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Topic: Top 10 Fusion Albums
Posted By: deafmoon
Subject: Top 10 Fusion Albums
Date Posted: August 01 2009 at 16:48
Only 1 album per band/artist please:
Birds of Fire - Mahavishnu Orchestra, Believe It- The New Tony Williams Lifetime, Weather Report- Heavy Weather, Romantic Warrior - Return To Forever, Caravanserai- Santana, Enigmatic Ocean- Jean Luc Ponty, Thrust- Herbie Hancock's Headhunters, One Of A Kind - Bruford, Gauzeuse- Pierre Moerlen's Gong, Unorthodox Behaviour - Brand X
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: August 01 2009 at 17:45
Difficult task, but let's see:
United Jazz and Rock Ensemble - Live im Schützenhaus the first album of this top notch European band caused quite a stir when it came out. Weather Report - Black Market in m opinion the best album of Weather Report.. Mahavishnu Orchestra - The Inner Mounting Flame Miles Davis is usually given the credit for inventing the genre, but I think that this record really explored the territory while Miles had only taken a step across the border.. Guru Guru - Dance of the Flames the German answer to "The Inner Mounting Flame", with some of the usual Guru Guru humor thrown in for good measure. Bruford - Feels Good to Me I like this album better than "One of a Kind" because of the contributions of Annette Peacock. Gong - Gazeuse the album that showed how jazz-rock could sound with a lot of "bingely-bing" thrown in. Brand X - Unorthodox Behaviour the first album of Brand X still is a milestone in European fusion. Volker Kriegel - Inside: Missing Link this is a double album. the second disc is with the orthodox guitar, keyboards, drums, bass line-up, the first one has a horn section (trombone, trumpet, saxes) thrown in for good measure and is the more experimental of the two. another highlight of European fusion. Oregon - Winter Lights this is like a mixture of world music and jazz. nice to listen to by candle light, with frost patterns on the windows. Frank Zappa - The Grand Wazoo this sometimes quite cacophonic album explores the boundaries of orchestral fusion.
this list may be a totally different one on another day. there are just too many great albums to choose from
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: August 01 2009 at 20:33
Santana - Caravanserai
Nucleus - We"ll Talk About It Later
Out Of Focus - Out Of Focus
Miles Davis - Bitches Brew
Herbie Hancock's Mwandishi - Sextant
Return To Forever - Hymn To The Seventh Galaxy
Mahavishnu Orchestra - Birds Of Fire
Weather Report - debut
Soft Machine - Six & Third
Sloche - J'un Oeuil
Maneige - Libre Service
definitely Worth mentionning
Brand X - Morroccan Roll
B Cobham - Spectrum
Embryo - Steig aus
Larry Coryell - Barefoot Boy
Gong - Gazeuse
Perigeo - Azimut
Iceberg - Coses Nostres
Secret Oyster - Sea Con.
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Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: August 01 2009 at 20:57
Miles Davis - Agharta
Herbie Hancock - Crossings
Larry Young - Spaceball
Bennie Maupin - Slow Traffic to the Right
Billy Cobham - Shabazz
Santana - Santana I
Jon McLaughlin - Devotion
Jaga Jazzist - What We Must
Osibisa - Superfly TNT soundtrack
Weather Report - I Sing the Body Electric
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Posted By: crimson87
Date Posted: August 01 2009 at 21:10
OK , fusion is one of my favourite subgenres I could come with loads of lists.
1-Soft Machine - Third
2-Ain Soph-Hat and Field
3-ANY MILES RECORD FROM 1969 TO 1975
4-Santana-Caravanserai
5-Mahavishnu Orchestra-Birds of fire
6-Frank Zappa-Hot Rats
7-Focus- Focus III ( To hell with labels , this band has jazz all over them)
8-Weather Report- I sing the Body Electric
9-Jean luc Ponty-Enigmatic Ocean
10-Spinetta- A 18' del Sol
11-Hiromi-Beyond Standard
Bonus Track : Live at the fillmore East by the Allman Brothers.
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Posted By: Noak
Date Posted: August 02 2009 at 06:30
Return to Forever-Where Have I Known You Before Stanley Clarke-School Days Weather Report-Heavy Weather Frank Zappa-Hot Rats Miles Davis-In A Silent Way Herbie Hancock-Crossings Al Di Meola-Elegant Gypsy Mahavishnu Orchestra-Inner Mounting Flame Miles Davis-A Tribute to Jack Johnson Soft Machine-Fourth
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Posted By: deafmoon
Date Posted: August 03 2009 at 12:24
Wow, the folks that responded sure recommended some great stufff to dig into. Here's 10 more that I will recommend to the masses...
Alliquante - Edition Speciale, Road Games - Allan Holdsworth, Cinque - Deus Ex Machina , Adventures Of The Astral Pirates - Lenny White, Cross Collateral - Passport, Ivanhoe - Bunny Brunel, Diffraction - Priam, Transformation - David Sancious, Mind Transplant - Alphonse Mouzon, Electricglide - Gary Boyle
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Posted By: The Runaway
Date Posted: August 03 2009 at 12:34
1. Colosseum II - Strange New Flesh
2. Colosseum II - Strange New Flesh
3. Colosseum II - Strange New Flesh
4. Colosseum II - Strange New Flesh
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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: August 03 2009 at 13:43
Mine are pretty obvious:
1. Mahavishnu Orchestra - Birds of Fire
2. Weather Report - Body Electric
3. Billy Cobham - Spectrum
4. Brand X - Unorthodox Behavior
5. Ohm: - Debut
6. Alphonse Mouzon - Mind Transplant
7. Pat Matheny - The Way Up
8. Return to Forever - Romantic Warrior
9. Miles Davis - BB
10. Zappa - Hot Rats
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: August 03 2009 at 13:45
#1 Spectrum - Billy Cobham #2 Unorthodox Behaviour - Brand X #3 Abraxas - Santana #4 British Tour '75 - Soft Machine #5 The Grand Wazoo - Zappa #6 Bajo Belgrano - Spinetta Jade #7 Enigmatic Ocean - Jean-Luc Ponty #8 A Part, Yet Apart - Bill Bruford Earthworks #9 Visions of the Emerald Beyond - Mahavishnu Orchestra #10 Minority Report - Alejandro Herrera #11 American Garage - Pat Metheny Group #12 Wired/Blow by Blow - Jeff Beck
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: August 03 2009 at 15:11
You want a fusion chart ... here we go:


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Posted By: JROCHA
Date Posted: August 03 2009 at 15:56
Elegant Gypsy - Al Di Meola Black Market - Weather Report Inner Mountain Flame - Mahavishnu What If - Dixie Dregs The Romantic Warrior - Return to Forever Unorthodox Behavior - Brand X Spectrum - Billy Cobham Pat Metheny - Watercolors Jaco Pastorius - Jaco Pastorius Stanley Clarke- Stanley Clarke
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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: August 03 2009 at 15:58
The Quiet One badly needs the Alphonse Mouzon album!!!
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24 of 24 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars All Time Fusion Top 10, July 20, 2003
By A Customer
This is the runner-up to Cobham's famous "Spectrum" album in the
heavyweight championship of 1970s fusion drumming & in some
ways it's even better. Granted, Mouzondoes not play half as many
odd-meters as Cobham (who was the ultimate master of odds along
with Bill Bruford), but there's something wilder & more greasy about
Mouzon's deep smacking grooves, solos & ultra-fast fills that puts things
really over-the-top. The Tommy Bolin jams are fantastic--the slow-burn
grooves like Golden Rainbows & Snowbound custom-made for cruising
& the scorching "Nitroglycerine" for more spaztic moods--but for me
"Ascorbic Acid" with Lee Ritenour is the ultimate track on here,
the one to use to blow people completely away. Anyone asks you
who the fastest drummer in the world is & even mentions someone
like Vinnie Colaiuta, Steve Smith or Neal Peart, just play them that track
& watch them shut-up real quick! It just smokes them into complete awed
submission & after that there might be discussions about other
aspects of what makes a great drummer but arguments about speed are history.
So, it would have to naturally follow from the strong, enthusiastic words
written above that in the pantheon of 'greatest ever fusion albums with
plenty of wailing electric guitar,' "Mind Transplant" would have to rate at
around number nine, number nine, number nine, number nine, number nine.............
Here's the rest of my list in case fusion fanatics are interested:
1. Mahavishnu - Cleveland 1972 2. Mahavishnu - The Inner Mounting Flame 3. Mahavishnu - Birds of Fire 4. Mahavishnu - Between Nothingness & Eternity 5. Mahavishnu - Lost Trident Sessions 6. Billy Cobham - Spectrum 7. Nova - Blink 6. Bill Bruford - One of A Kind 7. Brand X - Livestock 8. Jean-Luc Ponty - Enigmatic Ocean 9. Alphonse Mouzon - "Mind Transplant" 10.John Abercrombie - Timeless 11. Bill Bruford - Gradually Going Tornado 12. Secret Oyster - Straight to the Krankenhaus 13. Alan Holdsworth I.O.U. 14. Lenny White - Adventures of Astral Pirates 15. Larry Coryell - Barefoot Boy 16. Brand X - Unorthodox Behaviour 17. Soft Machine - "Softs" 18. Eleventh House with Larry Coryell 19. Bill Bruford - Feels Good To Me 20. Colosseum - Electric Savage |
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: August 03 2009 at 16:47
^from Amazon, right? If so, I think I've read that, and yes I know I need it right now!!
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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: August 03 2009 at 17:19
Yeah that's the lead review from Amazon.
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Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: August 03 2009 at 17:55
"Inner Mounting Flame" - Mahavishnu Orchestra "Spectrum" - Billy Cobham "Introducing the Eleventh House with Larry Coryell" - Eleventh House "Return to the Seventh Galaxy: The Anthology" - Return to Forever "Bitches Brew" - Miles Davis "Sweetnighter" - Weather Report "Imaginary Voyage" - Jean-Luc Ponty "Love Devotion Surrender" - John McLaughlin and Carlos Santana "World Tour" - The Zawinul Syndicate "The Elektric Band" - Chick Corea Elektric Band
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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: August 03 2009 at 21:23
GREAT topic, thanks!!
How can you folks be missing "Masques" by Brand X?? "Deadly Nightshade" is the best!
I'd also nominate "Where have I known you before" by Return To Forever, " "Land of the Midnight Sun" by Al Dimeola, "UK" by "UK", "Shakti" by John McLaughlin, "Blow By Blow" by Jeff Beck, etc.
Shawn Lane did some hellacious jazz-rock guitar, can't think of a title, but seek him out on You Tube with Jonas Hellborg!
*sigh*! I sure miss jazz-rock fusion from the 1980's!
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Posted By: LiquidEternity
Date Posted: August 03 2009 at 21:41
I have to admit, here--because I no of nowhere else I should put this--that I'm having terrific difficulty enjoying jazz fusion. I love jazz. Coltrane, Davis, Hancock, Tyner, Mingus, etc. But for some reason Weather Report, Mahavishnu Orchestra, Jean-Luc Ponty, Return to Forever, Brand X... all these and more have completely failed to interest me. I wish I could figure out why.
So under this heading, top ten jazz fusion albums, I'm going to have to wildly skew things towards the jazz side and almost entirely away from the fusion. Perhaps.
1. Frank Zappa - Hot Rats 2. Davis - A Tribute to Jack Johnson 3. Herbie Hancock - Headhunters 4. Mogul Thrash - Mogul Thrash (incidentally, I only ever checked out their music because their name is so unbelievably cool) 5. Pat Metheny Group - The Way Up 6. Fromuz - Overlook
And I think that's going to be it. The rest doesn't have enough fusion in it to be allowed here, I don't think.
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: August 03 2009 at 21:51
United Jazz and Rock Ensemble: Break Even Point Barbara Thompson's Paraphernalia: Shifting Sands Release Music Orchestra: Garuda Return to Forever: Same Jasper van't Hof's Pork Pie: The Door is Open Eberhard Weber's Colours: Silent Feet Aera: Live Embryo: Rocksession Rabih Abou-Khalil: Blue Camel Hadouk: Baldamore
With the last two it is a bit questionable whether they fit under "fusion"; perhaps "world jazz" would be a better moniker. Music that's hard to categorize.
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: August 04 2009 at 03:18
cstack3 wrote:
*sigh*! I sure miss jazz-rock fusion from the 1980's! |
wrong years for that. !! 
Nothing beats the early 70's as with Prog 
By the 80's most fusion artistes were doing stuff that's fairlyt boring like ECM jazz >>> Not that I don't like ECM, but in the mid-80's, many album started to sound like elevator music.....
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: August 04 2009 at 04:46
Here's my chart again, but this time divided by main genre (jazz, rock, metal):

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Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: August 04 2009 at 13:11
this Panzerballet album must be really good eh? I've heard a few samples and was blown away...
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: August 04 2009 at 13:48
Sean Trane wrote:
cstack3 wrote:
*sigh*! I sure miss jazz-rock fusion from the 1980's! |
wrong years for that. !! 
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What about the artists signed on the GPR label? The "label bleu" in France ?
Some artists that were very active in the 80's :
Allan Holdsworth
Dave Weckl
Mike Stern
Spyro Gyra
Gamalon
Steps ahead
Sixun
Brecker brothers
Khalil Chahine
Rippingtones
Chick Corea and Elektric Band
Bob Berg
Frank Gambale
Pat Metheny
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Posted By: Hawkwise
Date Posted: August 04 2009 at 13:53
1. Shamel Gong 2. Focus 3 Focus 3 Unorthodox Behaviour Brand X 4. Leave It Open Pierre Moerlen's Gong 5. Hot Rats Frank Zappa 6. Gazeuse Gong 7. Visions Of the Emerald Beyond Mahavishnu Orchestra 8. One of a Kind Bill Bruford 9. Deep End Isotope 10. There and Back Jeff Beck .
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Posted By: deafmoon
Date Posted: August 04 2009 at 19:53
There was a plethora of Fusion - Jazz/Rock in the 70's yes, but some stuff surfaced in the 80's that was deadly as well...
Step It - Bill Connors
Elektric Band - Chick Corea
Smokin' - Billy Cobham's Glass Menagerie
Magnetic - Steps Ahead
Atavachron - Allan Holdsworth
Mahavishnu - Mahavishnu Orchestra
Eyewitness - Steve Khan
Apple Juice - Tom Scott
Live In New York - Stuff
Clarke/Duke Project - Stanley Clarke & George Duke Band
------------- Deafmoon
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Posted By: Bitterblogger
Date Posted: August 04 2009 at 20:40
Alphabetically:
Bitches Brew - Miles
8:30 - Weather Report
Infinity Machine - Passport
The Inner Mounting Flame - Mahavishnu Orch.
Moroccan Roll - Brand X
Night Of The Living Dregs - Dixie Dregs
Oh, Yeah? - Jan Hammer
One Of A Kind - Bruford
Spectrum - Billy Cobham
There & Back - Jeff Beck
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: August 04 2009 at 21:40
It changes...
Miles Davis - Get Up With It Herbie Hancock - Crossings Magma - Kobaia Sun Ra - Languidity Soft Machine - Third Bennie Maupin - Slow Traffic Nucleus - Elastic Rock Area - Maledetti Tony WIlliams Lifetime - Emergency Eddie Henderson - Sunburst
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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: August 04 2009 at 23:42
Sean Trane wrote:
cstack3 wrote:
*sigh*! I sure miss jazz-rock fusion from the 1980's! |
wrong years for that. !! 
Nothing beats the early 70's as with Prog 
By the 80's most fusion artistes were doing stuff that's fairlyt boring like ECM jazz >>> Not that I don't like ECM, but in the mid-80's, many album started to sound like elevator music..... |
You have a point, but many of the best concerts I saw in the genre were early to mid 1980s! These include John McLaughlin's One Truth Band, Bill Bruford's group with Holdsworth & "The Amazing" John Clark, Holdsworth and IOU (Wackerman, Jeff Berlin), Al Dimeola, and healthy doses of Brand X!! Believe me, this was not elevator muzak!!
By the later 1980's, I saw the genre peter out, although there were a few attempts (Sarah Pillow with Goodsall and Percy Jones for example). On occasion, I see some mind-altering stuff in Chicago like Fareed Haque Group and Kick the Cat!! Man, KTC can BLOW THE DOORS OFF!!
So, fusion still lives, seek it out while you can!! Enjoy!!
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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: August 05 2009 at 03:13
Oh yeah, don't forget "Jazz Odyssey" by Spinal Tap!!
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Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: August 05 2009 at 08:20
lucas wrote:
Rippingtones
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Posted By: deafmoon
Date Posted: August 05 2009 at 09:27
There really is no debate on the 70's being the fertile period for fusion music. You had all these youngsters that came up under the tutelage of Miles Davis and Art Blakey from the 60's that were just tuned into the rock scene as well and they formulated their new music in that blend.
Emergency with John McLaughlin and Tony Williams of the 1st Tony Williams Lifetime really broke the mold of the past. But you can hear some stuff as early as Miles In The Sky, particularly because of Tony Williams straight eigth-note pulse on that album.
Bitches Brew, which came around the same time, was a planned and somewhat forced album by Miles in his effort to capture the NEW SOUND he was hearing with rock.
Miles intentionally was changing up the player combinations on those sessions to get an amalgamation of what he had heard Tony and Herbie going for with Miles In The Sky.
Although I like Bitches Brew better than Emergency, I really think Emergency was the trail blazer for fusion.
Tony Williams was really young, maybe 22/23 years old after Miles, so his ears were far more open at that time.
By the middle 70's, Tony had found a nice blend of the straight eight note pattern to accent the upbeat of the pulse and layerring in a sixteenth, he was reverse swinging the pulse as "d%dd d%dd d%dd d%dd" in 4/4 time. You can hear this all over the album Believe It with Allan Holdsworth, Alan Pasqua and Tony Newton. This album is essential listening for fusion and prog as well. A bit rock at times, a bit funk and pure smoke on the tune FRED. If you haven't heard this album, you owe it to yourself to do so. Not that we are all musicians, but the playing on this album - schooled many of the fusion albums we all named here as great!
------------- Deafmoon
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: August 05 2009 at 09:34
lucas wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
cstack3 wrote:
*sigh*! I sure miss jazz-rock fusion from the 1980's! |
wrong years for that. !! 
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What about the artists signed on the GPR label? The "label bleu" in France ?
Some artists that were very active in the 80's :
Allan Holdsworth
Dave Weckl
Mike Stern
Spyro Gyra
Gamalon
Steps ahead
Sixun
Brecker brothers
Khalil Chahine
Rippingtones
Chick Corea and Elektric Band
Bob Berg
Frank Gambale
Pat Metheny
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I'll agree that there are some names I haven't a clue of in your list, so I can't judge them , but the others had their better albums in the 70's (Corea, Metheny, Spiro, Brecker, Holdsworth)
To me the 80's were dominated by the ECM label (by it was not monopolistic either), and their catalogue is very representative of the 80's jazz scene.
How can that 80's cold fusion (sometimes close to new age or elevator music) can compare to the red hot lava-flowing fusion of the early to mid-70's.
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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: August 05 2009 at 11:50
Sean Trane wrote:
lucas wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
cstack3 wrote:
*sigh*! I sure miss jazz-rock fusion from the 1980's! |
wrong years for that. !! 
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What about the artists signed on the GPR label? The "label bleu" in France ?
Some artists that were very active in the 80's :
Allan Holdsworth
Dave Weckl
Mike Stern
Spyro Gyra
Gamalon
Steps ahead
Sixun
Brecker brothers
Khalil Chahine
Rippingtones
Chick Corea and Elektric Band
Bob Berg
Frank Gambale
Pat Metheny
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I'll agree that there are some names I haven't a clue of in your list, so I can't judge them , but the others had their better albums in the 70's (Corea, Metheny, Spiro, Brecker, Holdsworth)
To me the 80's were dominated by the ECM label (by it was not monopolistic either), and their catalogue is very representative of the 80's jazz scene.
How can that 80's cold fusion (sometimes close to new age or elevator music) can compare to the red hot lava-flowing fusion of the early to mid-70's. |
Quite honestly, I'm not even familiar with the type of "cold fusion" you are referring to, unless you mean tripe like Kenny G etc.!
One HUGE difference between the periods was the emergence of new technology.....instead of the ubiquitous Mini-Moog (think Jan Hammer!), we saw the rise of the Prophet 5, Poly Moog and other advanced keys. The players I knew used these to great advantage!
Guitar technology also advanced radically with the Roland guitar synth! Bob Fripp was an early adopter, with the "Discipline" LP. Very soon afterwards, the guitar synth was being used by McLaughlin, Dimeola, Steve Morse, John Goodsall and many others.
So, these were different chapters. There were tremendous classic LPs of the 1970's, but the music did evolve through the early 1980's. It was only later in the decade that it seemed to run out of steam.
Fortunately, we seem to have a "new wave" (ugh, hate that term!) of fusion with guys like Fareed Haque! And, even the old guys (RTF) have their chops back! I see fusion in very evolutionary terms, just like classical prog.
Seek out Kick The Cat, a bunch of young guys in Chicago that give Brand X a good run for the money!!!
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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: August 05 2009 at 14:05
Here, listen to some "Kick the Cat" mp3 samples! These kids are GREAT!
http://www.kickthecatmusic.com/recordings.html
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: August 06 2009 at 05:06
cstack3 wrote:
One HUGE difference between the periods was the emergence of new technology.....instead of the ubiquitous Mini-Moog (think Jan Hammer!), we saw the rise of the Prophet 5, Poly Moog and other advanced keys. The players I knew used these to great advantage! |
I know...  you can already smell those stinky synthesizers in the seconfd part of the 70's, especially with Zawinul and later Hancock. Ponty's better albums alsohave these geeky synths  sounds.
Personally I don't think new technology is often used to great advantage, especially those of the 80's. Hancock's Rock It  is the perfect example of this.
cstack3 wrote:
Guitar technology also advanced radically with the Roland guitar synth! Bob Fripp was an early adopter, with the "Discipline" LP. Very soon afterwards, the guitar synth was being used by McLaughlin, Dimeola, Steve Morse, John Goodsall and many others.
So, these were different chapters. There were tremendous classic LPs of the 1970's, but the music did evolve through the early 1980's. It was only later in the decade that it seemed to run out of steam.
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Puleaeaease!!  Not the syn-clavier .... I can't f**kin hear anymore (never could) that garbage tool that took away all of McL's fire in hisplaying.
Mahavishnu's 84 reincarnation with Helborg is justa boring demonstration of virtuosity.....
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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: August 06 2009 at 12:19
Sean Trane wrote:
cstack3 wrote:
One HUGE difference between the periods was the emergence of new technology.....instead of the ubiquitous Mini-Moog (think Jan Hammer!), we saw the rise of the Prophet 5, Poly Moog and other advanced keys. The players I knew used these to great advantage! |
I know...  you can already smell those stinky synthesizers in the seconfd part of the 70's, especially with Zawinul and later Hancock. Ponty's better albums alsohave these geeky synths  sounds.
Personally I don't think new technology is often used to great advantage, especially those of the 80's. Hancock's Rock It  is the perfect example of this.
cstack3 wrote:
Guitar technology also advanced radically with the Roland guitar synth! Bob Fripp was an early adopter, with the "Discipline" LP. Very soon afterwards, the guitar synth was being used by McLaughlin, Dimeola, Steve Morse, John Goodsall and many others.
So, these were different chapters. There were tremendous classic LPs of the 1970's, but the music did evolve through the early 1980's. It was only later in the decade that it seemed to run out of steam.
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Puleaeaease!!  Not the syn-clavier .... I can't f**kin hear anymore (never could) that garbage tool that took away all of McL's fire in hisplaying.
Mahavishnu's 84 reincarnation with Helborg is justa boring demonstration of virtuosity.....
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I know, some folks went WAY overboard on the guitar synth! Pat Metheny comes to mind, but he still generated some good stuff along the way.
I saw Al Dimeola in Tulsa OK about 1986, he was using his grey Paul Reed Smith with custom guitar synth, playing samples of his Brazilian vocalist....it was UNREAL!! John Goodsall was another adopter, his "Fire Merchants" work was amazing (although, when I spoke with him in Chicago, he said he went back to basics & used his old Strat rig).
Steve Morse is another guy who used guitar synth to jaw-dropping effect, I'm thinking of Dixie Dregs live, about 1995.
I never got into Hancock's stuff back then, but Chick Corea was kickass in Tulsa with Gambale, Patitucci etc. It was a real clinic!
So, we can just listen to the SAME OLD STUFF over & over & over, or look for gems and real progression! Truly creative players will embrace the new tech & figure out new sounds that enhance, rather than detract, from the music. McLaughlin and many others seem best when they stay away from it completely.
There's certainly a place for a Les Paul with Mesa Boogie amp turned to 11!
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Posted By: Tsevir Leirbag
Date Posted: August 06 2009 at 13:58
Okay here it goes:
1- Frank Zappa - Hot Rats
2- Miles Davis - Bitches Brew
3- Mahavishnu Orchestra - Birds of Fire
4- Herbie Hancock - Sextant
5- Sloche - Stadaconé
6- The Soft Machine - Third
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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: August 06 2009 at 16:01
OK, my ten (man what difficult homework!!), not in any order:
Weather Report, "Heavy Weather"
Mahivishnu Orchestra, "Visions of the Emerald Beyond"
Al Dimeola, "Land of the Midnight Sun"
Return to Forever, "Where Have I Known You Before"
Brand X, "Masques"
Bill Bruford, "Gradually Going Tornado"
Stanley Clarke, "Stanley Clarke"
Jeff Beck, "Blow By Blow"
Fire Merchants, "Fire Merchants"
John McLaughlin, "Shakti"
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Posted By: GaryB
Date Posted: August 07 2009 at 08:56
In no particular order:
Bonfire - s/t
RTF - Romantic Warrior
Colosseum II - Electric Savage
Billy Cobham - Spectrum
Al Di Meola - Elegant Gypsy
Isotope - Illusion
Missing Link - Nevergreen
Nova - Blink
Scope - s/t
Jean-Luc Ponty - Enigmatic Ocean
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: August 07 2009 at 09:55
aapatsos wrote:
this Panzerballet album must be really good eh? I've heard a few samples and was blown away...
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You'll either love it or hate it ... 
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Posted By: deafmoon
Date Posted: August 07 2009 at 19:46
Hey cstack3: Fire Merchants uh? Yes, they are in my longer list. I have a special affinity for the 2nd disc Landlords of Atlantis because Audiophile Imports sent me a John Goodsall autographed copy of it when I bought it many years ago. But the 1st Fire Merchants is BOMBASTIC.
Chester Thompson is on the drums there and his sound is incredible!
HAMSTEDAM is absolutely Awesome!
I LIKE YOUR TASTES!
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Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: August 07 2009 at 20:23
No list is complete without the first two Nucleus albums imo
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: August 07 2009 at 21:29
Zac M wrote:
No list is complete without the first two Nucleus albums imo
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the rules says one album/artiste
But you got that right. 
let's see your list 
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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: August 08 2009 at 00:03
deafmoon wrote:
Hey cstack3: Fire Merchants uh? Yes, they are in my longer list. I have a special affinity for the 2nd disc Landlords of Atlantis because Audiophile Imports sent me a John Goodsall autographed copy of it when I bought it many years ago. But the 1st Fire Merchants is BOMBASTIC.
Chester Thompson is on the drums there and his sound is incredible!
HAMSTEDAM is absolutely Awesome!
I LIKE YOUR TASTES!
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Hey thanks! This was a great thread, I enjoyed reading everyone's thoughts & opinions!
I'm lucky to live in a "jazz-rock fusion" friendly city, Chicago always has had the best acts blowing through & plenty of local talent! For sure, check out Kick the Cat, and Fareed Haque Group should be having some new material out soon!
Rock on, Deafmoon!!
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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: August 08 2009 at 01:09
Hey, check out John Goodsall's MySpace page, he has a bunch of new tunes posted!!
http://www.myspace.com/johngoodsall
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: August 23 2009 at 12:42
I have a different list now as for a while I've been deeply exploring Mwandishi related works, and various Miles Davis/ Hancock related stuff. I'd for gotten about one of my faves before, too, Donald Byrd's Electric Byrd (1970).
Alphabetically listed by surname:
Donald Byrd - Electric Byrd (this jazz great jumped on the Bitches Brew bandwagon with this in 1970; the first track is particularly remarkable, wonderful, and should greatly appeal to those into Bitches Brew).
Norman Connors - Dark of Light (great Mwandishi spin-off)
Miles Davis - Big Fun (superb album, and doesn't need much introduction)
Herbie Hancock - Crossings (a true masterpiece, and essential for any well-rounded collection)
Eddie Henderson - Realization (his first two albums are great, but I like what I know of his first six Fusion albums -- Sunburst and Heritage are both very good. The anthology edition with his first two albums is very good -- includes the, imo, essential Realization and Inside Out)
Bennie Maupin - The Jewel in the Lotus (his first two are really good, but I haven't explored further yet)
Julian Priester - Love, Love (love, love it)
Sun Ra - Languidity (not my favourite of his, I like his earlier 70s one more, but it is a fine album, and a good one for Fusion fans) Buster Williams - Pinnacle (another great Mwandishi-styled album)
Larry Young - Lawrence of Newark (terrific album)
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Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: August 23 2009 at 13:05
^ I think you've been going through my record collection, psychedelic jazz, nothing like it. You might like Terje Rypdal's Descendre, check my review.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: August 23 2009 at 13:24
My path certainly has been influenced by recommendations/reviews of yours. And thanks for the recommendation. :) The more psych jazz I can discover, the better! It's a particular favourite milieu of mine at this time, and has helped to revivify my musical interest which had started to wane.
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Posted By: mark kraken
Date Posted: November 21 2009 at 09:02
hatfield and the north- the rotters club
return to forever-were have i known you before
brand x- unorthodox behaviour
jean luc ponty-enigmatic ocean
national health-same
lockwood,topp,vander,widemann - fusion
passport-cross colateral
nova-vimana
fermata-piesen z hol
kraan-live
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Posted By: mark kraken
Date Posted: November 21 2009 at 09:09
i have heard the first pork pie album which is great, do you have a copy of the door is open. maybe mps will release this on cd?.
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