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Posted By: TheRockShow
Subject: The Grunge Apreciation Forum
Date Posted: May 24 2008 at 10:39
pearl jam inspiered most alternative bands. alice in chains changed metal forever. and soundgarden started what many would call the greatest vocalist of all time's career. talk here about your fav grunge bands and other stuff. 
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Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: May 24 2008 at 11:21
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Cornell the greatest vocalist of all time? Music press today is so funny sometimes, like when they call Grohl the greatest drummer of all time  . Whatever they say...Anyways, as far as grunge goes I used to have fancy for it back in the day. I still stick around with Pearl Jam, their most recent studio album (s/t) was simply excellent! Songs like Life Wasted, Severed Hand and Gone were just wonderful! Of course their older stuff like  )and Vs. are quite good as well. Been meaning to buy Yield. But other than them I don't listen to the genre much anymore. Cornell as disappointed me with his solo releases and his last work with Audioslave was pretty meh (but Out of Exile was awesome). Soundgarden was best with Superunknown but I never got much into them. I should steal from my girlfriend's grunge collection more often - but there's too much good prog to be listening to!! (btw, this is probably going to get moved to "general discussions") |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: May 24 2008 at 11:30
| Yield is a great album, though I found Riot Act disappointing - and Ten is way, way better than the overhyped Nevermind! I love Eddie Vedder's voice as well, so warm, expressive and distinctive. |
Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: May 24 2008 at 11:35
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Not a Pearl Jam fan, not a Nirvana fan, not a Soundgarden fan and not a Candlebox fan, but... The Melvins are the definitive act in about four different genres, now. They seem to suit almost all fans of good music. They were even signed for a while, which makes me giggle considering the silliness - and sometimes, experimentalism - of their music. So good. and King Buzzo is in Fantomas too and even then, no-one talks about them here. remiss remisss =P ------------- FREEDOM OF SPEECH GO TO HELL |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: May 24 2008 at 11:41
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Why is this in the prog forum? (posted before it was moved to the correct forum).  |
Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: May 24 2008 at 11:47
I used to buy Pearl Jam discs the day they were released, but really tapered off as far as that genre goes. The only discs of theirs that I own are Ten (a masterpiece) and Vs. (another masterpiece). I have heard that their latest one is very good, however. As far as grunge goes, that's about the extent of it. I, too, thought Nirvana wasn't all that great. E ------------- 
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Ghost Rider wrote:Posted By: A B Negative
Date Posted: May 24 2008 at 12:26
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Never cosidered Pearl Jam, Soundgarden or AIC grunge. Mudhoney, Tad, Green River, L7, The Fluid, Bleach-era Nirvana - they were grunge! ------------- "The disgusting stink of a too-loud electric guitar.... Now, that's my idea of a good time." |
Posted By: mithrandir
Date Posted: May 24 2008 at 12:50
Wow!  |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: May 24 2008 at 13:09
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From the grunge movement I love Ten by Pearl Jam, as an alt rock band. Also VS. is really good. But since then, they went low.
Haven't heard Binuaral neither their latest self titled.. Soundgarden's Superunknown is good, but way too metalish for my taste. I prefer the gentle and more alt rock oriented Down on the Upside. I do like very much Audioslave. Their debut has some fantastic songs, also Out of Exile, but they lack of consistency. Revelations, not having supreme songs, but it's very consistent and that's what I love about it. ..Need suggestions about No Code, Binarual and their latest self titled. Anyone please? |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: May 24 2008 at 13:17
I totally agree that Nevermind is way overrated. It has some songs there and now, but Ten!, wow, it's a heck of a rock album. Have you heard VS? |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: May 24 2008 at 15:13
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: May 24 2008 at 16:31
guess you had to be there  Seattle + flannel + heroin + early 90's rock = grunge btw L7 were NOT grunge.. they were 'Riot Grrrl' God bless them. for me... Nirvana... anyone who calls them overrated has been shooting the heroin and dropping basses on their heads. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: RKS1987
Date Posted: May 24 2008 at 16:35
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Nirvana is one of the most overrated bands since U2.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: May 24 2008 at 16:36
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Posted By: RKS1987
Date Posted: May 24 2008 at 16:38
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dead serious one of the worst bands ever along with U2.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: May 24 2008 at 16:41
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dead serious about you doing too much Heroin there... worst bands ever... how so? Because you don't like them or something
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Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: May 24 2008 at 16:43
This thread makes me sad  |
Posted By: RKS1987
Date Posted: May 24 2008 at 16:44
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I don't do drugs and I haven't dropped any basses on my head, anyone with an ounce of taste doesn't like the musical abomination that was nirvana, they are one the worst bands ever because that is scientific fact.
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: May 24 2008 at 16:46
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I loved the grunge when it was all the rage. Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden and Alice in Chains were all frequently played back in the day. Other bands from that era that I really liked were Temple of the Dog, The Screaming Trees, Mother Love Bone, and The Smashing Pumpkins, although with the latter they were more alternative than grunge. ------------- 
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: May 24 2008 at 16:53
strike 1 fastball down the middle and you whiffed again Why are Nirvana such a bad band in your estimation Micky winds up and fires a fastball...... *to be continued* ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: RKS1987
Date Posted: May 24 2008 at 16:58
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Because they suck? I don't need a 5 page diagnostic report to tell you that I hate the band only fanboy scum need more of an explanation than personal preference.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: May 24 2008 at 17:04
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STRIKE 2 anyone can have an opinion hahahha .. can you explain yours though.. last chance... I'll even even give you a clue.. it'll be a fastball.. right down the middle again.. In you estimation.. WHY do you think Nirvana is such a bad band Micky winds up and fires.... *to be continued* edit.. or not continued... called on behalf of a troll sighting hahahhah ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: May 24 2008 at 17:25
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: May 24 2008 at 17:45
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back to Nirvana I believe...
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Posted By: RKS1987
Date Posted: May 24 2008 at 17:47
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You must first realize the band nirvana is to blame for all your problems that is the first step.
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Posted By: mithrandir
Date Posted: May 24 2008 at 17:47
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Im not a huge Nirvana fan but "Bleach" is one hell of a perfect Rock record if you ask me!
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: May 24 2008 at 17:51
I loved that album.. good call ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: May 24 2008 at 18:40
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Posted By: Tuzvihar
Date Posted: May 24 2008 at 18:44
Ooops... ------------- "Music is much like f**king, but some composers can't climax and others climax too often, leaving themselves and the listener jaded and spent." Charles Bukowski |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: May 24 2008 at 18:52
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Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: May 24 2008 at 20:50
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Ok, so... MELVINS? ;P ------------- FREEDOM OF SPEECH GO TO HELL |
Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: May 24 2008 at 22:13
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^I like the Melvins to some degree. They are grunge, certainly, but they aren't what I'd call a more pure grunge, more towards the doom/stoner/doom metal perhaps, but hey they are shown in the Hype! documentary and fit in the "Seattle" scene well indeed. ------------- 
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Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: May 24 2008 at 22:34
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I'm guessing I shouldn't post on this thread since I've lived in Seattle for the last 25 years, though actually I'm not a huge fan of grunge. However Nevermind kicks some serious ass. |
Posted By: crimson87
Date Posted: May 24 2008 at 22:47
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I am not a grunge fan but I like it.OK they may have no mucisianship but I wish mainstream radio and MTV had that kind of music nowadays!! Although I was 4 years old when Ten and Nevermind were released I can picture that this was a great time for music , at least much better than the shallow eighties. I think that Grunge and Shoegazing were the best things the 90´s offered.
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: May 25 2008 at 02:20
Guilty as charged  ! Not the heroin part (hate punching holes in my arms), but probably the basses or other assorted musical instruments. Nevermind is an OK album, but nowhere close to the musical Second Coming that it's been painted to be by the hip press. That doesn't mean I find Nirvana bad or anything... Just average, I guess. |
Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: May 25 2008 at 02:22
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^^^ I think Im right on that mindset as well with Nirvana. My girlfriend enjoys the hell out of them (has all their albums) and I just usually smile and nod when she talks about them the same way she smiles and nods when I go off on a Rush tangent .Still, they made some fun music. Fun in a depressing way I guess |
Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: May 25 2008 at 06:07
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I'm on two minds about grunge.
On one hand, I dig the hell out of the Melvins. They're basically the closest thing we have to what would happen if Salvador Dalí started a rock band... what's not to love about that? I also like a lot of the stoner rock bands that grunge inspired. I can even enjoy the more popular grunge bands, if mostly out of nostalgia for the 1990s.
On the other hand, I absolutely hate how grunge stole metal's status as "angry young man rock", something metal never really has recovered from. I'm not too fond of all the weak mope-rock that grunge went on to influence.
I guess this means that I don't mind grunge itself, but that I completely detest its effects with all my heart. No mystery Cobain killed himself.
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Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: May 25 2008 at 06:32
I like Nirvana, but I do consider them overrated. Nevermind is a good rock album, but Nirvana would never have existed without Husker Du and The Pixies (among others), and IMO Doolittle and Warehouse: Songs and Stories are both stronger albums than Nevermind. ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: A B Negative
Date Posted: May 25 2008 at 06:55
Maybe in their politics and attitude (I witnessed the Reading Festival tampon incident) but their music was closer to Tad, Nirvana etc than to Bikini Kill or Bratmobile. ------------- "The disgusting stink of a too-loud electric guitar.... Now, that's my idea of a good time." |
Posted By: rushaholic
Date Posted: May 25 2008 at 07:36
| Not a big grunge fan but I did like, and still listen to, Alice in Chains. Dirt, and especially Jar of Flies, are great albums. |
Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: May 25 2008 at 12:27
Raff, I'm with you on this one. I'd rather be hit upside the melon with a Fender Jazz Bass than listen to Nirvana.  E -------------
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Posted By: mithrandir
Date Posted: May 25 2008 at 12:34
definitely,  |
Posted By: mithrandir
Date Posted: May 25 2008 at 12:37
Grunge didn't inspire any Stoner Rock bands, what you talkin' bout? |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: May 25 2008 at 12:49
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Grunge sort of passed me by and I never really saw the appeal. Mirrorball by Neil Young & Pearl Jam is probably my favourite grunge inspired album.
Lee Brilleaux died the same week as Kurt Cobain and the news went practically unreported, which was a crying shame. ------------- What? |
Posted By: BroSpence
Date Posted: May 25 2008 at 13:05
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I made my views known in the 1991 albums poll. I do not believe grunge is a genre. Soundgarden and Alice and Chains were metal bands. Pearl Jam is a rock band. The Melvins are now considered "grunge" too? I guess they wore flannel. That's the defining element of "grunge" isn't it? Nirvana, Mudhoney, Green River, Screaming Trees... These guys were just making some garage rock only the press decided to call it grunge instead of a revival. Of course in the mid 80s there was already a garage rock revival happening outside of Seattle, and those bands actually imitated everything the original rockers did. Where as, the "grunge" folks only took the sound and spirit, and left the style (clothing) behind. |
Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: May 25 2008 at 13:08
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Melvins probably aren't grunge. I was just trying to name a Seattle band that wasn't wholly unoriginal and boring to me so I could use ze thread. ;P ------------- FREEDOM OF SPEECH GO TO HELL |
Posted By: mithrandir
Date Posted: May 25 2008 at 13:15
| yup, I pretty much agree with you BroSpence, the "Grunge" moniker was was a monster that media and fashion whores got carried away with....most of those bands associated with that are embarrassed to have even been considered Grunge cause they never asked for it, |
Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: May 25 2008 at 13:34
Monster Magnet definitely picked up some cues from Soundgarden when touring with them in support of the Superjudge album... everything after that one is definitely much more "1990s"-sounding than their old stuff. I also remember reading an interview with Kyuss where they cited the Melvins as an influence.
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Posted By: mithrandir
Date Posted: May 25 2008 at 13:42
| Stoner Rock #1 influence is Sabbath and a whole slew of 70s Hardrock/HM bands, part of the whole Stoner Rock revival is also a derivative of Doom Metal, bands like The Obsessed, Saint Vitus, Trouble, Sleep and Cathedral taking more of a direct 70s influence with their riffing, |
Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: May 25 2008 at 13:51
I admit they're anything but easy to classify, but if you listen to Nirvana's Bleach it all definitely has a "Melvins-lite" vibe. This probably makes the Melvins more of proto-grunge, though, since they're a much older band and generally are much weirder.
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Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: May 25 2008 at 13:55
Hmmmm. Since grunge had a lot of 1970s rock influence too, you might have a point... the similarities in sound between grunge and stoner rock could after all just be cases of parallel evolution.
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Posted By: mithrandir
Date Posted: May 25 2008 at 14:10
if indeed you consider Grunge as an actual genre,.... Vitus and Soundgarden were label mates at one time, both on SST and i think SG took a bit from Vitus during that time, I also I know Wino's band The Obsessed (plus Vitus), were a huge influence on Greg Ginn, and were one of the reasons why Black Flag came around to playing "Burn Out" Rock music with a heavy Sabbath/70s vibe, plus other SST mammoths like The Minutemen, Meat Puppets, Dinosaur Jr and Husker Du all came around from their Punk beginnings to play some heavy 70s influenced RnR, then of course you have odd ball bands like The Melvins and Flipper and Green River who had their place in the foundation of "Grunge", the 80s very great time for Underground Music all around if you ask me, 
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Posted By: mithrandir
Date Posted: May 25 2008 at 14:16
| and i could be wrong, but I believe fIREHOSE (mike watt/post-Minutemen), took the idea of flannel shirts as a simple clothing accessory to a full blown symbol of underground/cultural identity, |
Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: May 25 2008 at 14:29
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I love NIRVANA still, and always loved. Wait, no, I used to hate for some short time, when I was deep in power-prog-metal . They were my first rock band ever, the one that I discovered by myself, and I was torturing my parents by Cobain's stuff all my teenage-hood I hardly know any other grunge band (a shame, isn't it? ), but I've already got some ALICE IN CHAINS, PEARL JAM and SOUNDGARDEN stuff, along with some MELVINS and that TEMPLE OF THE DOG album.
But what I also know and like, can be described in three steps: "Last Days" movie Michael Pitt PAGODA!!! |
Posted By: Avantgardehead
Date Posted: May 25 2008 at 16:45
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I like three songs by Alice in Chains and that's it for grunge.
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Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: May 25 2008 at 17:28
Seems we should also give a nod to The Wipers, out of Portland, OR. One listen to Youth of America and you'll get a pretty clear idea that it was a source of much Seattle Grunge.
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Posted By: tardis
Date Posted: May 25 2008 at 18:31
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PEARL JAM PEARL JAM PEARL JAM PEARL JAM WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! |
Posted By: mithrandir
Date Posted: May 25 2008 at 18:37
ah! yes indeed, a very influential band, not just in Seattle but worldwide |
Posted By: A B Negative
Date Posted: May 26 2008 at 03:27
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Nirvana acknowledged the influence of The Wipers on the compilation Eight Songs for Greg Sage and The Wipers (The CD is Fourteen Songs for Greg Sage and The Wipers) by covering Return of the Rat.. They also recorded a version of D-7 which is on Hormoaning.
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Posted By: BroSpence
Date Posted: May 26 2008 at 23:11
OH, indeeeeeeeed. |
Posted By: tardis
Date Posted: May 26 2008 at 23:13
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I appreciate grunge, but does it appreciate me? |
Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: May 28 2008 at 14:00
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Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, AIC and The Melvins are all great. But my favorite is undeniably Nirvana, they were my favrorite band at one point, and are still one of my favorite bands. They may not have been that innovative musically, being influenced mostly by hardcore punk and bands like The Melvins and Pixies. But they did help make alternative rock more popular and because of them older alternative bands like REM and Sonic Youth were gaining a more mainstream following. And criticize Cobains guitar skills all you want, the guy knew how to write a song, and had some great riffs and hooks up his sleeve.
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Posted By: tardis
Date Posted: May 28 2008 at 14:06
| Oh yeah, I forgot about those Nirvana guys. |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: May 28 2008 at 14:39
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I love the more blatantly commercial side of grunge with Stone temple Pilots.... i love Alice In chains (mostly the Dirt and the leg-less dog album...), Soundgarden (mostly their last and a little of superunknown and badmotorfinger), Nirvana's nevermind, Pearl Jam TEN and just a little of VS (the rest are a disaster)... So yes, I like commercial grunge. ------------- 
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: May 28 2008 at 16:12
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Every fan of music should have heard Temple of the Dog at least once in their lives.
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Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: May 28 2008 at 16:38
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i love grunge, but stoner rock that was popular around the same time is even beter! ------------- 
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Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: May 28 2008 at 17:20
I got it on my PC for about two weeks and haven't checked yet. Now will do
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Posted By: ebag7125
Date Posted: May 30 2008 at 20:32
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I love "Dirt" from Alice in Chains. its better than a few prog albums i could name.... ------------- 
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Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: May 31 2008 at 09:04
I agree, but that I don't remember 1990s stoner rock ever becoming as popular as grunge. With the exception of a couple of bands, of course, but maybe things are different where you live?
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Posted By: The Wizard
Date Posted: May 31 2008 at 09:21
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Mudhoney are the best -------------  
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Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: June 02 2008 at 08:39
no ofc stoner rock was never as big as grunge i was yust saying most bands that played the 2 styles was active around the same time. -------------
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Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: June 02 2008 at 10:12
Not quite "around the same" - grunge seems just to have mellowed out into much more generic mope rock, but stoner rock's still going on strong!  ------------- "The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook |
Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: August 23 2008 at 02:59
Also Mad Season!! -------------  |
Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: August 23 2008 at 03:00
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Love Grunge so much!!! PJ, Soundgarden, et al.
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