Boris
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Category: Progressive Music Lounges
Forum Name: Suggest New Bands and Artists
Forum Description: Suggest, create polls, and classify new bands you would like included on Prog Archives
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Topic: Boris
Posted By: 40footwolf
Subject: Boris
Date Posted: February 23 2011 at 01:44
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I'd like to suggest Japanese band Boris for either RIO/Avant-prog or Experimental/post-metal, or even prog related. Their albums from their early years lean extraordinarily towards the experimental side of rock-Absolutego, Amplifier Worship, Flood and Feedbacker are all composed of one massive, epic song that stays consistent in structure but shifts and piles melodies on top of each other as time goes on. They've also collaborated with noted experimental artists Keji Haino and Merzbow, and have a tendency to shift styles every other album: Smile is a relatively straightforward noise/stoner doom album, but it was followed immediately by Cloud Chamber, a collaboration with Michio Kurihara that can more aptly be described as a psychedelic rock album with classical overtones! Anyway, here are a few Boris tracks from across their strange, prolific career, just to show you the vast multitude of styles they play in and show off their avant-garde nature: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTIWQlx4cVw&feature=related" rel="nofollow - Walrus(a cover of "I Am the Walrus")[Seriously] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdGwhrz0344" rel="nofollow - Fuzzy Reactor http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeSwal4jqyk&feature=related" rel="nofollow - Farewell http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yu0HQ755dpw&feature=related" rel="nofollow - Akuma no Kuma(with Sunn O)))) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HavNkl8izMo&feature=related" rel="nofollow - Hama http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0396_bsM5eY&feature=related" rel="nofollow - 1970 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcVrr32HN3M&feature=related" rel="nofollow - Feedbacker Part II Since Boris has over 30 full length releases including live albums and collaborations(and collaborative live albums) it's tough to condense their sound, but I think I've provided a good cross section. They may not be prog in the strictest definition of the word, but they embody the progressive spirit right down to its roots, and I've seen bands added here before for just that reason! Whether you decide to include them or not, thanks a ton for considering them. ------------- Heaven's made a cesspool of us all. |
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: February 23 2011 at 02:45
| I saw them live with Red Sparrowes a while back, and I would support this. Not real likely to happen, though |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: February 23 2011 at 10:33
| They were evaluated already by the metal team, but were unanimously rejected. |
Posted By: Bonnek
Date Posted: February 23 2011 at 11:05
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Has been rejected quite some time ago already. So I can't tell you the reasoning the team followed here, but listening to the samples I hear an experimental doom/stoner/drone band, very eager to experiment, but just like Sun o))) their experimentation isn't 'musical' or 'Prog' enough to fall within the parameters of the Experimental/Post-Metal definitions. I admit this gives food for debate though, I wouldn't call Eno or Bass Communion very 'musical' or 'Prog' neither and still they are on PA. |
Posted By: 40footwolf
Date Posted: February 23 2011 at 15:05
Indeed-truthfully, the impetus for this submission was noticing that Khanate were listed on the site but not Sunn 0)) or Boris. I would consider Khanate FAR less progressive than either of those bands. ------------- Heaven's made a cesspool of us all. |
Bonnek wrote:Posted By: Bonnek
Date Posted: February 23 2011 at 16:19
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I don't know the music of any of those bands to give a serious opinion, but my first impression is that the post-metal tag is very fitting for Khanate, while it isn't for the other two because they pretty much gave up on melody, rhythm and harmony, which are still important elements in post-metal. That's what genres will do for you. Adhere to them and you can be labeled 'Prog' (post-metal), challenge the genre and you'll get another label (like 'drone') and you're out  I could go on like this for a few more hours, which is really worrying  |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: February 23 2011 at 16:21
Now that's pretty much 100% bullsh*t. Just because the melodies, rhythms and harmonies aren't something traditional that mainstream music fans can easily associate with doesn't mean they aren't there |
Posted By: Any Colour You Like
Date Posted: February 23 2011 at 16:26
| I agree with Colin here. Experimental/Post Metal does not dictate that bands need to possess rhythm, harmony or melody in any form to be included here. Even if they are supposed cornerstones of Post Metal. |
Posted By: Bonnek
Date Posted: February 23 2011 at 17:33
I said "pretty much" yes. I thought "doom/drone" is pretty much defined by the absence of said elements, while post-metal still has them. And as far as I know we don't have doom/drone bands on this site. Of course if you can think of better ways to explain why Sun O))) isn't Prog (post-metal) you're welcome. Without the bullsh*tting manners please, I'm just bouncing back some ideas here. |
Posted By: 40footwolf
Date Posted: February 23 2011 at 19:36
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Khanate is unanimously regarded as a drone doom band. The only thing that sets them apart from their peers is that their vocals are more prominent. ------------- Heaven's made a cesspool of us all. |
Posted By: DamoXt7942
Date Posted: February 24 2011 at 00:38
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I support Karl, Ben and Colin ... as a PA Collab and simultaneously a Japanese. Neither as Exp. / Post-Metal nor RIO / Avant (nor Stoner Psych), and they cannot find their place I do consider. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/damoxt7942" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: tupan
Date Posted: February 25 2011 at 07:39
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I only know one song by Boris: it's Luna, avaliable in the Metal Swim compilation. It's a free download: http://ht.cdn.turner.com/adultswim/big/metalswim/mp3s/metal_swim_mp3s.zip" rel="nofollow - http://ht.cdn.turner.com/adultswim/big/metalswim/mp3s/metal_swim_mp3s.zip This song it's prog, to me. ------------- "Prog is Not Dead and never has been." (Will Sergeant, from Echo And The Bunnymen) |
Posted By: 40footwolf
Date Posted: February 25 2011 at 17:41
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Whoa, thanks for pointing that out to me! Downloading now. ------------- Heaven's made a cesspool of us all. |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: November 03 2011 at 16:31
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Although they've been rejected, the previous times they were suggested were approached wrong, and brought the wrong music to the attention of the PMT. Hopefully this makes it more clear why they belong here. 1) Post-metal track within two (2) years of Through Silver in Blood, which is widely regarded as the first post-metal album. While one progressive (or in this case post-metal) track doesn't generally meet criteria for addition, it lays a foundation in this case because of how early it is. Listen to the whole song. 2) post-metal album two (2) years after that, with Flood. If the intro is dragging on too much for you, skip ahead to about 14:40, and then again to about 34:15 Now, having one (1) progressive album does validate an artist for inclusion, so all you have to do is listen to Flood, see (hear) that it is post-metal, and add Boris. The fact that they've released dronedoom, stoner metal, soundtrack music, electro-hard rock etc. doesn't even play into it, because of Flood. Thanks. |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: November 03 2011 at 16:36
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Now this is a reasonable suggestion. I only have Pink and Amp Worship. IMO The latter qualifies, the formed doesn't. From what I know about them in general, I'd say yes. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: November 03 2011 at 21:51
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I really love Flood. Some really nice psych/post influences with some great sludgey moments within. However, the PMT has a few rules in regards to re-evaluating bands. Here's the process: 1 - new material is the first and foremost requirement 2 - one must explain why the new material is any more progressive or progressive at all to the team 3 - at least two of the five team members must agree on re-evaluating the act. 4 - unanimity is required 5 - admin approval is required 6 - the evaluation must be done regarding the new material only, since all previous material was considered to be non-progressive, thus making the band being previously rejected. I'm not sure any of their new material since the date of rejection is progressive, but of course I know virtually nothing about the band. ------------- http://ow.ly/8ymqg" rel="nofollow">  
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Posted By: Proletariat
Date Posted: November 03 2011 at 22:55
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Huge boris fan and not opposed to seeing them here but I wouldn't really champion them, I dont think their focous is to be progressive or even post-metal ------------- who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: November 03 2011 at 23:47
The fact that they've never actually been evaluated properly should, in essence, make it not count as re-evaluating. Having somebody go "you should add boris yeah they play some drone but they are really good I think it's prog here is a video of a non-prog song" hardly counts as evaluating them. In other words: you can't say that their previous material was deemed to be unprogressive because it wasn't even listened to. |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: November 03 2011 at 23:48
This statement just shows that you entirely missed the point of this suggestion thread |
Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: November 04 2011 at 00:55
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My very first forum post here was about Boris, which TonyR so politely replied "Don't do it again". ------------- http://hanashukketsu.bandcamp.com" rel="nofollow - Hanashukketsu |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: November 04 2011 at 11:16
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Boris D: ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: Bonnek
Date Posted: November 04 2011 at 11:42
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I don't see what you mean with not being properly evaluated.
Not too many of these people hang around here anymore so you can't ask if they listened to Flood, nor if they applied the one- prog-album-is-cool-to-go rule or not. |
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: November 05 2011 at 17:36
I mean that for the prior two suggestions, with all due respect to the people that made them, one of them wasn't even anything and the other was a sampling of a wide variety of songs - which is entirely meaningless in this kind of context. |
Posted By: DamoXt7942
Date Posted: November 06 2011 at 07:56
Anyway, cannot understand why you've not posted in the previous thread. EDIT: Topics merged. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/damoxt7942" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: November 06 2011 at 10:07
Yea i was like wtf
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Posted By: Gordy
Date Posted: November 06 2011 at 19:03
| These guys definitely belong here, I think. |
Posted By: Rune2000
Date Posted: November 07 2011 at 12:03
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I've seen them live and can safely say that they are not any kind of prog metal that I enjoy.
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