Farewell to Prog Rock
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Topic: Farewell to Prog Rock
Posted By: KingBarbarossa
Subject: Farewell to Prog Rock
Date Posted: December 17 2008 at 12:44
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My Dear fellow fans of the beloved genre of music, after more than a year I find myself in a very peculiar situation which is to say that after many years of enthusiasm for over a year now I hardly play prog rock or actually any other form of rock anymore. I did not really lose my appreciation for it, however, butsomething happened: I myself am a romantic and needless to say what I always have been looking for in prog was something nostalgic among other virtues like complexity, skill and a wide range of moods - and in that sense I never regarded prog as being "progressive" in the sense of this word except for the beginnings when this music was new, but interestingly it was not labelled as "prog" back then. just music, good music. What happened then was that I increasingly started listening to romantic classical music. Something that actually started in my childhood when I sat in front of the record player listening to Dvorak and Mahler and others. Funny picture isn't it? A seven year old little boy who puts Mahler's first symphony on at his own choice while other kids listened to Disney... Anyway, in some way classical romantic contains everything I ever really looked for in prog. It displays an incredible spectrum of moods, sharp contrasts, incredible complexity and demands highest skills from the musicians and of course there are many epic "long tracks" ;-) Why am I writing this? Maybe at some point you have experienced something similar that might be worth sharing here. Or maybe you might feel moved to check out some classical music or give it another try. To me personally one of the greatest high-points in romantic classical music is Gustav Mahler. Start with his first symphony as it is very accessible with many very distinct melodic hooks and then go to the magnificiennt second, the 'Resurrection Symphony'. I think there are many prog heads out there who would be able to enjoy this. Anyway, it is not a complete farewell to prog from me and I will not be giving away my 2000+ prog album collection but not only am I listening to 90% classical now but I am also intensifying studies in orchestral music composition. I will still keep visiting this site, still be interested in what is going on in the prog arena but i realize that it has become mostly nostalgy for me... |
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Posted By: darksideof
Date Posted: December 17 2008 at 12:52
Don't worry you will come back...
 You can't get away from Prog...  ------------- http://darksideofcollages.blogspot.com/ http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/ https://www.facebook.com/pages/Darksideof-Collages/ |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: December 17 2008 at 13:15
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I also consider myself to be a romantic ("We are not lovers, we are not romantics we are here to serve you..." (Gary Numan)), and love Mahler's and Dvorak's music. I was raised on "classical" music (to use the term as more generally descriptive rather than just a specific period -- i.e. Western Academic Music) and it is my first love, but I partially moved away from it because it evokes too strong emotions in me. I also like more pure forms of jazz very much. I'd gone off rock completely before getting back into Prog (which was partially for nostalgic sake, and the Prog I generally listen to now is more on the chamber music side -- along with jazzy ones). I've thought before that I will probably move away from rock again. One reason why I stopped listening to academic music so much was because my wife didn't enjoy it, and I found it deflating when I was absolutely moved by something to hear her indifferent comments. I'm listening to a fair amount of non-rock chamber music again -- in fact I'm playing one of my old favourites now, Schubert's Piano Trio in E flat. That said, I think I'll always love bands/ music that is labelled Prog here (particularly so-called chamber rock), but will be moving more and more towards the less rock ones. And I'll always like folk music. ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me. |
Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: December 17 2008 at 13:20
I'm deeply in sludge/post-metal/post-hardcore now. What prog? C'mon 
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Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: December 17 2008 at 13:44
Progressive mnemoric footprints will last for all of eternity......good luck! It is not a question of me leaving prog music, prog music will never leave me. Period.
Another point is I have often heard that as one gets older one appreciates classical music more......respect yes, appreciate? No. Give me King Crimson, Brand X, a walking stick and an i-Pod anyday  ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
KingBarbarossa wrote:Posted By: burritounit
Date Posted: December 17 2008 at 14:21
That's me now, along with post punk. But I think I haven't stop listening to prog 100%. I do every now and then but not so regularly like before. ------------- "I've walked on water, run through fire, can't seem to feel it anymore. It was me, waiting for me..." |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: December 17 2008 at 14:23
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I have also thought one day I'll go back to classical music but that day is, I think, very far away. But it isn't prog the one holding classic back: is rock in general, and mostly, metal. Yes, I was, when younger, a classical music afdicionado that loved Beethoven, Dvorak, Bruckner, Mozart, and hundred more (Mahler too... the sixth is his highest point in my view). I never cared much for classical vocal (non-choral) music like lieder or songs (like Mahler's Lieder einer Farenden gesellen), I never liked that. I found in rock the vocal music I like (in a way that's why I don't care much about rock instrumental music... that's what classical music is for in my mind). I discovered prog with DT like 10 years ago and then went exclusively prog. Then around 3 years later I quit rock and went back to classical almost 100%. But then it happened all again, now more pronounced. I seldom hear classical music now, and I've gotten much deeper in rock, much deeper in its most virulent, darkest forms in metal (black metal). Classical right now just doesn't make it for me emotionally. Sometimes it can be too much (sweeping emotion) sometimes too little (energy, anger).
Also, I finally realized I have to hear what I like and not what "is better". No more listenign to intellectual music because it makes me more "intelligent". That I leave to others who still have those ridiculous ideas. I've grown up. I listen to whatever the f**k I want. And right now, is not classical. ------------- 
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 17 2008 at 14:28
While I like classical I see no need to retreat to just listening to one form of music. I see you didn't mention my favorite decomposing composer, Debussy. Also partial to Holst and Mussorgsky. And non decomposing composers, Philip Glass and Steve Reich. 
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: December 17 2008 at 14:36
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I hate to be blunt (that is a lie), but you have 25 posts: do you really think your presence on this site warrants a DRAMATIC GOODBYE thread? Although, I've mostly been listening to jazz these days. And when I do listen to prog, it's almost never "classic prog", most of which I've found very disappointing upon revisiting... :( ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: December 17 2008 at 14:48
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Your initial paragraph is unwarranted. This is different from those dramatic goodbye to PA posts. This is about moving away from Prog, and his post count is irrelevant. I find it an interesting discussion topic. I've wondered if Prog is a passing phase for me (and thought it would be years ago). ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 17 2008 at 15:13
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If I say farewell to prog rock, what the hell am I going to do with all this? VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: December 17 2008 at 15:29
Mr. Plainview might be a bit shortsighted here? This thread is obviously not about a goodbye to PA, but an expression of a feeling about prog rock. Next time, think a bit harder and read a bit better before posting, please. |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: December 17 2008 at 15:31
I can give you my adress, if you want. Seriously, one cannot simply quit. You need rehab first.  ------------- 
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Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: December 17 2008 at 15:34
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I love some classical music, but I think I would find it hard to stay awake if I had to listen to classical music all the time. Actually I find it hard to clean the house anymore unless I have AC/DC playing loud. :-) And this time of the year, I prefer jazzy or celtic holiday music . ------------- THIS IS ELP 
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Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: December 17 2008 at 15:44
exactly  post-punk and some prog too
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: December 17 2008 at 17:04
This but add screamo ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: fuxi
Date Posted: December 17 2008 at 17:30
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If you ever really cared for prog, I think your farewell will be temporary. I grew up with most of the 1970s U.K. prog bands, but I didn't listen much to rock between 1985 and 1995. I was too busy discovering loads of jazz, as well as Mozart, Haydn, Bach, Handel, Wagner, Bruckner and, yes: Mahler... I now know the likes of Bach, Haydn and Schubert have given the world much more great music than any rock band, BUT in the past ten years or so I've also returned to prog. These days, I enjoy most of my proggy favourites as much as ever, and I keep discovering new ones.
It's all in the Bible, isn't it: Man can't live on a-simple-rock'n'roll-beat alone. Man can't live on an-intricate-rock'n'roll-beat alone! Man can't live on subtle-18th-or-19th-century-classics alone!! Man can't live on adventurous-improved-music-alone either!!!! Praise the Lord, for man doesn't have to chose: he can taste of the fruit of ALL trees he can find. And the same goes, of course, for woman.
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Posted By: darksideof
Date Posted: December 17 2008 at 17:31
I head YA!!! I am othe same Boat...
 Na!!!
I will Keep On Prog Rocking until the Lord says it....  ------------- http://darksideofcollages.blogspot.com/ http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/ https://www.facebook.com/pages/Darksideof-Collages/ |
Posted By: KingBarbarossa
Date Posted: December 17 2008 at 18:11
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As I stated, it is not a complete departure. Thank you all, for the condolences! :-) I do not feel less appreciation for prog but I must acknowledge that now since more than a year I am listening to almost only classical. Mahler in particular. I am aware of temporary changes and phases that occur in preferences and listening habits. However, I know that in my case it is the undergoing of a soul journey in finding something more than a refined listening habit. More of something one may call destiny and it can be identified in how profoundly it can shake the grounds on which you build your identity. It is finding a reflection of your own inner truth that is being expressed in a piece of art. What I start getting "into" is then center of my own creativity and my own being. So to speak when I listen - or create - music I am this music, this sound in this moment. For some people this may be too intense, but I have never known it any different. To: "The T": It is really not about "intellectual" music. I do not claim one kind of music to be "better" than others. Each person derives something out of what they like that may be of equal value across any borders of style. The expression of anger is a good point and there are rare moments when you need a blast of "Rage Against Machine" :-) however, I do not carry anger with me anymore, I got rid of it some years ago and it was a very healthy decision. To "Henry Plainview": My low post count does indeed stem from being not very active, but it does not mean i am not present. In fact I am a regular visitor of progarchives with interest. In the beginning I started doing a few reviews as well until i realized that I don't really want to judge other people's art - too personal are the different tastes... |
Posted By: DatM
Date Posted: December 17 2008 at 18:21
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I get what you're saying, it's somewhat similar for myself, as I listen to more and more classical everday. I also find myself reviewing and deepening my composition studies...esp. counterpoint. Oh to be able to write a fugue as masterful as Bach's...one can dream. But I still have a weak spot for drums and distorted guitars That is why I started Death And The Maiden, hehe.------------- Death and the Maiden - A Metal Tribute To String Quartets http://www.deathandthemaiden.net - Website http://www.myspace.com/deathmaiden - Myspace |
Posted By: Carl Snow
Date Posted: December 17 2008 at 18:40
amen. and double amen re: Glass + Reich. progressive music will not die so long as it progresses |
Posted By: crimson87
Date Posted: December 17 2008 at 19:49
| Yeah , what would I do if I am not into prog anymore , I've spent A LOT of money in records and selling them would be a pity. |
Posted By: Todd
Date Posted: December 17 2008 at 20:28
| I see no reason why my feelings for prog, classical, jazz, classic rock, etc cannot coexist. Sometimes I'm in the mood for Chopin, sometimes for Crimson, sometimes for Coltrane. I love it all! I do go through periods where I listen to more of one than the other, but I'm never too far to come back. |
Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: December 17 2008 at 20:35
YES, YES! Oh man, I've been a fan of Post hardcore for ages, but recently I've been listening to a fair bit of post hardcore, as well as post metal, it's just addictive stuff I can't get away from. Been really digging The Fall Of Troy, never struck me as a "prog" band in the traditional sense, always thought of them as a tech/post hardcore outfit and in a way it's weird to see a band like that in PA, because the band is just so punk at their core. ------------- 
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: December 17 2008 at 20:42
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^ I remember adding them.. I don't remember all their stuff being tech/post hardcore but I think that mix of things probably helped them get our yes vote |
Posted By: spookytooth
Date Posted: December 17 2008 at 20:51
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I have very eclectic music tastes compared to most people, so I drift in and out with prog sometimes (but I never give it up completely, ever). Right now I'm going through a hardcore thing and I'm looking at hardcore music albums. Still, prog is number one in my book...
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Posted By: Sunny In Jeddah
Date Posted: December 17 2008 at 21:14
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holla at u later prog ------------- 
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Posted By: Valdez
Date Posted: December 17 2008 at 22:05
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Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: December 17 2008 at 22:13
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To borrow a phrase, you don't leave prog, prog leaves you!
Edited: damn, I guess it's fitting that this would be my 1000th post. Me, a guy who stumbled onto this site looking for reviews of Snakes and Arrows, and I'm not even a Rush fanboy.
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Posted By: JesusisLord
Date Posted: December 18 2008 at 00:41
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To everything there is a season......... ------------- And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father. Phillipians 2:11 |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: December 18 2008 at 03:06
Wow!! Linda threefates is in the house..! Hi Linda.. 
I've loved progressive rock since my mid teens. I like many different styles of music, and have drifted away from prog for long periods, but it always catches my attention again and reels me back in. I tend to get fixated on one or two bands at a time. Right now its Opeth and Porcupine Tree. That will fizzle out eventually, and I'll probably listen to Judas Priest for a year, before going back to King Crimson..
Some mentioned Steve Reich. I was listening to Different Trains a few nights back. Mindblowing! |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: December 18 2008 at 03:36
| I've re-located this thread to the general music disucssions, as it draws in music from a wide area and looks at prog in that context. |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: December 18 2008 at 03:37
| About few months back, it used to be just metal, metal and more metal. Now it's prog, prog and more prog. Tomorrow it will be something else. But it's not about genres, there are some all time favourites for me in both these and other genres and well and I will keep returning to them. Exploring one genre in exclusion for forever is not something I would be able to do or would enjoy doing either. |
Posted By: el dingo
Date Posted: December 18 2008 at 03:38
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I hadn't listened to Guru Guru for 30 years. Along comes PSY, I dig out Dance of the Flames, in the Guru Lounge and rediscover old friends.
It really is a cyclical thing, this music.
Man cannot, however, live by prog alone. But add some prog metal, hard rock, vintage punk and whatever floats yer boat and life can be quite bearable.
You'll be back ------------- It's not that I can't find worth in anything, it's just that I can't find worth in enough. |
Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: December 18 2008 at 04:02
Ohhh, I'm not saying they don't deserve to be here, because their music fits the criteria for prog as it is and they go above and beyond straight post hardcore bands for compositional complexity, easily. But it's just, their aesthetic is so punk, it's just odd to see them in the same sub genre on PA as bands like Rush and Porcupine Tree which have the prog label written all over them. But I guess on the same token, you could say many of the bands in Tech/Extreme prog metal have such a metal aesthetic that it's weird to see them on the same site as Yes, Marillion etc. -------------
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Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: December 18 2008 at 04:19
Quote of the day,thats great.
I've felt myself starting to be put of the general format and stereotype of prog.Although i listen to it as much as i ever did,i find i don't want my favourite bands to fall in a catergory of cliche.And prog has a lot of it!
Perhaps i've started to give in to societys perspective and ignorance towards genre stereotyping!
 This thread has just made me doubt my whole moral existence.i'll come back when i've found myself again. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/cozfunkel/" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: December 18 2008 at 05:11
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Welcome back, Linda (Threefates). Great to see you post again.
When I was 12, I listened just as much to classical as to rock (I was an active music listener since I was 6 years old). But I have to say that prog rock is like a little cuckoo pushing other birdies out of the nest. I do listen to other musical styles, but prog rock is taking the lion's share of the music I listen to.
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Posted By: Floydoid
Date Posted: December 18 2008 at 06:12
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You can run, but you can't hide from prog.
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: December 18 2008 at 10:56
O - M - G The ledge returns! |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: December 18 2008 at 11:11
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I love all kinds of music. But at least this guy isn`t trading in his progrock collection for every Céline Dion album. ------------- |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: December 18 2008 at 13:06
And even if you weren't a regular visitor, KB, your first as your 10 or 100 thousand post is as valuable, you don't need to be a senior member to express your opinion.
Somethimes having more posts only means you have less real life than most people.
Iván ------------- 
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Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: December 18 2008 at 13:40
I think he missed the "Annoucing the departure" thread that I specifically set up to wean these people off their ego. ------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: Windhawk
Date Posted: December 18 2008 at 13:42
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As for the topic of this thread: Why stick to one style or type of music only? I may be an odd one in that department - but I listen to music all across the genre spectrum all the time. When I sit down and listen to music playing Saxon after Madness before enjoying Mussorgsky, Billy Holiday and Venom, mixing in Rush, Marillion, Al Di Meola and Hawkwind before ending with some Gary Numan isn't that unusual. As an example :-) ------------- Websites I work with: http://www.progressor.net http://www.houseofprog.com My profile on Mixcloud: https://www.mixcloud.com/haukevind/ |
Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: December 18 2008 at 13:47
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I've decided to leave my prog rock & rock music collections aside for ever. I will now listen exclusively to the music from which all music has sprouted from - yes Neo-lithic (not neo prog) music. After stumbling upon some articles re : the earliest noted compostions on rock wood and head, I have found that nothing that came after that satisfies that primal need all primates have. So attached to this now & never ever non-existant music that if I could, I would start a pre-historic archives, but due to the nature of pre-history, there is nothing to archive. So once I have nothing included on the site, I would, for all intents and purposes, have everything ever released or written about this primieval music. So it is with glee in my eye, and beer in my stein that I bid you all a dollar for your thoughts, and hope that someday we can find out the name of the ape who wrote that first note, and how long it took them to find all but that one lost chord. Ah, so much to do, and so little to do it with .... ------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: Alucard
Date Posted: December 18 2008 at 13:56
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the other day I read an article about this guy who had the biggest collection of PEZ dispensers in the world ...remember these funny sweet dispensers with a Micky mouse head and he is organizing PEZ conventioins all over the world and he is spending all his sparetime going to sales etc to enlargen his collection...I was quite amused and thinking about a cross convention of PROG and PEZ fanatics which could obviously result in a new PEZ series with Prog greats like the Ruth Underwood PEZ or the Christian Vander dispenser etc... I am disgressing, the thing is as long as you feel passionate for something.....
------------- Tadpoles keep screaming in my ear "Hey there! Rotter's Club! Explain the meaning of this song and share it" |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: December 18 2008 at 13:58
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^WHOSE ego Db? -------------
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Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: December 19 2008 at 01:12
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" I have heard the big music
and I'll never be the same
Something so pure just called my name
I will always climb the mountain
cos I have heard the big music
Like Jazz manna from sweet chariots
and I'll never be the same
something so pure has called my name...."
The BIG Music
Happy festivities everyone, prog on...
Lyrics by M. Scott ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: December 19 2008 at 01:33
you could make some recordings of how it may have sounded and release it as Neolithic Gold; " includes the hits 'Earthworm For Your Thoughts', 'Rock You, Rock Me', and 'Leaves & Stuff' " |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: December 19 2008 at 02:23
Linda? Welcome home! ------------- 
Jon Lord 1941 - 2012 |
Posted By: mobby
Date Posted: December 19 2008 at 03:05
| I too had my classical phase and had a period of classical discoveries and built an impressive collection, but always went back to prog..I even dabbled in world music most specifically african which i find to be very energetic, melodic, richly varied and powerful, but again found my way back to prog easily,..(how can I not listening to the intro of poseidon creation, or discovering many great new bands and music??)..see the thing with most progsters is, unlike fans of different genres, we tend to appreciate and enjoy other music..I still occasionally listen to classical, african , some jazz and other genres but deep down i will always be a progster.. |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: December 19 2008 at 03:28
 Shudders at the thought of a small plastic replica Steve Howe head flipping back to offer a small tart candy...Shudd ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: December 19 2008 at 04:30
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I say let's pass around a hat for the guy's Celine Dion fund. She won't certainly . She only made 90 million dollars this year. Maybe we should pass around a hat for her? ------------- |
Posted By: Alucard
Date Posted: December 19 2008 at 11:39
try to imagine instead a Phil Collins dispenser singig every time you flip his head back "Killing Me Softly With More Fool Me"...wouldn't that be terrific....
 ------------- Tadpoles keep screaming in my ear "Hey there! Rotter's Club! Explain the meaning of this song and share it" |
Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: December 19 2008 at 15:32
Well , I've been doing a lot of googling to see if I can't find any sheet music for " Aaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrghhhh!", "Xengbutergin", and perhaps the first hit single "ow my head". ------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: December 19 2008 at 15:34
Those who feel the need to announce that they have left and why they went, including why they came back and had to tell us, after they noticed no one noticed. ------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: December 19 2008 at 16:37
+ 10 |
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: December 19 2008 at 17:41
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Prog is like Chuck Norris. It will always find you, and then roundhouse kick you in the balls!!
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Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: December 19 2008 at 22:43
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This guy's making a big announcement out of the fact that he is going through a different phase right now musically? Really? I thought he was going to say that the governments of all the countries were ordering all prog records outlawed, and shjooting prog-heads on site, or something. "Farewell to Prog Rock"? More like "I'm in a classical mood at the moment, so I'll be hanging out here less". I once had a friend like this. One week he would proclaim that Tool were the best musicians in the world, then the next week he was selling all of his tool shirts and he started listening to hardcore metal. Why do these types of people feel like they can only enjoy one style of music at a time? I've never understood it.
Maybe it's just me . . . ? I'll go now . . . *slunks away*
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Posted By: KingBarbarossa
Date Posted: December 19 2008 at 23:08
i think you did not quite read my original post and the the follow-up which is a little further down in the thread. :-) i guess for many people there are "phases" and i have mine too. but i did not write about a phase. it is about the journey of discovering one own's truth, delving deeper into your own being, finding more about who you are. nor did i say i would have lost any level of appreciation for other styles. it really is not about a style... |
Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: December 19 2008 at 23:15
I was just having fun with ya. Never meant for my comment to be serious.
Having said that. I suppose I didn't read your follow-up reply after all, or else I probably would have been an even bigger smart-ass about it
 .I'll try to be more observant next time, though. Sorry for jumping to conclusions.
Peace.
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Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: December 20 2008 at 12:28
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I have now abandoned the Neo(lithic) phase of my music appreciation. I am now moved on to more mature music Neo-nderthal. These musicians stood for something. Like standing on two legs. That and they were Europeen, and we all know that some of the good prog music eventually came from there. My currrent research is whether there was a coming together of this genre with the Sapien-Symphonic movement where a bunch of guys would howl & grunt together for long time periods, thereby being the first un-recorded occasion of Avant-Garde music, and a precursor to the Symphonic prog we all know and admit is passe today. ------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: December 20 2008 at 12:43
For like a year once I basically stopped listening to prog and listened to 60's and 70's hard rock and 80's and 90's heavy metal. While I still love Zeppelin, Metallica, and Iron Maiden, prog found me again. You can't escape from prog (coming from experience). -------------
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Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: December 21 2008 at 01:50
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Prog is like the fine cuisines that we sometimes only delve into and experience for stints at a time. Everything else is like the poor-man's fine dining such as Mc Donald's and Wendy's.
Sure it's great to eat the junk food sometimes because it;s a quick fix, you don'ty have to wait for it, and it;s cheap so the conveniance is the main appeal. But after awhile of eating Pizza Hut for the upteenth time, you're gonna start craving the truly good meals again. That's when you go back into it and wondery why you could have ever left . . . until the next time, of course.
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: December 21 2008 at 03:57
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I have abuddy with me who thinks I can't listen to Celine Dion for 24 hours cranked on the headphones ( with bathroom breaks). $100 bet. It's going to be a tough run. We start tomorrow evening. It's going to be filmed.
This is an edit. as I said we will film this. It will be like an angler fighting with a prize Marlin. One hour into the fight. 3 hours into the fight sort of thing. I've shook hands on this one but I'm not sure whether I'm up to the test. This will be a test of endurance. It is going to be pure living hell. Like an SAS candidate doing the fan dance on the Brecon Beacons. I am honestly NOT looking forward to this. One of the dumbest bets I've ever made. I'll be allowed to drink when this is all going on but not that it will help me through the horror. The lousy $100 will be donated to the Canadian SPCA to help get rid of the puppy mills that we have a problem with here in Quebec. A publicity stunt of sorts. It'll be on youtube. My buddies are allowed to taunt me and say thigs like, " had enough? ". I have to go into seclusion to prepare as Erik goes to HMV to get the discs when it opens this morning. ------------- |
Posted By: Avantgardehead
Date Posted: December 21 2008 at 05:17
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Nothing that's supposedly "prog" that isn't late-60's or early-to-mid-70's ever satisfied me. Retro used to clog-up my music library, but no longer! I'm still on the look-out for things from those eras that I haven't heard yet, but I'll stick with my Genesis for now.  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Avantgardian |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: December 21 2008 at 06:36
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Well I've completed my dry run and nothing is going in my favour. This pretty much sums up how I feel right now. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlkzrmQdUkI - www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlkzrmQdUkI
He's getting Celine Christmas music too. I didn't think of that. Gotta take the dogs for their morning run then get some sleep. ------------- |
Posted By: Lost Follower
Date Posted: December 21 2008 at 07:42
Look, if it's good enough in the Queen Vic so it's good enough for here! ------------- ~Jump you f**ker jump~ |
Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: December 21 2008 at 18:03
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I'm trying silence for a while, so I can make more profound comparisons later on ...
------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: Fragile
Date Posted: December 21 2008 at 18:52
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Three Fates how the hell are you? Not on here much these days but when I see your name it brings back memories of three years ago when we posted frequently.Hope you are ok and still listening to great music,remember Anderson is King and not Greg. |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: December 21 2008 at 19:23
| ^wow dude! You're from 2004!!!! That's shocking and incredible, and you were lucky to get a album name which wasn't used, yet. |
Posted By: Jake Kobrin
Date Posted: December 21 2008 at 22:58
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Who cares? It's stupid to only listen to a genre because you have some image or something to keep up. I've been listening to all different stuff as of late. A lot of it is prog and a lot of it isn't. Honestly, I don't care.
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Posted By: Avantgardehead
Date Posted: December 21 2008 at 23:10
Same here, I listen to what I like be it prog, indie, post-rock, psychedelic pop, new age, shoegaze, post-metal, or jazz. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Avantgardian |
Posted By: el dingo
Date Posted: December 22 2008 at 03:18
Yeah, good idea.
I'm currently into the neo-Neanderthal band Cro & the Magnons. I heard they had a real revolutionary effect on what had constituted the scene before; apparently they literally blew the Neanderthal bands away - over a period of many years, of course. History has it there were no collaborations between the movements at all.
My favourite Magnon stuff includes Fire, Flintaxe Revolution and Spear that Mammoth Baby, Woah Yeah.
As the Neanderthals originated in prehistoric Germany (the Canterbury of its day), might I suggest that ALL PROG must surely stem from Krautrock? ------------- It's not that I can't find worth in anything, it's just that I can't find worth in enough. |
Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: December 22 2008 at 10:58
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I found it strange that they hadn't sued the Cro-Mags for copyright on the name. As for the germans, I do believe that at the time, they were Goths. SO krautrock is an offshoot of Goth music ? ------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: Proggg
Date Posted: December 22 2008 at 13:07
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recently I haven't been listening to too much prog either... I love it but haven't really touched it. I do listen to a lot of prog metal but not the classical prog. That will change when I finally buy a Genesis album!!!
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Posted By: DamoXt7942
Date Posted: December 22 2008 at 13:59
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Honestly I couldn't anticipate my current favorite prog genres (non-British Euro, especially Italian prog) when I've begun listening to British prog.
Our life style or hobby, interest are always changing but I consider recurrence of those should come some time.
Possibly we can sometimes understand the good point of our previous favs by meeting lots of genres and sounds.
Hmm...anyway, I want to listen to The Beatles and The Beach Boys. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/damoxt7942" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: December 22 2008 at 18:28
Holy crap!!! Does that mean you don't own any Genesis??? Shame on you....  -------------
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Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: December 22 2008 at 21:45
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Having listened to Silence's 53 minute opus - . I can say that they are hard to compare to anyone as there is no instumentation, singing, percussion, nor even sound manipulation. Especially with 73 bit re-mastered CD that I have, you cannot hear even the slightest hiss. At the moment, due to its' relaxed nature , I think it might be suitable for the canterbury team. On the other hand, the very concept and the mastery with which it is pulled off makes me wonder if it might be more sensible to ask whether the ZART team is interested in giving a listen to it. ------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: el dingo
Date Posted: December 23 2008 at 01:45
I hope we're talking Ostrogoths and Visigoths here, and not strange black-clad beings with Frankenstein boots and Cure albums tucked under their arms...
Off to play some Pendragon; guess they were inspired by Uther, Arthur, Lancelot and their mates. ------------- It's not that I can't find worth in anything, it's just that I can't find worth in enough. |
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: December 23 2008 at 21:10
Exactly. It doesn't depend on what genre, just what amount of quality is put into the music. -------------
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Posted By: Abstrakt
Date Posted: December 25 2008 at 12:33
I'm also drifting away from prog a bit. Going back to my Hard Rock/Metal roots. I still listen to prog quite often, though. 
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: December 25 2008 at 12:42
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I'm getting into a lot more obscure electronica and metal. Certain sites have elitists who want nothing more than the most obscure hipster garbage. Perfect for getting to know dead-end genres. |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: December 30 2008 at 06:11
This is what I was saying. If I misinterpreted the intent of the OP, sorry, and I wasn't trying to imply that I deserved a GOODBYE thread either. After all, I am but a lowly non-collab as well. ;-)
Is anyone in this thread doing that? Is that what this thread is about at all?
Yes, other people have started italicizing random parts of my name like Peter! Maybe I can start a trend!
Psh, who says I'm listening to fast food? ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: December 30 2008 at 08:56
Take it easy on the guy. It isn't a goodbye post, it's saying how he's currently feeling about prog. -------------
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: December 30 2008 at 15:59
I think it's great that you read that post, but not my post directly above you. Nobody reads the whole thread anymore! But maybe I just have no life. :( ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: December 31 2008 at 15:16
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Hi,
I hope that you get a chance to read this KingB ... and any of the other responses.
I, personally, always thought "prog-rock" was another word for ... manure.
I say that intentionally because of the compartmentalization of things ... I once got dumped by a girlfriend because I like prog and she liked country ... it had nothing to do with anything else ... and that is the the attitude that I dislike the most when it came to my involvement with radio and other artistic endeavours.
It didn't help that far too many groups were copies and more tribute bands than real ... well, I can't really fault them ... that's like saying no one else ever played or was inspired by something else in their life!
What was sad to me, happened in 1972 ... and is something that I think really killed prog and it's ability to stretch and bend and become bigger and more important ... in that year there were a couple of things that came out that were major ... in some ways they were a bit "self-indulgent" (as Rolling Stone dubbed many of these) ... and the rock press trashed it to smithereens ... the rock press was not interested in music ... it was interested in "songs" and "radio play".
The sadness of it all is that young composers that wanted to do something more valuable to their musical experience all of a sudden felt hurt and disappointed. And, sadly enough, many of them gave in to the critics knock.
To me, that was the day that the music became "less important" and no longer as valid as a lot of classical music ... but ... but ... by that time I had heard things that were classical ... and not "prog-rock" ... no one will ever tell me that Vangelis, Mike Oldfield, Tangerine Dream and Klaus Schulze are not the greatest composers of our time ... to me only Stravinsly and Bartok even come close in the 20th century ... it's just a different instrument ...
But I felt sad to see YES, Jethro Tull and so many others crumble to the press and not fight on ... but it you and all others were stuck listening to rock, and rock only, and our measure for exellence is only how much we like it and the other person's opinion is not valid ... then you can see why ... it's so hard for anyone to believe enough in their own music ... and continue.
If I name a top ten rock/prog albums of all time, "Tales of Topographic Oceans" is one of them, as is "A Passion Play" ... but you will probably never find anyone talking about those as warmly as I do ... and I can hear Jon Anderson probably say ... "bless your dear heart" ... but for all intents and purposes any discussions in this area and archive pretty much shows why ... none of these musicians will ever be able to do something as powerful as Mahler, or whomever you wish to name and show as an example. The majority of stuff listed in here is not even 5 minutes long ... and people think that discussing Metallica as prog is more important than anything else.
They have a right to their opinion. but I doubt that even those folks will be listening to Metallica when they are 55! Just so you know, at 58, I still love listening to Hawkwind ... to me still one of the best, and extremely deserving prog band that never gets a mention ... they have the most unbelievable collage and differences from one album to the next ... compare Electric Tepee to Space Ritual ... and they never even get a mention ... and some of that hard rock is not only progressive, it is mind blowing ...
There are not many composers that do "short cuts" and in this day and age of the iTunes and many other "singles" everything is a couple of minutes and just about all the conversations are about a song or two ... not an artist ... and in that vein, we will be killing the art form ...
While I liked ELP (for example) my greatest frustration in the boards in the 90's (including the folks that created this and other boards) was that everything that got reviewed had all the same instruments as ELP and King Crimson ... and that is not fair to music in general ... and there are a lot of other progressive folks out there ... that even this board is not capable of discussing!
Try these on for size:
- Egberto Gismonti - if this is called jazz naming music is really the pits! It's just music! And if you can handle it, check out the original "No Caipira" ... talk about prog afterwords will you?
- Terje Rypdal/Dave Darling - Eos - Chamber music with an electric guitar like you wish Jimi had done!
- Mike Oldfield - Amarok ... and if you can .. try to see the "Exposed" DVD ... and realize that is "classical music" for our time.
- Djam Karet - Any of the first 5 or 6 ablums
But here ... only singles get discussed. And that will not a Mahler make ... EVER!
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Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: December 31 2008 at 20:03
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You know, you're right ... of to a decent start in the avant-garde / artiste scene. I am 46, and still listen to Motorhead, and still buy most of their albums. I have listened to Beethoven since I was 15. In my 30s, it was a regular part of my nightly routine to listen to Ross Porter's After Hours (1993-2003). That was jazz radio show on CBC radio Mondays through Thursdays. Recently, the "kids" (actually 20 -22 yr olds) have been pretty good about some real punk rock that I would enjoy. Their recommendations also include classic period stuff like the Buzzcocks and the Jam. As far as bands "bending" to radio ... by the 80s, Yes, Tull, and the others major 70s prog giants were rich & successful enough to do as they damn well pleased. And, from all I've read, none of them put out albums that they felt forced into. There may be music or songs they regret, but then , these even have some 70s stuff carries that same opinion from them. So hopefully, you will learn that age does not matter when listening to music. Your enjoyment of it is the only important thing. If you no longer listen to a music from your youth, early adulthood, middle age, whatever, well ... that happens. And if you do listen to the same music you have since birth, that's o.k. too. Musical maturity, in my opinion, is reached when you listen to something because you find something in it. Be it a desire to dance, to relax, to F**K, whatever. Enjoy it for your reasons. ------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: el dingo
Date Posted: January 01 2009 at 12:39
I'm 51 and really understand the father/kids thing. Mine are 20 and 17; we trade stuff a lot. Cheers for mentioning The Jam & Buzzcocks. I'd add the Rich Kids to those two, but man cannot (in my opinion) live by prog alone. ------------- It's not that I can't find worth in anything, it's just that I can't find worth in enough. |
Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: January 01 2009 at 18:59
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dig your sig.
------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |