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Topic: Art Zoyd´s albumsPosted By: el böthy
Subject: Art Zoyd´s albums
Date Posted: March 16 2008 at 22:44
Ok, I must admit I don´t have all the album... not by a long shot! But I have most of the important ones!
I think I´ll vote for Odussey, but Simphonie and Generation are just as good!
------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?"
Replies: Posted By: rileydog22
Date Posted: March 16 2008 at 22:48
That's tough. I like the first three about equally. Haven't really heard much after that.
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Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: March 16 2008 at 22:56
First six are all near perfect classics. Haven't listened as much to the rest I got as I probably should. Voted for Generations Sans Futur. A more melancholic than dark album.
------------- Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes
Find a fly and eat his eye
But don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: March 16 2008 at 23:15
Don´t you love the bonus track Ballad from Odyssey? I looooooooooooove that song, so beautiful
------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?"
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 17 2008 at 00:15
I'd feel comfortable enough voting if I had Phase IV. As it is, I really like the first three and Le Mariage du Ciel. I think I'd go with Musique pour l'Odyssee, but Generation sans Futur is about tied. A superb group.
------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
Posted By: Rainer Rein
Date Posted: March 17 2008 at 05:57
I like mostly earlier recordings and voted for Musique Pour L'Odyssee.
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: March 17 2008 at 06:14
An Art Zoyd thread???????
Maybe there's still hope for this place.
Please note that all the early albums will be reissued on Japanese Mini-Lp format later this year, including their first under both version (the original dates from 76 and they were only a trio back then, and the CD version is the re-recording with the full line-up, dating from 80.
I went for their fourth in the poll (I count their first twice, since they were distinct releases): Génération Sans Futur
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Posted By: Froth
Date Posted: March 17 2008 at 13:06
i really want to get some art-zoyd. which album would be the best introduction?
Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: March 17 2008 at 13:25
I'm going to vote for Haxan, since it splices together two things I really love - moody, almost martial industrial and chamber-prog rock. But I admire their early work, too.
Generation sans Futur is a nice place to start - it's comprehensive but not too long. Their latest is a really terrible place to start because it's by far their most noisy-dronish.
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: March 17 2008 at 13:32
Froth wrote:
i really want to get some art-zoyd. which album would be the best introduction?
Difficult to say really!!!
You might want to read my reviews on this site to check which might apply best as a starter. (I have been thanked for these)
But if you're sure you're going to like them (if you like RIO and Chamber Rock with a few Zeuhl twists), I'd say start chronologically
Have heard Univers zero, yet?
------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword
Posted By: febus
Date Posted: March 17 2008 at 20:40
Ah, i don't have to choose between SUPPERS READY or CTTE finally. what a relief!!
Gloire a ART ZOYD, another band sadly no one cares, even on a supposedly prog site.
I don't know all the albums cited, i'll vote for FAUST so moody, so threatening ,which happens to be the one that gets the most spin on my player......mention to their first 2 albums as well
Wish this thread goes to page 5 but sadly i doubt it.......
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: March 18 2008 at 06:16
febus wrote:
Wish this thread goes to page 5 but sadly i doubt it.......
We'll just settle for halfway down to page two and two bumps.
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Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: March 18 2008 at 08:57
Sean Trane wrote:
Froth wrote:
i really want to get some art-zoyd. which album would be the best introduction?
Difficult to say really!!!
You might want to read my reviews on this site to check which might apply best as a starter. (I have been thanked for these)
But if you're sure you're going to like them (if you like RIO and Chamber Rock with a few Zeuhl twists), I'd say start chronologically
Have heard Univers zero, yet?
All safe to start with: Génération Sans Futur or Le Mariage Du Ciel Et De L'Enfer.
Fantastic albums from a uniquely fantastic band!
------------- Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes
Find a fly and eat his eye
But don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: March 18 2008 at 09:31
laplace wrote:
I'm going to vote for Haxan, since it splices together two things I really love - moody, almost martial industrial and chamber-prog rock. But I admire their early work, too.
If your Art Zoyd favorite's Häxan, I find it even stranger that you can't get into Igor Wakhevitch (especially Hathor).
------------- Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes
Find a fly and eat his eye
But don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: March 18 2008 at 14:27
Oh, thanks for reminding me. I'll listen to Hathor during today's walk. =)
(and actually I found myself enjoying Docteur Faust the last time I tried it.)
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Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: March 18 2008 at 16:02
I voted for Le Mariage du Ciel et de l'Enfer. Really good album. All of the preceding ones are very nice too, as is Berlin. I haven't listened as extensively to the later stuff though.
Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: March 18 2008 at 16:27
I think the next one I will get is Häxan!
------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?"
Posted By: Apsalar
Date Posted: March 18 2008 at 17:36
Sean Trane wrote:
Please note that all the early albums will be reissued on Japanese Mini-Lp format later this year, including their first under both version (the original dates from 76 and they were only a trio back then, and the CD version is the re-recording with the full line-up, dating from 80.
Good news, this has been crying out to be done; the compilation disc with their first three discs really didn't do these releases justice. Do you know which label these are going to be reissued on? BTW, for those thinking of purchasing this first album when when I comes out I would suggest going for the '76 version as a three piece. If they are the same recordings as the vinyls the '80 version loses a little of the spark of the original and overall sound quite different. Not sure what others opinions on this are tho', I could be alone in these thoughts.
For me out of their earlier works twas a hard choice between Symphonie Pour Le Jour Où Brûleront Les Cités, Generation Sans Futur and Phase IV. Their first is probably the dearest to me, but for those who questioned a good starting place I think Phase IV would be a good choice, a very nice chamber album which refines much of what is covered in their first three.
I have not made my way through all their latter releases, tho certainly intend to, considering laplace's fondness of Haxan I will get this next. One of my first purchases from the band was Metropolis which is based as a soundtrack for
Fritz Lang's movie. This is a very electronic based album, but there are two additional tracks on the second disc one being an adaption of a ballet piece which fuse their electronic side with chamber which I find to be quite successful. I tried playing this back while vidding the movie, the match up was reasonably close but not exactly in unison.
The band used to travel out to Australia for a sound and film festival down here in Adelaide, unfortunately they had stopped coming to the festival by the time I had found an appreciation for the band. So I've never had to pleasure to see them live. I would be interested if anyone here can share their live experiences with the band, there multimedia presentations seem of equal importance to the music regarding some of their latter releases.
Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: March 18 2008 at 17:50
Phase IV gets my vote; it was the album where Thierry Zaboitzieff really started to flex his muscles as a composer (although he'd made significant contributions already) with the magnificent Etat D'Urgence. Gerard Hourbette raised his game as well, perhaps in response, and the result was a spectacular slice of RIO that other chamber prog must still be judged against. And the previous 3 albums weren't too shabby either!
It was my old prog buddy Sean Trane's reviews which made me listen to early Art Zoyd again and really appreciate what they were doing for the first time; if you're wondering where to start, read his reviews first!
------------- 'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'
Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom
Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: March 19 2008 at 03:56
Syzygy wrote:
It was my old prog buddy Sean Trane's reviews which made me listen to early Art Zoyd again and really appreciate what they were doing for the first time; if you're wondering where to start, read his reviews first!
That's a great idea, although I'd be much more generous with the fivestars myself.
Btw: That's nice to hear, Laplace. I think both Hathor and Docteur Faust are masterworks of a mad genious. I can't think of any other composer doing anything similar ever, really. (but Art Zoyd and maybe Shub Niggurath's got some similarities)
------------- Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes
Find a fly and eat his eye
But don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: March 19 2008 at 06:27
Black Velvet wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
Please note that all the early albums will be reissued on Japanese Mini-Lp format later this year, including their first under both version (the original dates from 76 and they were only a trio back then, and the CD version is the re-recording with the full line-up, dating from 80.
Good news, this has been crying out to be done; the compilation disc with their first three discs really didn't do these releases justice. Do you know which label these are going to be reissued on?
BTW, for those thinking of purchasing this first album when when I comes out I would suggest going for the '76 version as a three piece. If they are the same recordings as the vinyls the '80 version loses a little of the spark of the original and overall sound quite different. Not sure what others opinions on this are tho', I could be alone in these thoughts.
I received the info from Steve F from Cuneiform records, but it's nit his label doing it.
He gave me the info without a label name, but it' won't be until this summer, anyway. I'll keep you posted as soon as I get the info.
Indeed my first buy in that new series will be the first version of the debut album.
BTW, I went for Generation Sans Futur
.
------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: March 19 2008 at 06:29
Rocktopus wrote:
Syzygy wrote:
It was my old prog buddy Sean Trane's reviews which made me listen to early Art Zoyd again and really appreciate what they were doing for the first time; if you're wondering where to start, read his reviews first!
That's a great idea, although I'd be much more generous with the fivestars myself.
Tanks Chris!!
Christer, my reservation about 5 stars is one of the reasons why most people thank me for in my reviews. I am known as rather severe rater, it for most potential buyers, this is a plus.
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Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: March 19 2008 at 07:06
^I know. I noticed
I fivestar every album I consider ca. 85/90 to 100% perfect, and that's a lot of albums! Too far down to a fourstar for the stuff I really treasure. Should have been halfstars, or a 1-10 scale.
My ratings (without a review, and not collaborator) are worth next to nil here anyway.
------------- Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes
Find a fly and eat his eye
But don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: March 19 2008 at 09:52
Rocktopus wrote:
^I know. I noticed
I fivestar every album I consider ca. 85/90 to 100% perfect, and that's a lot of albums! Too far down to a fourstar for the stuff I really treasure. Should have been halfstars, or a 1-10 scale.
My ratings (without a review, and not collaborator) are worth next to nil here anyway.
I saw that!!
This can be fixed of course, 1- if you write reviews (three times the rating alone) 2- if you write well enough argumentative reviews >> it could lead tp prog reviewer status >> 10 times you ratings alone.
But also too many 5* ratings is not good, even if your manner is just as valid as mine.
BTW, re-listen to Jumbo's DNA, it really deserves more than 1 *
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Posted By: honganji
Date Posted: March 20 2008 at 06:48
u.B.I.Q.U.e is the best album for me.
Symphonie Pour Le Jour Où Brûleront Les Cités re-recorded version is also very good.
By the way, Symphonie Pour Le Jour Où Brûleront Les Cités original version will be reissued on March 25. This is the first reissue on CD. Also this original version has never been reissued on LP. Don't miss to buy if you like Art Zoyd.
Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: March 20 2008 at 10:01
Sean Trane wrote:
This can be fixed of course, 1- if you write reviews (three times the rating alone) 2- if you write well enough argumentative reviews >> it could lead tp prog reviewer status >> 10 times you ratings alone.
I find writing (good enough) reviews in english difficult and extremly time-consuming. My ratings with no review probably gets the value it deserves.
Sean Trane wrote:
BTW, re-listen to Jumbo's DNA, it really deserves more than 1 *
Ok, I need to locate my copy first. I know I can't stand the vocals, but a one star is probably unfair.
------------- Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes
Find a fly and eat his eye
But don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: March 20 2008 at 10:22
Rocktopus wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
This can be fixed of course, 1- if you write reviews (three times the rating alone) 2- if you write well enough argumentative reviews >> it could lead tp prog reviewer status >> 10 times you ratings alone.
I find writing (good enough) reviews in english difficult and extremly time-consuming. My ratings with no review probably gets the value it deserves.
Well actually I don't think it's getting a fair consideration! Neither was DallasBryan and Drain-O. All three of you have enough knowledge that your ratings deserves a bit more than other ratings, but it's not mydecision
Rocktopus wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
BTW, re-listen to Jumbo's DNA, it really deserves more than 1 *
Ok, I need to locate my copy first. I know I can't stand the vocals, but a one star is probably unfair.
Musically DNA is fantasticand so is Vietato (the next one) >> I gave both 5, I think. I agree the vocals are not easy, but they never are in Italian prog.
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Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: March 21 2008 at 05:50
^1. First, thank you. I remember DB ran an even stricter ratingscale than you, he actually meant that a one star wasn't that bad.
2. Two fivestars for Jumbo, and none for Art Zoyd?
Well, enough about all that: I'm not surprised that Les Espaces Inquiets seems to be the least popular 'classic' era album. But I think its just as great Le Mariage Du Ciel Et De L'Enfer, itsjust a little less catchy. This videoclip of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrRBD6lNDZs - Ceremony from that album, is a perfect introduction for both the album and the band.
------------- Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes
Find a fly and eat his eye
But don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: March 22 2008 at 07:48
Rocktopus wrote:
^1. First, thank you. I remember DB ran an even stricter ratingscale than you, he actually meant that a one star wasn't that bad.
2. Two fivestars for Jumbo, and none for Art Zoyd?
Well, enough about all that: I'm not surprised that Les Espaces Inquiets seems to be the least popular 'classic' era album. But I think its just as great Le Mariage Du Ciel Et De L'Enfer, itsjust a little less catchy. This videoclip of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrRBD6lNDZs - Ceremony from that album, is a perfect introduction for both the album and the band.
And you should see how severe I am with italian prog......, which goes to tell you how much I think of Jumbo.
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Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: March 23 2008 at 06:55
Listened to the three hour long http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=4716 - Metropolis in one go for the second time ever two days ago. Its impressive how vital, powerful and original they still are after over 30 years of making unpopular music.
------------- Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes
Find a fly and eat his eye
But don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: March 23 2008 at 23:34
rileydog22 wrote:
That's tough. I like the first three about equally. Haven't really heard much after that.
Pretty much the same here!
------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on!
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 24 2008 at 00:02
Rocktopus wrote:
Syzygy wrote:
It was my old prog buddy Sean Trane's reviews which made me listen to early Art Zoyd again and really appreciate what they were doing for the first time; if you're wondering where to start, read his reviews first!
That's a great idea, although I'd be much more generous with the fivestars myself.
Btw: That's nice to hear, Laplace. I think both Hathor and Docteur Faust are masterworks of a mad genious. I can't think of any other composer doing anything similar ever, really. (but Art Zoyd and maybe Shub Niggurath's got some similarities)
Art Zoyd and Shub-Niggurath certainly have similarities. Totally coincidental, since I hadn't read this before, but I was shuffling through some albums, and it happened to be Shub-Niggurath's Les Morts followed by Art Zoyd's Le Mariage du Ciel, and obviously I wasn't paying attention because when Zoyd was on I was thinking that I was listening to Shub-Niggurath and how bloody excellent Niggurath is. Both terrific anyway.
I just got Zoyd's Faust, by the way, very good. Still have to get Wakhevitch's Docteur Faust. Hathor is a wonderful album.
------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: March 24 2008 at 00:15
^^^^ Faust is by far the album I less like about Art Zoyd, from the ones I have that is. There is just to much "nothing" going on. When there actually is music its pretty good, but there is just too much... again, nothing
------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?"
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 24 2008 at 00:37
^ I wouldn't be surprised if as I listen to it more I grow to like it less.
------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: March 24 2008 at 14:10
^^^^ Nosferatu, although it also has some of this "nothing" in it, does succed in my opinion! There is some right down spuky stuff!!!
------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?"
Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: March 24 2008 at 14:14
Mariage, with Symphonie re-recorded (haven't heard the original) as close second. I am not familiar with all of their albums though - only these:
Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: March 24 2008 at 14:17
Sean Trane wrote:
An Art Zoyd thread???????
Maybe there's still hope for this place.
Please note that all the early albums will be reissued on Japanese Mini-Lp format later this year, including their first under both version (the original dates from 76 and they were only a trio back then, and the CD version is the re-recording with the full line-up, dating from 80.
I went for their fourth in the poll (I count their first twice, since they were distinct releases): Génération Sans Futur
By mini-lp I suppose you mean lp-replica cd? Either way, that's good news! I'm very curious to hear the first version of Symphonie!
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: March 25 2008 at 16:19
Joren wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
An Art Zoyd thread???????
Maybe there's still hope for this place.
Please note that all the early albums will be reissued on Japanese Mini-Lp format later this year, including their first under both version (the original dates from 76 and they were only a trio back then, and the CD version is the re-recording with the full line-up, dating from 80.
I went for their fourth in the poll (I count their first twice, since they were distinct releases): Génération Sans Futur
By mini-lp I suppose you mean lp-replica cd? Either way, that's good news! I'm very curious to hear the first version of Symphonie!
JOREN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
long time no read!!!!! You been chasing girls, that we don't read you around anymore???
So am I !!! I've never heard it either.
Yes Lp replicas Cd
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Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: March 25 2008 at 20:29
Sean Trane wrote:
Joren wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
An Art Zoyd thread???????
Maybe there's still hope for this place.
Please note that all the early albums will be reissued on Japanese Mini-Lp format later this year, including their first under both version (the original dates from 76 and they were only a trio back then, and the CD version is the re-recording with the full line-up, dating from 80.
I went for their fourth in the poll (I count their first twice, since they were distinct releases): Génération Sans Futur
By mini-lp I suppose you mean lp-replica cd? Either way, that's good news! I'm very curious to hear the first version of Symphonie!
JOREN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
long time no read!!!!! You been chasing girls, that we don't read you around anymore???
So am I !!! I've never heard it either.
Yes Lp replicas Cd
HUGUES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How have you been?
Chasing girls? Ha! Chasing cd's, more like! Uhm, I mean yeah, of course; I'm up to my neck in poontang.
You haven't heard from me in such a long time because I did the impossible: I left Hotel Progifornia. And even without a dramatic farewell post! I do lurk from time to time though, so I might make that final post once I decide to stop those activities as well.
Thanks for the info on the AZ re-releases!
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: March 27 2008 at 17:01
Joren wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
Joren wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
An Art Zoyd thread???????
Maybe there's still hope for this place.
Please note that all the early albums will be reissued on Japanese Mini-Lp format later this year, including their first under both version (the original dates from 76 and they were only a trio back then, and the CD version is the re-recording with the full line-up, dating from 80.
I went for their fourth in the poll (I count their first twice, since they were distinct releases): Génération Sans Futur
By mini-lp I suppose you mean lp-replica cd? Either way, that's good news! I'm very curious to hear the first version of Symphonie!
JOREN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
long time no read!!!!! You been chasing girls, that we don't read you around anymore???
So am I !!! I've never heard it either.
Yes Lp replicas Cd
HUGUES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How have you been?
Chasing girls? Ha! Chasing cd's, more like! Uhm, I mean yeah, of course; I'm up to my neck in poontang.
You haven't heard from me in such a long time because I did the impossible: I left Hotel Progifornia. And even without a dramatic farewell post! I do lurk from time to time though, so I might make that final post once I decide to stop those activities as well.
Thanks for the info on the AZ re-releases!
I figured you had grown tired of this place, plus your schooling must be haevy time-demanding, let elone the poontang also asking for attention AND time.....
Lurking or prowling????
Naaaaah, just keep around. Why become drastic and leave for good.
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Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: March 28 2008 at 04:27
Just keeping some good threads alive, here. I agree that Faust although not embarrasing or really bad, might be the least interesting album (I've got) by them. Even Marathonnerere has some really brilliant parts. Especially on part II.
How's the Nosferatu album? It seems to work brilliantly along with the images of the original http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFYdLsepvmE - Nosferatu movie in this clip .
------------- Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes
Find a fly and eat his eye
But don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: March 28 2008 at 12:03
I have the Nosferatu album but it was ages since I listened to it. Could do again and be back with an opinion.
Posted By: febus
Date Posted: March 28 2008 at 13:19
Whoah!!! an ART ZOYD thread going strong reaching page 3....with no ending in sight! great!
Next, the band will be a favorite for the next PROG tournament giving a run to KC.
Vive ART ZOYD!
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: March 28 2008 at 15:45
febus wrote:
Whoah!!! an ART ZOYD thread going strong reaching page 3....with no ending in sight! great!
Next, the band will be a favorite for the next PROG tournament giving a run to KC.
Vive ART ZOYD!
PAGE 3 ?!?!?!
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 28 2008 at 17:18
I'm actually rather surprised that there aren't many more AZ fans at the board. It's a big name in RiO, and not that inaccessible, is it? The most rated albums only have 13 ratings (which is a lot, of course, for most avant bands here).
------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: March 28 2008 at 19:28
The Nosferatu album is much more melodic, sort to speak, if you compare it to Faust at least. It´s quite sinister, thats for sure, but it´s not that ultra low long notes all the time, there are some parts with great interplay among all instruments! I think it´s a solid 3.5... if not a bit more!
Surprised to see that Marriage is winning! I thought the rest of their cathalog wouldn´t satnd the chance against the first three. Nice to see I was wrong!
------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?"
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: April 01 2008 at 08:28
time to hit the BUMP button
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Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: April 01 2008 at 17:12
Sean Trane wrote:
time to hit the BUMP button
Isn't that just a cheap ploy to keep this thread alive and close to the top of the page? If so, it's working nicely.
BTW, is anybody familiar with Thierry Zaboitzieff's post-AZ albums? I've heard some impressive sounding extracts, but I don't know that much about his solo career.
------------- 'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'
Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom
Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: April 01 2008 at 17:18
Syzygy wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
time to hit the BUMP button
Isn't that just a cheap ploy to keep this thread alive and close to the top of the page? If so, it's working nicely.
BTW, is anybody familiar with Thierry Zaboitzieff's post-AZ albums? I've heard some impressive sounding extracts, but I don't know that much about his solo career.
Im not familiar with his solo career either, but will definitely look into it. I really like his bass contributions to their sound!
Back to Art Zoyd, GSF is my favorite with them so far. I've got a kick on it recently! Now I must get all those albums after that one..
------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on!
Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: April 01 2008 at 21:38
Also, Art Zoyd.
Is that page 4 that I see lurking around the corner?
Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: April 01 2008 at 23:09
Bj-1 wrote:
Syzygy wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
time to hit the BUMP button
Isn't that just a cheap ploy to keep this thread alive and close to the top of the page? If so, it's working nicely.
BTW, is anybody familiar with Thierry Zaboitzieff's post-AZ albums? I've heard some impressive sounding extracts, but I don't know that much about his solo career.
Im not familiar with his solo career either, but will definitely look into it. I really like his bass contributions to their sound!
Back to Art Zoyd, GSF is my favorite with them so far. I've got a kick on it recently! Now I must get all those albums after that one..
Uh I´d be more than interested to lsiten to his post AZ stuff. Zaboitzieff is one of my all time favorite bass players!!!
------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?"
Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: April 02 2008 at 06:56
One aspect of Art Zoyd's music that's rarely talked about, is the sheer beauty of the music. Sure, its dark and depressing, but far from just that. Especially the three 79-82 albums are full of stunning moments of melancholic and moving passages.
I'm sure I could easily make a compilation out of those three albums, and get my mother to love it.
------------- Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes
Find a fly and eat his eye
But don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: April 02 2008 at 08:39
Thinking about it, you're right!
One example is Divertissement from GSF. A really beautiful song, one of my favorites from that album. I really like Art Zoyd's contrasts between the painfully serious and the beauty in their works.
------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on!
Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: April 02 2008 at 14:24
But the most beautiful Art Zoyd´s song is, by far, the bonus track Ballad from Musique Pour L’Odyssée. So moving!
------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?"
Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: April 02 2008 at 17:37
Joren wrote:
Also, Art Zoyd.
Is that page 4 that I see lurking around the corner?
If people keep adding pointless replies like this one, page 4 could be with us very soon indeed.
------------- 'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'
Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom
Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: April 02 2008 at 18:01
I can imagine, the surprisingly sucessful Art Zoyd poll turning into the new Mariah Carey thread..
------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on!
Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: April 02 2008 at 18:08
Bj-1 wrote:
I can imagine, the surprisingly sucessful Art Zoyd poll turning into the new Mariah Carey thread..
Bit of a sharp contrast though; one thread inspired by some of the most innovative music to emerge from the French speaking world in the last 50 years...
...and the other thread inspired by Art Zoyd !
------------- 'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'
Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom
Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: April 02 2008 at 23:25
Syzygy wrote:
Bj-1 wrote:
I can imagine, the surprisingly sucessful Art Zoyd poll turning into the new Mariah Carey thread..
Bit of a sharp contrast though; one thread inspired by some of the most innovative music to emerge from the French speaking world in the last 50 years...
...and the other thread inspired by Art Zoyd !
I still dont know which is which!
------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?"
Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: April 03 2008 at 06:41
http://www.headheritage.co.uk/unsung/thebookofseth/1505 - Art Zoyd: Sangria/Something in Love
Iv'e got this single from '69 (released 71), too. Its really cool. With cowbells!
------------- Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes
Find a fly and eat his eye
But don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: April 03 2008 at 08:43
Art Zöyd?
I remember seeing that single on a blog somewhere. Will look for it!
How does it sound compared to their early albums?
------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on!
Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: April 03 2008 at 10:03
Bj-1 wrote:
Art Zöyd?
I remember seeing that single on a blog somewhere. Will look for it!
How does it sound compared to their early albums?
In a word, unrecognisable.
It's also available on the Archives vol 1 (which gathers together the first 3 albums plus some odds & ends).
------------- 'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'
Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: April 03 2008 at 11:54
Syzygy wrote:
Bj-1 wrote:
Art Zöyd?
I remember seeing that single on a blog somewhere. Will look for it!
How does it sound compared to their early albums?
In a word, unrecognisable.
It's also available on the Archives vol 1 (which gathers together the first 3 albums plus some odds & ends).
Yup, It's more of a hard rock thing if I remember well. No members from the later Art Zoyd group, but apparently, they decided there was a link.
PAGE IV or PHASE IV???
------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword
Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: April 03 2008 at 13:09
Bj-1 wrote:
Art Zöyd?
I remember seeing that single on a blog somewhere. Will look for it!
How does it sound compared to their early albums?
What Syzygy & Sean wrote (click on the link under the cover). Its unessential, and might as well be another band. But I still like it.
------------- Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes
Find a fly and eat his eye
But don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: April 03 2008 at 14:27
Phase IV!!!!!!!
------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?"
Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: April 03 2008 at 15:24
OK then, I'll look into it eventually.
But now I'll celebrate page IV with Phase IV
------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on!
Posted By: febus
Date Posted: April 05 2008 at 16:56
Is there someone to recommend a web-store where to buy the first ART ZOYD albums??/ Amazon, they don' have or it's so expensive., EBAY..nada!.....maybe LOGAN knows????
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: April 05 2008 at 17:52
The physical albums are difficult (and/ or very expensive) to get, but if you don't mind digital downloads, then check out http://www.emusic.com/artist/Art-Zoyd-MP3-Download/11842762.html - http://www.emusic.com/artist/Art-Zoyd-MP3-Download/11842762.html
------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: April 06 2008 at 06:45
Joren wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
Please note that all the early albums will be reissued on Japanese
Mini-Lp format later this year, including their first under both
version (the original dates from 76 and they were only a trio back
then, and the CD version is the re-recording with the full line-up,
dating from 80.
By mini-lp I suppose you mean lp-replica cd? Either way,
that's good news! I'm very curious to hear the first version of
Symphonie!
I know I'm waiting for these myself, febus.
------------- Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes
Find a fly and eat his eye
But don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: April 06 2008 at 06:53
I'll try to get some of those re-issues. I have some vinyls but CDs would be handy.
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: April 14 2008 at 05:09
Not a useless bump
Apparently the Art Zoyd re-issues are available on their site and elsewhere!!!!
------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword
Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: April 14 2008 at 05:20
Seems I might never get my hands on this:
5 paper sleeve CDs+THE ORIGINAL PROMO BOX. Each CD has its OBI strip. 100 copies Limited.Already SOLD OUT.
------------- Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes
Find a fly and eat his eye
But don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: April 14 2008 at 06:03
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Sold out already!!!!
------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword
Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: April 14 2008 at 09:42
sh*t..
Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: April 14 2008 at 10:02
Damn, I think that box is available on eBay, though.. for only just under 200 bucks
------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on!
Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: April 14 2008 at 11:08
News about reissues unfortunatly cant hit home here, for if you think 200 dollars is too much to pay for you, imagine me!
------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?"
Posted By: febus
Date Posted: April 14 2008 at 18:51
IF this reissue was such a big success, i wouldn' t worry too much.....another serie might be on its way out.....we just have to keep a close eye not to miss it again.
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: April 15 2008 at 04:43
febus wrote:
IF this reissue was such a big success, i wouldn' t worry too much.....another serie might be on its way out.....we just have to keep a close eye not to miss it again.
I don't think the separate albums are sold out, it's the box-set. There was only 100 copies made, and I'll bet you'll find a third of them on e-bay soon!!!
I f**king hate speculators!!
------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword
Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: April 15 2008 at 10:15
Sean Trane wrote:
I f**king hate speculators!!
Seconded!
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: April 24 2008 at 13:43
Where Art (zoyd) and commerce collide...
I'd rather get my hands on the old vinyls than a new CD release, but I had wanted to buy the boxset. I wish it had not sold out so darned quickly because of those bloody speculators/ scalpers, but it's better that it sold so very quickly, in a way. I just wish it hadn't been bought by people as a way to make a buck rather than for musical enjoyment purposes.
edited for missing whole words from sentences (I've always been prone to typos, but missing words?)
------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
Posted By: song_of_copper
Date Posted: April 24 2008 at 16:38
Hee, I'm just having my first proper listen to some Art Zoyd (downloaded the 3-album thingy from eMusic).
What an interesting mixture!!
'Les Fourmis' is currently playing as I type this, and it's (seriously!) reminding me of an orchestral interpretation of Renaldo and the Loaf.
I'll have to come back here eventually when I've done more listening, and vote in the poll...
Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: April 26 2008 at 14:51
song_of_copper wrote:
Hee, I'm just having my first proper listen to some Art Zoyd (downloaded the 3-album thingy from eMusic).
What an interesting mixture!!
'Les Fourmis' is currently playing as I type this, and it's (seriously!) reminding me of an orchestral interpretation of Renaldo and the Loaf.
I'll have to come back here eventually when I've done more listening, and vote in the poll...
That set is excellent value, but I wound up burning the 3 original albums as seperate discs because Musique Pour L'Odyssee is cut in half; the music makes a lot more sense when you hear each album as a distinct entity. And of course, the version of 'Symphonie...' in that set is the re-recorded one from 1980 (or thereabouts).
------------- 'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'
Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom
Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: April 26 2008 at 14:56
Having got Marriage and having listen to it a few times I can say I find it a good album, but I still think its not in the same level the first three albums are. 3,5 stars
------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?"
Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: April 26 2008 at 15:22
el böthy wrote:
Having got Marriage and having listen to it a few times I can say I find it a good album, but I still think its not in the same level the first three albums are. 3,5 stars
Although I like their later albums, I think they peaked with Phase IV. Etat d'Urgence is my all time favourite AZ piece.
------------- 'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'
Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: April 26 2008 at 15:41
I think that Le Marriage... is very good, but not as consistently enjoyable for me as earlier albums. It starts off in a fantastic manner that instantly grabbed me with "Sortie 134." The rest of the album required more patience on my part, but I do find it rewarding (I have to be in the mood). I'd give it a solid 4 stars, meaning "essential to any Art Zoyd aficionado's collection." :p
------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: April 26 2008 at 19:05
Syzygy wrote:
el böthy wrote:
Having got Marriage and having listen to it a few times I can say I find it a good album, but I still think its not in the same level the first three albums are. 3,5 stars
Although I like their later albums, I think they peaked with Phase IV. Etat d'Urgence is my all time favourite AZ piece.
Is the Phase IV vote yours?
I miss that album in my collection, I dont want to rush it with Art Zoyd, every album needs his own special time and then I get the next one. But I think, if I dont get my hands on Haaxen first, this will be next
------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?"
Posted By: Pnoom!
Date Posted: April 26 2008 at 19:16
Haxan is pretty good but not great.
Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: April 27 2008 at 06:42
el böthy wrote:
Syzygy wrote:
el böthy wrote:
Having got Marriage and having listen to it a few times I can say I find it a good album, but I still think its not in the same level the first three albums are. 3,5 stars
Although I like their later albums, I think they peaked with Phase IV. Etat d'Urgence is my all time favourite AZ piece.
Is the Phase IV vote yours?
I miss that album in my collection, I dont want to rush it with Art Zoyd, every album needs his own special time and then I get the next one. But I think, if I dont get my hands on Haaxen first, this will be next
Guilty as charged! It's the Art Zoyd album I'd rescue from a burning building (if I could only rescue one).
------------- 'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'
Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom
Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: April 27 2008 at 22:29
Syzygy wrote:
el böthy wrote:
Syzygy wrote:
el böthy wrote:
Having got Marriage and having listen to it a few times I can say I find it a good album, but I still think its not in the same level the first three albums are. 3,5 stars
Although I like their later albums, I think they peaked with Phase IV. Etat d'Urgence is my all time favourite AZ piece.
Is the Phase IV vote yours?
I miss that album in my collection, I dont want to rush it with Art Zoyd, every album needs his own special time and then I get the next one. But I think, if I dont get my hands on Haaxen first, this will be next
Guilty as charged! It's the Art Zoyd album I'd rescue from a burning building (if I could only rescue one).
Yeah, I was about to say why dont just rescue them all?
------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?"
Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: April 27 2008 at 22:32
Pnoom! wrote:
Haxan is pretty good but not great.
So which one did you vote for, my friend?
------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?"
Posted By: febus
Date Posted: April 27 2008 at 22:35
A good way to get ART ZOYD music on the cheap these days is to get on Amazon where you can download for example LE CIEL ET L'ENFER for ....$ 7.99!!! can't beat that!! sure you don't have the cover, but you can listen to it in your IPOD in the next 30 minutes
Soon, page 6!! Who could have predict it at the beginning when EL BOTHY started the thread
Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: February 19 2009 at 06:20
^Back on our way to page six, Febus.
Rocktopus wrote:
I'm not surprised that Les Espaces Inquiets seems to be the least popular 'classic' era album. But I think its just as great Le Mariage Du Ciel Et De L'Enfer, itsjust a little less catchy. This videoclip of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrRBD6lNDZs - Ceremony from that album, is a perfect introduction for both the album and the band.
I actually prefer every Art Zoyd album released before Le Mariage Du Ciel Et De L'Enfer. I'm listening and rediscovering how briliant Les Espaces Inquiets is and I find it strange that most seem to go for the "follow up". Mariage... is very good, but their first that gets me a little bored before I get to the last track. Is it simply more well known, or easier to find than the earlier releases?
------------- Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes
Find a fly and eat his eye
But don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: February 19 2009 at 12:18
Rocktopus wrote:
^Bock on our way to page six, Febus.
Rocktopus wrote:
I'm not surprised that Les Espaces Inquiets seems to be the least popular 'classic' era album. But I think its just as great Le Mariage Du Ciel Et De L'Enfer, itsjust a little less catchy. This videoclip of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrRBD6lNDZs - Ceremony from that album, is a perfect introduction for both the album and the band.
I actually prefer every Art Zoyd album released before Le Mariage Du Ciel Et De L'Enfer. I'm listening and rediscovering how briliant Les Espaces Inquiets is and I find it strange that most seem to go for the "follow up". Mariage... is very good, but their first that gets me a little bored before I get to the last track. Is it simply more well known, or easier to find than the earlier releases?
It is an easier CD to purchase. I'm surprised to see it leading too, actually. It doesn't have the most ratings, nor the highest here:
ART ZOYD Albums
../album.asp?id=4702"> 4.06 | 19 ratings
../album.asp?id=4702 - Symphonie Pour Le Jour Où Brûleront Les Cités 1976
../album.asp?id=4703"> 4.05 | 13 ratings
../album.asp?id=4703 - Musique Pour L’Odyssée 1979
../album.asp?id=4706"> 3.93 | 13 ratings
../album.asp?id=4706 - Le Mariage Du Ciel Et De L'Enfer 1985
On the whole, I don't rank it as highly as earlier Art Zoyd albums, but it's a four star album for me, and essential to my collection. I also get bored before the end. It can be tedious, and too ambient, but the album really grabbed me with the opening track -- that has been one of my most played tracks over the last few years, but I rarely listen to the album fully from start to finish. I suspect that in some it may be a vote for "Sortie 134" (first part), particularly, more than for the full album.
EDIT: Les Espaces Inquiets is really underrated (judging by the album ratings) in my opinion.
------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: February 19 2009 at 12:31
I only have through Phase IV, I'll have to get Les Espaces and Le Mariage, they're available on emusic.
Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: February 19 2009 at 19:10