King Crimson
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Topic: King Crimson
Posted By: Jake Kobrin
Subject: King Crimson
Date Posted: February 01 2009 at 17:29
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I have In The Court... and Red. I LOVE both, especially the court. Which album should I get next? I like their "doomy" stuff better than their jazzy stuff. I also have Discipline but I don't like it. Jake ------------- http://www.facebook.com/pages/Dr-Neil-Kobrin/244687105562746" rel="nofollow - SUPPORT MY FATHER AND BECOME A FAN Jacob Kobrin Illustration |
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: February 01 2009 at 17:33
| Easy! If you like ITCOTCK, get In the Wake of Poseidon. If you like Red, get Larks' Tongues in Aspic and Starless and Bible Black (very 'doomy'). However, if you don't care too much for 'jazzy' stuff, steer clear of Lizard (which is otherwise an excellent album). |
Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: February 01 2009 at 19:09
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I'd suggest you sample The Power to Believe next, followed by Lark's Tounge in Aspic. ------------- 
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Posted By: Plankowner
Date Posted: February 01 2009 at 19:29
| Larks' tongues in Aspic... |
Posted By: Sckxyss
Date Posted: February 01 2009 at 19:32
| Yeah, definitely get a hold of Larks' tongues, then Starless and Bible Black and In the Wake of Poseidon |
Posted By: el dingo
Date Posted: February 02 2009 at 01:24
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Agree with the above but in a different order. I'd go straight to Starless (cos its my fave, natch!) then back to Poseidon and then Larks Tongues.
Apart from the obvious ITCOTCK I don't have any others myself so I'll watch this thread to see what's recommended  ------------- It's not that I can't find worth in anything, it's just that I can't find worth in enough. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 02 2009 at 07:27
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Starless is real close in style to Red as well as being it's studio predecessor. Poseidon is also real close in style to Court as well as being its successor. Of course as you now know, Discipline is a radical departure in style from Red unless you follow all the projects Fripp did in between. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: TheCaptain
Date Posted: February 02 2009 at 07:33
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Larks Tongues In Aspic gets my vote as the next gloomy album. It's also my favorite of their vast repertoire. Starless would be my next recommendation. Stay away from anything after Red for the time being. It is quite different from the classic KC. I can't get into anything past 3 Of A Perfect Pair.
------------- Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal. |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: February 02 2009 at 08:45
| Larks is essential, IMO their best work. |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: February 02 2009 at 09:33
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Its worth while giving Thak a go as well.
------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005 
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Posted By: Jozef
Date Posted: February 02 2009 at 09:56
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^^I agree with that one. Thrak is magnificent! Definitely go with Larks Tongues in Aspic, Starless & Bible Black, and check out some of the collector's club releases from the 1973-1974 tour. I have one from a show in Mainz, Germany in 1974 and another from Asbury Park, New Jersey near the end of that tour. Both have great sound quality and have excellent live versions of the songs including a non-album songs as well. ------------- 
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Posted By: omri
Date Posted: February 02 2009 at 10:02
Seconded !
You may also later try Islands. It have both sides of KC .
You may also try the albums Thrak, Construction of light and The power to believe. Those are closer to Red than to ITCOTCK. ------------- omri |
Raff wrote:Posted By: fusionfreak
Date Posted: February 02 2009 at 10:03
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Lark's Tongue in aspic! ------------- I was born in the land of Mahavishnu,not so far from Kobaia.I'm looking for the world of searchers with the help from crimson king |
Posted By: Trial and Error
Date Posted: February 02 2009 at 10:40
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From your post I would go for them in this order: 1. Starless and Bible Black - It's the closet to Red, although I get different feelings, still, the first you should check out. 2. Larks' Tongues in Aspic - One of their best works, to me their most progressive, and still quite similar to Red. 3. In the Wake of Poseidon - As already said, successor of ITCOTCK, pretty similar and great. 4. Islands - It's by far their softest and weakest from their classic catalogue to me, but it also features far less Jazz influences than Lizard. 5. Lizard - A great album in its own right, but very strong Jazz influences (if you can still only call them influences). ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Trial_And_Error/?chartstyle=SidebarRed1"> 
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Posted By: Arr@bal
Date Posted: February 18 2009 at 20:53
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Indoubtly, the timbrical mixturing, the ostinato phrases ,the gourgeous melodic tunes, the percussive pasajess and the powerfull sound landscapes of Larks make it a good reason in the continous challenge and discover of Robert Fripp and co workers.
Brufford´s aproach to drums, the voice or greg Lake, the sounds of the mellotron. The sharped and cut-trough guitar of Mr. Frip generating a sound that nobody since 1972 have repeated.
Theres no other band like King Crimsom, theres no other long play like Larks. As a unit, as whole artwort, as an opera, like a continous piece of music with a different land and a diferrent sky in each tune.
The other Long Plays I´ve listend, are awesome also. But not as a whole, as a totality. Red, for example have nice tunes and nice musical phrases. But dont have the same tension. Tha is the word. Tension. Not tension like in harmony. Tension in harmony, in rithmin, in melody. Tension in tension. Tension Manage. Compositions accurrately played and recorded, worked in the direct concerts, sculpted in the reharsals. Tension.
Larks is a Long play with a lot of tension. Relax and tension. Up and Down. Maybe Lizard have this tension i mean, but something is missing in Lizard. I dont Know Why. In the Court, have tenmsin also, but, maybe the
I think Larks is the first Crimson´s Long Play I Listened. Im tryng to remember why is so different. I just remember. The viola of David Cross. Thats the tension I meant. The rithmis out of four. The stresses in ternary compases, the influences of Jewish rithmins. The arabic rithmology in the Talking drum. an then all brokes in a Thousand of tiny sparkling musical pieces, an then again the violia, like a conteporary violin, cestroying all the tune in the good way, exploding beyond the ostinato, the tutti.
Definitevely, the best Long Play (as a whole) not as a sumatory of songs. Of the history of King Crimson.
------------- "Never let school disturb my education" "Really dont mind if you set this one out" "Live and let die" |
Posted By: Pnoom!
Date Posted: February 18 2009 at 22:18
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Get Starless & Bible Black and Larks' Tongues in Aspic. Those two are similar in atmosphere to Red, and you should like them given that you like Red and the debut. In the Wake of Poseidon is a lesser In the Court. Their jazzy stuff is mediocre anyway, so no harm there. Try Discipline again, because it's a stellar album. |
Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: February 18 2009 at 22:32
Lizard, good? I haven't laughed like that in awhile.  ------------- 
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Posted By: BroSpence
Date Posted: February 19 2009 at 01:04
| Starless and Bible Black! and Islands! |
Posted By: martinprog77
Date Posted: February 19 2009 at 01:26
 ------------- Nothing can last there are no second chances. Never give a day away. Always live for today. |
Posted By: Trial and Error
Date Posted: February 19 2009 at 03:21
Surely you mean John Wetton. Lake had left after In the Wake of Poseidon. And James Muir, who wasn't mentioned at all in your post should be the biggest difference between Starless and Larks, since he is the only difference in the line-up between the two. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Trial_And_Error/?chartstyle=SidebarRed1">
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Posted By: John McIntyre
Date Posted: February 20 2009 at 17:20
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I've been following King Crimson and (to a slightly lesser extent) Robert Fripp since late 1970, and their finest work was their first - from 1969 to 1974. I will draw a veil over the various KC projects (or projekcts) post-1982, with the possible exception of THRAK.
RED was their best studio album. "Starless" has been my personal favourite since I first heard it in late 1974. It STILL makes the hair on the back of my neck stand on end - not bad for something over 34 years old! Oddly enough, I don't rate LTIA or SaBB all that highly, but I've bought a lot of live albums from the DGM site from that era, and they are excellent. I can recommend "The Night Watch" 2CD set, which is the whole of the Amsterdam Concertgebouw gig that provided the backbone to SaBB (which I'm not keen on!) One issue I do have a problem with is the improvs that they did live. A lot of them I found 'unmusical', but that is very much a personal opinion. I do confess to a lack of understanding to spontaneous music of this type.
The biog preceding this forum contains a number of factual errors. I strongly suggest you get hold of the book "In the Court of King Crimson" by Sid Smith. Failing that, have a look at...
http://www.tron-is-king.org.uk/index.php?ID=12&CATEGORY=3-Data%20Centre - http://www.tron-is-king.org.uk/index.php?ID=12&CATEGORY=3-Data%20Centre ------------- I am one of only about 1,800 people in the world with an original M400 Mellotron! |
Posted By: Arr@bal
Date Posted: February 21 2009 at 22:14
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Thank YOU! Sorry, big mistake. I didtn mention the percussionist. Its true.Jamie Muir brings smoe new colors to the sound in LTIA. And of course i had a lapsus when I write about Lake. I prefer Wetton.
------------- "Never let school disturb my education" "Really dont mind if you set this one out" "Live and let die" |
Posted By: Jake Kobrin
Date Posted: February 21 2009 at 22:20
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I saw Posieden at the store today but I didn't have enough money to get it. I'll probably end up ordering Larks Tongue at least.
------------- http://www.facebook.com/pages/Dr-Neil-Kobrin/244687105562746" rel="nofollow - SUPPORT MY FATHER AND BECOME A FAN Jacob Kobrin Illustration |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: February 21 2009 at 22:47
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I've found what I've heard from King Crimson to be a bit boring, but it seems like I should like them, do you think I might like Power to Believe more? Maybe I should listen to Lizard, I'm more of a jazz fan these days anyway.
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: February 26 2009 at 23:26
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I hate to bump threads, but I don't want to start a new one. I think http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JaBieEqRNc&feature=related&fmt=18 - this is extremely good and I would like to hear more of something like that, where should I go? Hmm, it looks like I will probably enjoy Vroom Vroom--the strung together cut out improvisations of Thrakattak make me uneasy. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |