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Topic: The newer prog pop
Posted By: Dick Heath
Subject: The newer prog pop
Date Posted: February 01 2011 at 11:39
I started this thread at Prog Ears, but the way that site is structured the thread disappeared very quickly with few comments - so I'm trying here:
 
 

I see in recent Amazon.UK blurbs for a few bands's albums the term prog pop being used, e.g. for bands such as School Of Language, That Was The Week and (the recent South Banks Arts award winners) Everything Everything. Having bought these three bands’ albums, I discover that in part the term seems to indicate the use of prog instrumentation, arrangements, etc. but with a significantly reduced level of complexity whilst newer rhythms are pulled into the mix, allowing relatively short 3 to 4 minutes tunes to be made. With the exception of Everything Everything, so far I find the music a bit hit/miss in catching my attention, so I'm relatively disappointed because of some lack of development/change through whole albums. (I must admit I like the first two tunes on School of Language's album). Having not seen these bands live, I wonder if tune development is left for their gigs. Comments please. BTW One of the few respondents at PE suggested Field Music was the band which best typified this genre(?) and their album Measure was ordered today.

I have to thank Sid Smith for alerting me to Everything Everything (who I can keep going back to), via one of his excellent reviews at his Yellow Room blog. Interesting Sid  suggests The Mars Volta and even KC as influences which I've so far failed to hear, while instead I hear a 21st century pop rock, with a liberal helping of a cut down variant of  Gentle Giant ringing in my ears.

How well does these various forms of prog pop work with other folks here? Any other related bands I should sample?



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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: February 01 2011 at 11:41
Have you heard  forum_posts.asp?TID=72771&KW=reign+of+kindo&title=reign-of-kindo-jazz-fusion-jazzrock" rel="nofollow - - Reign - of - Kindo , Dick?


Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: February 01 2011 at 11:44
Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Have you heard  forum_posts.asp?TID=72771&KW=reign+of+kindo&title=reign-of-kindo-jazz-fusion-jazzrock" rel="nofollow - - Reign - of - Kindo , Dick?
 
No (and thanks for being many times faster than the correspondents at PE!!!! LOL). If they have more than one album released , which should I start with?


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Posted By: cacha71
Date Posted: February 01 2011 at 11:57
Prog pop?  New category for PA archives???  LOL

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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: February 01 2011 at 12:00
Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Have you heard  forum_posts.asp?TID=72771&KW=reign+of+kindo&title=reign-of-kindo-jazz-fusion-jazzrock" rel="nofollow - Reign of Kindo , Dick?
 
No (and thanks for being many times faster than the correspondents at PE!!!! LOL). If they have more than one album released , which should I start with?


They have a lot of live recordings in excellent quality on their YouTube channel, I suggest those. It's great to see them play. From their studio albums I only heard the latest one, which was a major disappointment; I don't recommend it.

One progressive genre that often crosses over into indie-pop is math-rock. One good example is Fang Island, who started as a math-rock band then turned to a more accessible indie-pop similar to that of Vampire Weekend, but still progressive up to a certain extent:



Foals is an indie band that often crosses into full math-rock:



Speaking of math-rock, it's nice to see that PA is finally acknowledging New Wave. We now have New Wave bands in Prog-Related, alongside their fully progressive continuations (like the Talking Heads + 80s King Crimson or Japan + David Sylvian pairs).


Posted By: Matias
Date Posted: February 01 2011 at 12:01
You sould definitely try Eatliz. I'm quite surprised they are not in this site. I love Lee Triffon's voice

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toC2NjwMVKM" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toC2NjwMVKM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6BU6kVPFkM" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6BU6kVPFkM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgWtGDd-QoQ" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgWtGDd-QoQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRVMKUMpiQY" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRVMKUMpiQY




Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: February 01 2011 at 12:03
Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Have you heard  forum_posts.asp?TID=72771&KW=reign+of+kindo&title=reign-of-kindo-jazz-fusion-jazzrock" rel="nofollow - Reign of Kindo , Dick?
 
No (and thanks for being many times faster than the correspondents at PE!!!! LOL). If they have more than one album released , which should I start with?


Wait, it seems like you replied in that thread Tongue I didn't notice Embarrassed


Posted By: Matias
Date Posted: February 01 2011 at 12:04
:( don't know hou to post videos right


Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: February 01 2011 at 12:11
^ Use this button: Insert Movie


Posted By: Proletariat
Date Posted: February 01 2011 at 15:46

along with Foals definately try out Minus the Bear and This Town Needs Guns



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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: February 01 2011 at 17:41
Originally posted by cacha71 cacha71 wrote:

Prog pop?  New category for PA archives???  LOL
well, it's called "crossover" prog in PA. Basically that "crossover" is a synonym of pop, but for some reason no one dared using the word "pop" for this subgenre. Oh wait, there is also the "related" appended to prog, which is also a synonym of pop I believe.

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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 01 2011 at 20:56
Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

Originally posted by cacha71 cacha71 wrote:

Prog pop?  New category for PA archives???  LOL
well, it's called "crossover" prog in PA. Basically that "crossover" is a synonym of pop, but for some reason no one dared using the word "pop" for this subgenre. Oh wait, there is also the "related" appended to prog, which is also a synonym of pop I believe.

Crossover isn't all that pop.  Some of the artists have most certainly achieved popular success. 


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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: February 02 2011 at 01:08
Depends on how you forum_posts.asp?TID=75555&title=define-pop" rel="nofollow - Define Pop  Tongue


Posted By: cacha71
Date Posted: February 02 2011 at 04:09
^ Pop = popular music, which covers quite a wide range but usually pop = commercial.  I guess pop prog could be crossover prog, as mentioned above, if they were rock.   Here in Greece we have a genre of music known as "entechna" which literally means "art" music.  This is a more technical arty form of pop, rock or folk music and fits the description pop prog quite well.  It typically has some progressive elements (though rarely enough to be considered 100% prog and included in the archives of this site) but not necessarily rock.  It's pop - popular - in the sense that it enjoys some commercial success but of good quality and not without artistic merit.  Here are couple of examples.  See what you think.

Orfeas Peridis - Metaphisiko



Apostolos Rizos - Enas Kyknos Klaiei (his first album, with the same title, IMHO is quite proggy - it could almost make it into crossover prog)



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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: February 02 2011 at 05:02
I like what I've heard of Everything Everything.

I could hear some Gentle Giant in there, and perhaps some Belew era King Crimson too. A very good band.

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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: February 02 2011 at 16:18
Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Depends on how you forum_posts.asp?TID=75555&title=define-pop" rel="nofollow - Define Pop  Tongue
 
Pepsi or Coke?
 
(... either one is fine with me! ... )


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