of. The soundtracks to The Fountain and Sunshine are emotional beyond words. I almost cried during the Fountain because of the visual beauty and music together.
 
Clint Mansell used to be in one of my favourite "grebo" bands many years ago - Pop Will Eat Itself.
 
Altogether now, " My favourite way of getting kicks, I go downtown and hustle chicks. Beaver Patrol!" Wink


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Posted By: paolo.beenees
Date Posted: October 17 2007 at 15:50
I've just discovered Stravinskji's "neoclassical" period... TERRIFIC!!! The ballets "Pulcinella" and "Orpheus" are so beautiful that leave me breathless.

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Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: October 17 2007 at 16:13
Stravinsky's neo-classical works are some of my favorites, almost anything of his from this period sounds great. You might want to check out Poulenc and Milhaud too.


Posted By: Shakespeare
Date Posted: November 14 2007 at 15:54
You know what I just realized? John Williams totally plagiarized Toru Takemitsu's 'A string around autumn' there are some identical melodies.


Posted By: Mr. Punch
Date Posted: November 14 2007 at 22:36
I saw Charles Ives mentioned.  He's probably my favorite composer.  Ives' Fourth Symphony is life-altering stuff.  Pretty much any of his work his worthwhile and challenging.
 
A little known 20th century composer that I rather like is Colin McPhee.  He incorporated gamelan into his music after being impressed with Balinese music he had heard.  Tabuh-Tabuhan is a surprisingly modern sounding piece that was published in 1936.


Posted By: Teh_Slippermenz
Date Posted: November 15 2007 at 01:50
Anything by Gustav Mahler, particularly his Symphony No. 9.


Dunno if any prog artists drew inspiration from him, but it's good classical music nonetheless.


Posted By: Shakespeare
Date Posted: November 24 2007 at 08:56
Originally posted by Shakespeare Shakespeare wrote:

You know what I just realized? John Williams totally plagiarized Toru Takemitsu's 'A string around autumn' there are some identical melodies.


Let me rephrase.

Williams copied Takemistu for the prequel films, and Holst for the original trilogy.

That Censored.

(Winter Was Hard is another new fave from Kronos Quartet.)


Posted By: JayDee
Date Posted: November 24 2007 at 09:11
Yo-Yo Ma
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NaVpv9jsTo&feature=related - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NaVpv9jsTo&feature=related


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Posted By: Shakespeare
Date Posted: November 27 2007 at 21:54
found another masterpiece




Posted By: Shakespeare
Date Posted: November 27 2007 at 22:30
Seriously, Lamentate is absolutely brilliant.

Get it NOW.


Posted By: bigmark35
Date Posted: November 28 2007 at 17:25
I love Chopin and Bach. Classical music is so incredible.



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