LaBrie's DT Days Numbered?
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Topic: LaBrie's DT Days Numbered?
Posted By: StyLaZyn
Subject: LaBrie's DT Days Numbered?
Date Posted: June 03 2009 at 06:56
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I had read that some of the band members weren't happy with James LaBrie's vocals just prior to Octavarium for whatever reason. With the release of the new Dream Theater album, there is an instrumental only CD available. I think it is kinds of ridiculous since the album is mostly instrumental as it is. Then it had crossed my mind that maybe DT might be looking for a new singer . It sounds a little far fetched, but you never know. ------------- 
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Posted By: catfood03
Date Posted: June 03 2009 at 07:04
They could stage a TV show like INXS did and audition for a new singer, or swap LaBrie for an American Idol contestant. 
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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: June 03 2009 at 07:12
No, they are being subtle about their search. Or is it just a ploy to keep the rumor mill going. That wouldn't surprise me either. Regardless, few singers could match or exceed LaBrie's offerings. The only one that could possibly fit, that I can think of, is Russell Allen. In fact, I would love to hear him sing some select DT songs. -------------
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catfood03 wrote:Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: June 03 2009 at 08:38
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Maybe you are right or maybe not because as you may not know that PORCUPINE TREE released an intrumental version of "Fear of a Blank Planet". So maybe it's just a new market trend to improve the quality and content of CD-package ! ------------- Prog On ! |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: June 03 2009 at 08:43
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I've read many times (mostly in interviews with Mike Portnoy) that they're very happy with him - I don't think that this will change any time soon.
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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: June 03 2009 at 08:47
Really? I wasn't aware of that about FoaBP. I don't know that I'd be interested in it though. -------------
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Posted By: Dalezilla
Date Posted: June 03 2009 at 09:01
Years ago I read something about Portnoy saying that if they had the chance to pick a singer now they wouldn't pick LaBrie. This sparked controversy, but Portnoy later addressed that back in the 90s singers like LaBrie were in fashion, so they picked him even though the case might be different today. However, he did also say that they are happy with LaBrie and he is the singer of DT and they will not change him. I remember reading something like this years ago, so it could be wrong. I don't remember seeing an actual interview, I just read it somewhere on the internet, so don't take this as something 100% accurate.  |
Posted By: Nightfly
Date Posted: June 03 2009 at 09:17
| It's in the book Lifting Shadows - apparently, I think it was around 8 years ago, they did consider replacing Labrie, partly on the grounds that his voice might be stopping them reaching higher popularity but mainly down to the fact that he wasn't pulling his weight and not contributing anything to the songwriting process. Rather ironic considering Portnoy and Petrucci's hold on the band in that department. also they were not satisfied with the fact that he was making no atempts to develop his skills as a vocalist (singing lessons etc) They decided that as he had been in the band for so long it may be a bad decision to change singers so they gave him an ultimatum to shape up or ship out. As he's still there i think he's unlikely to get the boot now after all this time. |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: June 03 2009 at 09:24
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^It fits as around the time of Train of Thought he did start taking classical singing lessons and his voice is better now than it has ever been.
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Posted By: Roland113
Date Posted: June 03 2009 at 10:05
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To follow up on M@X's comments, Nightwish also did a special edition of their latest album with an instrumental CD included as well. I'm seconding the theory that it's just a cheap way to add bonus content. ------------- -------someone please tell him to delete this line, he looks like a noob------- I don't have an unnatural obsession with Disney Princesses, I have a fourteen year old daughter and coping mechanisms. |
Posted By: AstralliS
Date Posted: June 03 2009 at 10:19
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Remember Systematic Chaos bonus DVD? There, Portnoy very explicitly says that James LaBrie is Dream Theater and that what you are presuming is without any principles. How much LaBrie would be bad, it wouldn't be good to have another vocalist. Maybe some guest appearances, but another change in the line-up. LaBrie is also indebted for that what Dream Theater has done as a band. And we have to accept it.
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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: June 03 2009 at 10:25
I don't have the DVD. Why would he say such a thing, especially when everyone knows that the band is run by Portnoy and Petrucci? DT is actually truly MP/JP/JM, the only original members, if it needed to be said. That strikes me as odd he would voice such a thing. -------------
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Posted By: AstralliS
Date Posted: June 03 2009 at 10:34
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He said that because LaBrie together with the rest of the original team (MP/JP/JM) "built" Dream Theater, and that fact is undisputably. It was expected that time will come when their musical capabilities will disintegrate in the run, and singer is always first in such flow. Those what really is disquietly now is the disintegration of their creativity what has the best preview on "Systematic Chaos" and "Black Clouds & Silver Linings".
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: June 03 2009 at 12:05
I actually think this is quite likely and possible ... but I don't think that it got to the point where it might hurt the chemistry in the band ...
You gotta remember that there is a lot of history of well educated musicians, which at least 3 DT members are and then some ... and employ/work with someone like James LaBrie's energy and vocal work ... the raw energy often helps develop what can end up sounding rather stoic and boring and repetitious compositions ... which (for example) my roomate thinks 6 Degrees is ... I don't ... I happen to think it is quite fine!
In my book, and you can see this on the live album with the orchestra, this is a band that KNOWS what they are doing ... and it is common for musicians that are that strong and talented to place demands on each other ... and asking LaBrie to learn something more about his voice and vocal abilities would not necessarily be a bad thing ... and I actually think that James might enjoy that ... not that he is going to sing Rigoletto tomorrow for crying out loud! Probably make a good one too!!!!
But it would add a lot to their musical expression and ability if they are not "locked" into one mode of music ... the metallic sound, for example ... and would allow the band to expand into other areas ... and YES ... I would like to see a long piece that is way more than just another sonata format piece of music! And that is important and I'm sure that the band understands this ... it might also be an issue if Myung brings out a song in a staff and James looks at it and he ... doesn't know C from a D on it ... yeah ... that would be a problem eventually when you are dealing with graduate school and above musicians!
The other concern might be that James likes his freedom to randomly vocalize and this may be an issue on a band playing some difficult music to begin with ... this is not begginner stuff and you can not teach this to a beginner musician ... and expect to stay in one piece, and in that sense, I wonder if at times James gets lost and doesn't know where he is ... which of course could easily be remedied with a couple sheets of music and such ... but I would seriously doubt that James can not read music or be stupid enough not to get better with a bunch of guys like these ... that's insane! go do pop music then!
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Posted By: Endless Wire
Date Posted: June 03 2009 at 12:06
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The bonus mixes are just for the guitar/bass/drum/key geeks that make of about 95% of the DT audience. ------------- . |
Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: June 03 2009 at 12:42
Maybe they can get Susan Boyle from "Britain's got Talent". 
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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: June 03 2009 at 12:46
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Posted By: SergiUriah
Date Posted: June 03 2009 at 14:13
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Iīd would be a good new. La Brieīs voice has never convinced me very much. Even when I saw them on stage 2 years ago, the sensation about his nasal voice was negative for me. I expected much more from him. ------------- http://img229.imageshack.us/i/bonfirma.jpg/"> 
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Posted By: Greg W
Date Posted: June 03 2009 at 15:05
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Get rid of LaBrie and you get rid of half the cheese. Get rid of the rest of the band and you get rid of the other half of cheese. Just kidding....maybe........
Seriously, Labrie did a solid job on Human Equation. With DT, he is happy singing in that old hair spray metal style of voice which is extremely annoying. He has proven, he is quite capable of singing in a more modern style, so why does he still sing with that cliched 80's style glam metal voice? YUK!
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Posted By: SFranke
Date Posted: June 03 2009 at 16:53
| I admittedly hate DT, but I have tried hard to get into the band (I've owned and listened to all but three albums). That said, when I watched the SC documentary, it became apparent that JL sounds like a nasally, insincere, cheesy goof because that's what MP wants him to sound like (so he'll fit in with the rest of the band, naturally). |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: June 03 2009 at 17:04
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^ why would someone buy 6 or more albums of a band that he hates? Nah, I'm not buying that. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 03 2009 at 17:28
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^ the lengths some will go to to impress a girl. ;) ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me. |
Posted By: King Crimson776
Date Posted: June 03 2009 at 17:59
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^ Girl's like DT!? f**k! And to think I've been trying to like Radiohead!
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Posted By: JayDee
Date Posted: June 03 2009 at 20:25
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LaBrie's gonna be replaced by Portnoy. Seriously, I can't picture Dream Theater having a different vocalist aside from LaBrie. ------------- 
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: June 03 2009 at 22:32
Oh buy it. I own all 4 Mars Volta albums and probably will buy the fifth as a song is titled after a volcano in my country. So i will end with 5 cds of a band I almost hate
 (with the exception of the first album). It's just that sometimes you try hard, and think that the next album will be the one you'll like. Alas, it doesn't happen. Regarding the thread, I would actually have serious problems digesting DT without LaBrie.
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Posted By: Isa
Date Posted: June 03 2009 at 22:35
Funny you should say that, actually... I went straight from being a total hair metal fan to a prog head in a matter of a couple weeks. I remember first hearing LaBrie's voice and thinking "wow... does he really have to sing all alternative rock like that?" Ask any real fan of hair metal, they'd disagree with that statement. |
Posted By: Scrub
Date Posted: June 04 2009 at 01:07
Get Adam Lambert please! Lol... |
Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: June 04 2009 at 01:29
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I don't like LaBrie's voice, TBH
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: June 04 2009 at 02:31
By "I'm not buying that" I really meant that I didn't believe what SFranke said on the previous page ... of course I'll be buying the album.  ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: June 04 2009 at 04:12
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DT without LaBrie would make a feel like it's missing something. Don't you think ? Genesis without Gabriel wasn't so good. I know, he in Gen was far more important, but still. Actually, DT can impress a girl, in autumn 2008, when I was in pub with girl I was dating, I turned on my notebook and showed her Score, live from 2006. She was very impressed. Same situation was few times since. And when I met my current girl this february, first thing (which was by the way one of reasons to make a date) was to show her this gig. And she loves DT since. ------------- There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu  Even my |
Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: June 04 2009 at 04:14
Be nice if you have the option of being able to isolate individual tracks, so I can remove all the crappy guitar solos from what is an otherwise really great album. ------------- 
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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: June 04 2009 at 06:49
You know, that (removing lenghty pointless solos) and the ability to replace all those drum fills with basic beats. Some soloing is needed but too much of a good thing is a bad thing. -------------
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Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: June 04 2009 at 07:02
| LaBrie sounded great on Images & Words and Awake because the song lines were outstanding and fit his voice perfectly. Iīve always felt that it was the songlines that werenīt as good on later albums and not problems with James voice. This only counts for studio work though because he absolutely sucks live. Saw Dream Theater on both the Awake and the Falling Into Infinity tours and he sounded strained and uncomfortable. He dragged the overall performance down quite a bit IMO. Havenīt bothered to see them since then though. He might have bettered his performance? |
Posted By: SFranke
Date Posted: June 04 2009 at 09:41
I paid <$4 for each one. I'll try almost anything for that price. Plus the hype machine for this band is incredible. I do like I&A, ACOS, and the Glass Prison. Everything else I find extremely irritating. Oh well; I gave them an honest try. |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: June 04 2009 at 10:59
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^ why use a strong word like "hate" then, if you even like some of their works? Of course you can say (almost) anything you want about them, I just find it a bit strange.
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: June 04 2009 at 10:59
By "buy it" I actually meant that you should buy what you weren't buying, which is SFranke's statement that he bought albums of a band he hates. I was just giving some more evidence that such a silly behavior can happen, and does happen, like my TMV experience shows...
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Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: June 04 2009 at 12:55
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Best news I've heard in a long time.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 04 2009 at 13:02
Nah, seriously, get Topi Lehtipuu. Excellent singer and violinist, and I feel that DT would really benefit from a violinist. I could see them moving to a more operatic and chamber-metal side. ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me. |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: June 04 2009 at 13:02
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No way to really know unless something happens, but I HOPE this is true! I would like to see a new vocalist. |
Posted By: darksideof
Date Posted: June 04 2009 at 13:10
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Posted By: darksideof
Date Posted: June 04 2009 at 13:17
that is soo odd! and crazy.
I think Labrie's singing is getting better and better, since Metropolis. I think he used to scream on the early DT albums now he is singing not yelling. and why would DT would be looking for a new singer? to sing labrie tunes? that is insane.! Unless it is Labrie that quit! ------------- http://darksideofcollages.blogspot.com/ http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/ https://www.facebook.com/pages/Darksideof-Collages/ |
Posted By: SFranke
Date Posted: June 04 2009 at 13:37
Despite the stuff of theirs I like, on the net, I just find them utterly repugnant. Also I am a bit disappointed I am unable to share in the orgasmic pleasure the fans seem to derive from the band. So really I hate the fact that I don't love the band. No sl*g against the fans, of course; I personally refer to attending Rush concerts as pilgrimages. |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: June 04 2009 at 13:47
LaBrie ruptured his vocal chords on either the Images and Words or Awake tour (cant remember which and it was because of food poisoning). His vocal performance of the last 10 years are far better than that of Falling Into Infinity. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: June 04 2009 at 13:50
In all honesty, I can't tell. He sounds the same as he ever did. One thing is for sure, he can't sing that metal type stuff. As a matter of fact, that band can't really play it that well either. They need to stick to Prog. -------------
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Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: June 05 2009 at 02:05
I believe that it was after Awake was released, so I think it was the Awake tour.
In any event, and not in response to you UMUR, Labrie's voice is pretty much fully functional, though I still think it's grating. Listening to the latest live recordings as in Chaos in Motion is pretty torturous for me. For some reason Labrie seems to feel he has to add a sh*tload of vibrato to the tone of his voice when he needs to belt out his higher notes. Listen to a recording of "Blind Faith", especially in the chorus sections, in Chaos in Motion and see what I mean.
However, the rest of his comrades in DT certainly aren't letting him go anytime soon. ------------- 
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: June 08 2009 at 09:10
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Hi, Ohhh btw ... the rumor is that LaBrie is gone ... and that Dream Theater is getting Dennis De Young to lead sing their stuff ...
Thought you might like to know this ...
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: June 08 2009 at 13:12
Didnt matter too much in the studio as it can be fixed up, but his voice really wasnt any good live at that time. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: June 08 2009 at 13:35
Well Dennis does need the work since he lost that Styx gig. |
Posted By: Michelle1PA
Date Posted: July 08 2009 at 11:09
That's not for me. The most I'll have of any band I don't like is two. I'll try something once and give it a second chance, if the second chance doesn't pan out, I'm done. I'm still open to more music by said band, and if what I hear online convinces me otherwise, sure I'll go for it again. Using your own Mars Volta comparison; their EP Concertina intruiged me. I love De-Loused in the Comatorium so I purchased Amputechture when that was released and I couldn't stand it (though I will give it another go in the future) I already knew I didn't like Frances the Mute. So I think they were a two-trick pony for me. |
Posted By: Lodij van der Graaf
Date Posted: July 21 2009 at 05:43
| Just what kinda voice Dream Theater will get if they kicks James out? |
Posted By: Proggy Pogo
Date Posted: July 21 2009 at 07:19
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I hope not, I think LaBrie is a great singer. I was listening to SFAM in the car this morning and thinking how great his vocals are, especially on 'Home'. ------------- 
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Posted By: Lodij van der Graaf
Date Posted: July 21 2009 at 08:22
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Yess, "Home" saw great vocal performance by James LaBrie... Another one is in "Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence" |
Posted By: Tzibo
Date Posted: July 21 2009 at 13:24
Hunh, I like LaBrie's voice and I think that it's a big part of Dream Theater. You know, Myung is an amazing bassist technically, but I probably wouldn't notice if he was changed for someone else who has the same technical skills. I don't know if the same would go for Petrucci and Portnoy (hm... I don't know? Maybe not?) but for LaBrie - no way. He has a distinct voice and when so many people hate his voice it can't be anything but true. I, for one, love his voice. :O So I don't hope he will be changed...
Whhaaaat? I just listened to Human Equation a few days ago and I must say that I was disappointed to his performance! Sure, I could stand it but it couldn't stand out from the group. (Comparing to, for example, Marcela Bovio. A beautiful voice, that one <3) I would say that it was one of his worst performances (from what I've heard) and then again, Black Clouds & Silver Linings one of his best performances. But of course this is just my opinion. :P |
Posted By: hirszu
Date Posted: July 21 2009 at 14:00
| Well, LaBrie's vocal condtition changes. Sometimes he starts yelling. It happens when the vocal part he sings is just too high for him. Just listen to "I Walk Beside You" from Score DVD. But people who have seen recent concerts say that it's better than on previous tours and his form is perfect now! I'm waiting for Theater's show in Poland, we'll see :) |
Posted By: BLITZKRIEG
Date Posted: July 21 2009 at 14:10
| Labrie is a good vocalist. Live, he is just average. His studio work is awesome. One of his best performances is Another Day. |
Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: July 21 2009 at 14:18
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I think it's time for LaBrie to go solo and break from the 80's glam style. After BC&SL, it's evident that DT can not grow anymore. Besides, if they took a ten year hiatus, the reunion tour would be huge. -------------
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Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: July 21 2009 at 14:30
Actually, DT is MP, and that's it. Everything starts and ends with him. He's very controlling on what he does or doesn't like in the band. If he would someday decide to get a new vocalist, it wouldn't matter if the other guys still wanted to keep LaBrie; he would still get replaced. Because what Portnoy says goes. Now having said that, LaBrie is one of my favorite vocalists, and I would be quite upset if he were replaced. I realize that his vocal rupture had some negative effect on his range, but he is still more capable than most vocalists his age despite that incident. I realize a lot of people would be overjoyed if James got kicked out, but honestly, I have never understood why so many people hate him as a singer. I think he's bloody great. Here is the reason I oersonally don't think LaBrie is getting replaced; the guys in DT had a hell of a time finding a singer the first time around. Mike said that it was one of the most frustrating periods they ever went through. I honestly don't think they would want to go through that again, especially now that they are beginning to regain their popularity a bit. Looking for a new singer now would just delay things. |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: July 22 2009 at 07:40
I thought it was Steven Wilson's version for the Karaoke crowd! ... I mean ... why not?
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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: July 22 2009 at 08:37
Let's not forget something. SW is well known for his 5.1 mixes focusing on the music aspect. On the other hand, DT is not. -------------
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Posted By: Silly
Date Posted: July 22 2009 at 10:03
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I read on the DT website that the purpose of the instrumental version of the new album was so you could use it with software to isolate the individual tracks to either do your own mix of the album or maybe to learn the indivdual instrument parts properlly. Seeing as a hell of alot of DT fans play instruments and aspire to play the songs, it makes sense to me. (?) ------------- +OlLiE |
Posted By: hirszu
Date Posted: July 22 2009 at 10:15
| Yes, but on the other hand, who can play DT 100% correctly :D |
Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: July 22 2009 at 10:24
Ah, the idea Aerosmith came up with, eh? I'm many will have fun with this one! So all the tracks are isolated? -------------
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Posted By: hirszu
Date Posted: July 22 2009 at 10:33
| If I understood everything, they're not. You must seperate them yourself. I don't know what software to use. |
Posted By: camilleanne
Date Posted: July 22 2009 at 19:29
Maybe, but I think it's better if they will not look for a new vocalist.
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Date Posted: July 22 2009 at 19:45
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Posted By: Fieldofsorrow
Date Posted: July 23 2009 at 01:57
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I've always loved LaBrie, and I really think it would very hard to replace him. I've heard both Geoff Tate and Mikael Akerfeldt (two outstanding vocalists) take on 'The Spirit Carries On' and 'Repentance' respectively, and the presence that James provides, which I believe to be taken for granted, was remarkably lacking, in my opinion. But anyway, love him or hate him, he is an extremely talented singer, and has been trained by one of the world's finest vocal coaches. He knows what he's doing, even if he does have difficulty live. ------------- Groovy teenage rock with mild prog tendencies: http://www.myspace.com/omniabsenceband |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: December 19 2009 at 17:39
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Perhaps LaBrie could join Rush for a project. It could be called Russian Cheese (Rush 'n Cheese) - popped into my head while in the shower for some reason and I uselessly felt like posting it..
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Posted By: Kashmir75
Date Posted: December 19 2009 at 18:14
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The idea of the instrumental version of BC&SL is probably for guitarists to play along with it. Notice that all of Petrucci's lead guitar parts are cut out in the instrumentals (notably the solo at the beginning of Count of Tuscany)? I can't picture the band without Labrie. I had heard about that ultimatum around the Six Degrees... era, but he has improved his performance since then. Personally, I think on all albums since Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence, he's done a great job. Some have a problem with all the metal, and growling. Well, when the band first started, glam rock, and AOR was pretty big business still. Nowadays, what with Lamb of God and Mastodon, etc, glam vocals just stick out like a sore thumb. DT have to keep up with the times, or get left behind. And they have indeed kept up. BC&SL was well received by the metal press, probably moreso than the prog community. ------------- Hello, mirror. So glad to see you, my friend. It's been a while... |
Posted By: meatal
Date Posted: December 19 2009 at 18:27
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Really liked Labrie on Images and Words, one of my all time favorite albums, could deal with him on Awake but after that, still enjoy DT's musicianship, but he is the weakest part of the band for my tastes and & would like to see another singer.
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: December 20 2009 at 15:25
No, it's not the Instrumental disc of the 3 disc Special edition, the CD with the isolated individual tracks is to be found in the Deluxe Box set, which is much more expenssive, and as far as I know it has many other goodies. More information can be found at Dream Theaters official website. |
Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: December 22 2009 at 05:14
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