Red VS ITCOTCK
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Topic: Red VS ITCOTCK
Posted By: Guests
Subject: Red VS ITCOTCK
Date Posted: March 25 2005 at 15:03
I really prefer Red over any other Crimson album. What do you think? Is anybody on my side?
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Posted By: Tony
Date Posted: March 25 2005 at 15:14
| Red for me, but it's really cruel to ask such question... It's like choosing my favourite child (if I had any) |
Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: March 25 2005 at 15:28
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Red for me. I awarded both Red and ITCHYCOCK 5 stars. I would have to say that for a debut album, ITCHYCOCK is incredible, i listen to both of these a lot. ------------- The Worthless Recluse 
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Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: March 25 2005 at 15:29
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i think that this should have been a poll ------------- The Worthless Recluse
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Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: March 25 2005 at 15:31
| Red for me too, but Lizard, Lark's and Discipline are all superior still. |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: March 25 2005 at 15:35
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Chalk and cheese. They're both great! |
Posted By: Yams
Date Posted: March 25 2005 at 15:37
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Red, in my opinion, is the best KC has to offer. Simple music at its
best. And by simple I mean, no violins, no devices, no sound effects.
The musicianship isn't as percise as in Discipline, but it's a mix of
the improv in Larks' and the precisian of their 80's albums. Red is a brilliant
album. ITCOTKC is still a monumental album, though. It's highly atmospheric. |
Posted By: JrKASperov
Date Posted: March 25 2005 at 15:41
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ITCOCK is deceiptively simple. Red is deceiptively strange. I prefer Larks Tongues and Lizard  ------------- Epic. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 25 2005 at 15:42
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Now that you mention it, it really should have been one. |
frenchie wrote:Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: March 25 2005 at 15:43
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ITCOTKC for me. ------------- THIS IS ELP 
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Posted By: Dan Bobrowski
Date Posted: March 25 2005 at 17:14
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I would take Red, or any of the Fripp/Wetton/Bruford/Cross discs, over ITCOTCK. I would even take Discipline over ITCOTCK in my fuzzy little world. (U.K. too!) BUT, I would take ITCOTCK over any ELP release anyday. (Danbo dives to the tiled California floor to dodge the spike heeled shoe thrown 3,00 miles form New York.) Thanks, again, for the AH autograph. |
Posted By: Jimbo
Date Posted: March 25 2005 at 17:19
Sometimes I prefer ITCOTCK, sometimes Red. Today I'm feeling kind of RED 
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Posted By: Wrath_of_Ninian
Date Posted: March 25 2005 at 17:22
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Pretty different albums - why choose them in a head-to-head? Red was Kurt Cobain's favourite album of all time apparently. Probably because it didn't have Lake's whimsical faux-sensitive mumblings on it. I feel that Fripp totally commands Red, dragging Wetton and Bruford along behind, and for that reason it surely must go down as his purest work. Thus, it remains the most powerful KC album, although Larks Tongues comes a pretty close second. COmparing those two would have been a tougher head-to-head!!
------------- "Now all the seasons run together, and the middle days are gone..." |
Posted By: Dan Bobrowski
Date Posted: March 25 2005 at 17:26
How about GTR vs. ASIA? |
I really can't say much, I own botha-dem. Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: March 25 2005 at 17:54
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Red ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: March 25 2005 at 17:59
Defiantly Asia wins from GTR handsdown (only their first album for that matter)
I haven't got Red yet. but I liked most of KC's albums, so I'll go out and get Red aswel. ------------- I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT |
Posted By: Ben2112
Date Posted: March 25 2005 at 18:19
Red for me thank you. I love ITCOTCK, but other than "21st Century Schizoid Man", I think the songs are all a little too similar, dynamics-wise. I enjoy the adventurousness and avant-garde-ness of the MKII era.
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Posted By: Man Erg
Date Posted: March 25 2005 at 19:51
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RED
Followed by Larks Tongues ------------- 
Do 'The Stanley' otherwise I'll thrash you with some rhubarb. |
Posted By: integerspin
Date Posted: March 25 2005 at 19:52
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one of my first albums was in the court, xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [anecdote removed] it would go on a list of fav's. I can't remember Red, any one near Liphook in Hants[or is Surrey] care to go round to an ex's and get it back for me? ------------- Confusion will be my epitaph |
Posted By: Hangedman
Date Posted: March 25 2005 at 19:58
| Itcock is good, but it seems close to a sort of adolesence, i think people rate it higher than it should be rated because of nostalgia history or hype. Red all the way |
Posted By: Hierophant
Date Posted: March 25 2005 at 20:34
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I would say Red, although i havn't listened to ITCOTCK in awhile. I think ITCOTCK is more art rocky and symphonic than Red but Red is more rockable its almost heavy metal. Oh yeah, and starless is such a ridiculously good song. |
Posted By: ProgRockerJDS
Date Posted: March 25 2005 at 20:37
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Definately Red for me. While In The Court is an excellent debut album, it suffers from too quick production. What I mean by that is that the material didn't have a chance to evolve before recording, and if you listen to any later live versions of anything from the debut, you'll see what I mean. Red, however, is a sonic blast of an album; slick, glossy production, but still rough enough around the edges to bite you when you first listen to it. And that bite still grabs me more than anything on the debut. How about GTR vs. ASIA? Well, I only own and have heard the greatest hits album from Asia, and the GTR album plus a boot from the tour. But from the two, I would definately choose Asia. As much as I love Hackett and Howe, Asia has much stronger material(that is, at least the early Wetton years. I haven't ventured into their later works yet.) |
I really can't say much, I own botha-dem. 
Posted By: Dan Bobrowski
Date Posted: March 25 2005 at 22:06
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I lost a lot of CDs to my ex, too! She kept stuff she didn't even like, the |
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Posted By: Dan Bobrowski
Date Posted: March 25 2005 at 22:08
Yeah, I'd side with Asia. At least Wetton didn't sing like Jim Garten was playing cricket with his twins. |
Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: March 25 2005 at 22:55
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Red is absolutely amazing... ...lately, I've been enjoying live versions of ConstruKction Of Light material a lot...  ------------- https://soundcloud.com/erin-susan-jennings" rel="nofollow - Bedroom guitarist". Composer, Arranger, Producer. Perfection may not exist, but I may still choose to serve Perfection. Commissions considered. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: March 25 2005 at 23:10
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Everybody knows King Crimson is mot my cup of tea, but this two albums are an honorable exception, ITCOTKC as the only symphonic KC album has a special meaning for me. Red is something different, more agressive with an excellent track like Another Red Nightmare (I really identify myself with the lyrics) and probably the best KC track of their history, Starless. Very hard to select one, but I think I'll go with ITCOTCK. Iván ------------- 
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Posted By: topographic2112
Date Posted: March 25 2005 at 23:33
 ------------- "Rock is the medium of our generation." - Yes - "Release, Release" |
Posted By: BebieM
Date Posted: March 25 2005 at 23:53
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seems like I'm almost the only one taking ITCOTCK. I just love that album Red is great too though |
Posted By: chorus of one
Date Posted: March 26 2005 at 00:54
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If ITCOTCK had another great song instead of the 10 minutes of Moonchild-noodling, it might be able to compete. But no, Red wins. |
Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: March 26 2005 at 01:48
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That Moonchild noodling is just perfect to me! ------------- THIS IS ELP
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Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: March 26 2005 at 01:50
AFter listening to most of what you sent me, I can see why you would think so outrageously. You should really listen to some ELP just to get those dense ears of yours cleaned out!! Oh and you're welcome!
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Posted By: Yams
Date Posted: March 26 2005 at 02:41
But Providence is better. |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: March 26 2005 at 03:36
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The best are, without doubts:
In the court in the wake lark's tongue starless red is average, except the "red" piece |
Posted By: AngelRat
Date Posted: March 26 2005 at 05:48
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Red. But I love ITCOTCK very much too. And most of their other stuff too. -------------  |
Posted By: chorus of one
Date Posted: March 26 2005 at 06:55
I assume because you fell asleep and dreamed of a better song? |
Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: March 26 2005 at 07:51
ITCOTKC - My favourite KC - it was the first Prog Lp I ever owned and loved at the tender age of 14. Sentimental reasons for choosing over Red. My top KC's are: ITCOTKC; ITWOP; Red; Starless and Bible Black; Larks Tongue in Aspic; Lizard and Islands.  ------------- 
"Music is the Wine that fills the cup of Silence" - Robert Fripp |
Posted By: zappa123
Date Posted: March 26 2005 at 08:07
| For me Red is one of the 10 prog masterpieces of all times. |