What was Rush last prog album in your opinion
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Topic: What was Rush last prog album in your opinion
Posted By: desistindo
Subject: What was Rush last prog album in your opinion
Date Posted: August 04 2011 at 16:29
| Ive heard many people saying that from middle 80´s to now Rush stop to make prog albuns. Do you agree with that? For you, the music they doing now isnt prog at all?? |
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: August 04 2011 at 16:35
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When Clockwork Angels is finally released that will be the last prog album I have from Rush....until the next one is released.  -------------   
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Posted By: desistindo
Date Posted: August 04 2011 at 16:36
| So, you think all Rush´s albuns are prog?... |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: August 04 2011 at 16:38
| Snakes and Arrows was the first one in a while. |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: August 04 2011 at 16:50
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To me Heavy Prog is one of the best genre names here....where Rush are categorized in the PA. It makes to me the most sense as it describes a band that is heavy rock/metal with progressive attributes.
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Posted By: jav1919
Date Posted: August 04 2011 at 21:35
They are still prog 
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: August 04 2011 at 22:02
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Debatable to a point, but I'd say Signals was their last Prog album proper; GUP was - well I don't know what it was - and Power Windows sent them in a new, invigorated direction that was not Neoprog, Artrock, or Pop. Rush had always been an original, self-made band even when they imitated others and continue that tradition today. |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: August 04 2011 at 22:27
Who did they imitate and who do they imitate now? -------------
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Atavachron wrote:Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: August 04 2011 at 22:29
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Only album i can think of was their Zeppelin-esque debut. But even then, only Lifeson was anything close to Zeppelin. I just think it's because it's 70's hard-rock, its hard not sounding like Zeppelin.
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: August 04 2011 at 23:00
they imitate no one now-- as for who they seem to have been impacted by in the past, it's clear they took influence from Zeppelin (like many bands), the Prog movement [Yes,Camel,etc.], and later a variety of New Wave acts |
Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: August 04 2011 at 23:26
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: August 04 2011 at 23:31
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Rush for Prog Related.
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: August 04 2011 at 23:50
not practical, they were one of the most important prog bands and everything through Signals is cornerstone Heavy Prog, they practically define the subgenre .. and yes I know you were being sarcastic (or were you ??)   |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: August 05 2011 at 00:03
Agree....Glad u did not say The Beatles . I would also add The Who.....Thank you sir. -------------
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: August 05 2011 at 00:29
I'm just trying to summon micky. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: August 05 2011 at 00:30
All bands on PA for Prog Related -------------
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: August 05 2011 at 01:06
| Power WIndows was the last time I felt Rush were trying to be ''progressive''. After that they slipped into a slightly lame eighties techno style before shaking themselves out of that malaise and rediscovering their rock n roll roots. I like their 90's albums plus Vapor Trails but none of them have a great deal to do with prog rock imo. The beauty of Rush is that they have adapted when they needed to and retained enough freshness to still be interesting after a very long career. |
Posted By: king cameloyd
Date Posted: August 05 2011 at 01:11
| There's always been smooth changes in Rush albums. Old albums sound more progressive to me but I can say that all Rush albums are basically progressive. However, I have to admit that some new Rush songs are not like progressive rock |
Posted By: martinprog77
Date Posted: August 05 2011 at 02:51
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Posted By: desistindo
Date Posted: August 05 2011 at 06:26
| In reference to they recent albuns, id like to day that, even they beeing heavy, in the past they werent exactly "metal", they did things that influenced metal acts, like Iron Maiden, but never go through that particulaty are (what i apreciatte a lot), but now, after a long career following that direction to be heavy, but not metal they beggin to do metal things, as they discovered a new niche of public. What im trying to say is: Rush was more influential than influenced, but now that they discovered that many metal and prog metal bands does a sound influenced by then, they beggin to sound more heavier (vide Snake and Arrows). |
Posted By: rdtprog
Date Posted: August 05 2011 at 06:49
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Truly prog, maybe Hemispheres, after that the band decided to write more concise songs and incoporated a fusion of styles, reggae, grunge, hard rock, etc. I think we can say that they are heavy prog, and always have been.(except for the first album) |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: August 05 2011 at 08:27
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As close fan of Rush from 2112, I feel there was point in the 80's they evolved (aka progressed) , adopting/adapting some of the regatta de blanc attitudes of Police, coincidentally just after Police first folded. ------------- The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS. CLICK ON: http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php - http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php Host by PA's Dick Heath. |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: August 05 2011 at 08:31
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I have no problem in describing all of their albums as being prog. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: August 05 2011 at 08:36
Ya........and The Volta - should be moved to Jazz Rock Fussion
No-Man to experimental post metal
Miles to Crossover.
Would def. change how they sound to me.
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Posted By: tupan
Date Posted: August 05 2011 at 08:38
That's the spirit, Lazland! You, guys, know the purists: every band without keyboards is not prog... ------------- "Prog is Not Dead and never has been." (Will Sergeant, from Echo And The Bunnymen) |
Posted By: Barah86
Date Posted: August 05 2011 at 08:46
| I like to believe that there truly last prog album is Moving Pictures... |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: August 05 2011 at 09:08
Definitely - the end of "The Spirit of Radio" is probably the best example. |
Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: August 05 2011 at 12:48
| There's no reason why because an album "is not prog enough" it should be considered bad in any way. Personally the last album I would catalogue as "real prog" is Hemispheres, with the followers until Hold Your Fire undoubtedly as "prog related" or "crossover" at the very least. After that it becomes a bit more muddy but they are still for the most part good quality rock music albums. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: August 05 2011 at 15:16
tis true
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Posted By: Garden of Dreams
Date Posted: August 05 2011 at 17:24
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Rush have always been proggy (even their debut a little bit). They have also progressed in their sound over the 40+ years. Their late 80's and early 90's certainly had more of a pop influence but were still able to make their albums proggy. ------------- Just give it all an hour by the concrete lake. |
Posted By: ProcolWho?
Date Posted: August 23 2011 at 22:42
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I've never heard anything from Rush that didn't nauseate me. Please, name their best prog song, and I'll see if it passes the smell test. |
Posted By: topographicbroadways
Date Posted: August 24 2011 at 13:52
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I really don't care what genre they've been playing this decade or last. These albums are great to listen to for me, that's all that really matters
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: August 24 2011 at 14:40
something definitely smells bad here
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Posted By: Garden of Dreams
Date Posted: August 24 2011 at 16:06
La Villa Strangiato or Cyngnus X-1. But you probably won't like either song. ------------- Just give it all an hour by the concrete lake. |
Posted By: rdtprog
Date Posted: August 24 2011 at 16:36
You should try Subdivisions, perfect for someone who doesn't like Rush or doesn't know how to appreciate great music...  |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: August 24 2011 at 16:54
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Posted By: ProcolWho?
Date Posted: August 24 2011 at 21:33
| I'll check it out, but don't flatter yourself, I've been appreciating great music for quite a long time, which is why something like Rush doesn't fool me. |
Posted By: ProcolWho?
Date Posted: August 24 2011 at 21:38
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Subdivisions, have heard it before, not particularly awful but if that's their best, epic fail. La Villa Strangiato, no bargain. Sorry, but I could never understand the popularity of these guys, and Geddy Lee's singing is ridiculous. And again, I have a huge library of music of all types, and very eclectic taste. I just don't like Rush. Period. |
Posted By: wjohnd
Date Posted: August 25 2011 at 01:24
You are assuming anyone cares what you think& you don't give a strong impression of being open to suggestions.  Rush don't fit neatly fit into genre and have played in a variety of styles over the years with complex time signatures, longer suites of music, poetic/intellectual/fantasy lyrics and high quality musicianship being pretty much a consistent feature.(some might call that progress) If you've tried the albums Fly By Night, Caress of steel, 2112, Farewell to Kings, Hemispheres and Power Windows and they didn't pass muster for you then i'm guessing they are not for you.
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Posted By: yanch
Date Posted: August 25 2011 at 06:41
| I tend to agree that Hemispheres was their last "prog" album, but despite the changes and morphing of their sound in the 80's and 90's they have always had prog elements in the music. They have always done things their way and you can always identify the music, as Rush when it's played. |
Posted By: topographicbroadways
Date Posted: August 25 2011 at 06:48
I at first thought this was a little bit of trolling. Then I realised it is the completely sincere ramblings of the typical Prog Elitist. And i'm not saying that to defend Rush. Hate them or not it doesn't matter. Prog Elitists are both annoying and hilarious though. Living under the illusion that they are more open minded and musically intelligent than everybody they've ever met. lol -------------
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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: August 25 2011 at 07:14
You don't need to like Rush, and Geddy's voice certainly takes some getting used to, but you should at least recognise that they are great musicians. I love them but even if I did not, I guess I would still hold a lot of respect for them.
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Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: August 25 2011 at 12:21
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: August 25 2011 at 21:51
I have been LMFAO for the past 5 miniutes.......I cannot compose myself enough to write a reply.......but really I don't think a reply is justified, other than I wish I was intelligent enough to come up with these kinds of posts.
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Posted By: ProcolWho?
Date Posted: August 25 2011 at 21:54
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he say.... "Prog Elitists are both annoying and hilarious though." And in what category would you place yourself? A true aficionado of all things worthy, no doubt. Fact is, there is a considerable amount of noise in the world made that passes for music, enjoyed thoroughly by some sub species of listener, somewhere. I reserve my right to discriminate between that which appeals and that which offends. If that makes me an elitist, well...... |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: August 25 2011 at 22:08
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If you started hearing their stuff after about the age of 25 or so, you'll probably never be a fan as they are very much a young person's gateway drug to progrock - or even just quality rock - and hold a lot of nostalgia for a whole bunch of people. They're also an amazing trio that could play circles around 90% of bands, and truly did have some unimpeachable masterworks in Hemispheres, Permanent Waves and Moving Pictures. |
Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: August 25 2011 at 22:40
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^ and that is just a smidgeon of their legacy :-) ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: JS19
Date Posted: August 25 2011 at 23:42
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Posted By: wjohnd
Date Posted: August 26 2011 at 12:32
We all do that.. it's called personal preference. The difference is you appear to believe you are objectively right in your opinions as opposed to just enjoying/appreciating some music and not other 'noises' as you call them.
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Posted By: ProcolWho?
Date Posted: August 28 2011 at 00:02
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So then , its 'all good' hmmmm, how refreshing. guess all movies are good too. all books, good. no need for criticism, just a matter of taste it is? ok, nothing to see here, it was all a mistake. |
Posted By: ProcolWho?
Date Posted: August 28 2011 at 00:12
Just listened to the tracks from Moving Pictures on Spotify. is that's a masterwork , then Obama is the finest president the country has ever seen. I just want the helium concession when Lee performs. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: August 28 2011 at 00:20
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You must be looking for a fight, lucky for you I'm not in the mood |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: August 28 2011 at 00:25
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@ ProcolWho?...really your best bet is just to drop it, your not winning any friends here right now especially as a newbie of 4yrs? Its cool that people just visit but don't post...but when you do post it should be something reasonable.
Hate threads are not looked favorably here, but I guess you could start a "hate Rush" thread and see if others join your opinion.
Have a great evening! -------------
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Posted By: wjohnd
Date Posted: August 28 2011 at 06:20
by all means criticise.. but taste is a large part of it. I've yet to read an objective criticism of their music from you. |
Posted By: topographicbroadways
Date Posted: August 28 2011 at 06:54
I missed this. I would place myself in the category of "Music Lover" I'm done with silly juvenile "MY TASTE IS BETTER THAN YOURS" arguments. Nobodys taste is better. It's just music. Perceive it however you wish. Perhaps you should spend your time discovering more music that you love. Rather than dwelling on the music that you hate. -------------
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: August 28 2011 at 07:14
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Seriously though, Rush is the worst band ever.
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Posted By: rdtprog
Date Posted: August 28 2011 at 07:21
I don't know how much thought have been put to come up with this???  |
Posted By: wjohnd
Date Posted: August 28 2011 at 07:28
aye.... right |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: August 28 2011 at 07:36
http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=17614&genreId=41&showall=true#reviews" rel="nofollow - Not much , I can assure. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Uglylicious99
Date Posted: August 28 2011 at 08:44
| For me, their last prog album was Signals. :/ |
Posted By: ProcolWho?
Date Posted: August 28 2011 at 18:31
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I could waste time posting a reasoned critique, but I feel that anyone who perceives rush as producing unimpeachable masterworks, would fail to appreciate it. thus, and therefore, I decline. http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Geddy_Lee" rel="nofollow - http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Geddy_Lee |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: August 28 2011 at 18:43
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I don't think he likes Rush. |
Posted By: Lark the Starless
Date Posted: August 28 2011 at 19:03
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Probably Hemispheres or Permanent Waves. But those released afterwards are still great, just less proggy, IMO. Definitely going to make it a mission to obtain all their albums (I need like 10 more lol). ------------- 
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: August 28 2011 at 21:25
I could waste time posting a reasoned critique, but I feel that anyone who perceives you as producing unimpeachable posts would fail to appreciate it. Thus, I decline ("and therefore" is a redundancy, dingus). http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/You" rel="nofollow - http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/You (PS- you also f**ked up by using a comma after "masterworks"). ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: August 28 2011 at 21:36
I was going to say that... 
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: August 29 2011 at 03:08
he does like being the centre of attention though
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: August 29 2011 at 11:27
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Posted By: ProcolWho?
Date Posted: August 29 2011 at 20:58
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thus, and therefore, I decline. yes brain trusts, the redundancy was put there by design. I detect that the skulls might be a little thick and require a reenforced message. That you thought it was an accident, an oversight, a mistake, a blooper, proves my point. Don't it.  |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: August 29 2011 at 21:00
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Wow, you showed them. |
Posted By: ProcolWho?
Date Posted: August 29 2011 at 21:02
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I am curious, what other groups are beloved by Rush worshipers ? I'm wondering if there's a pattern or if it's an anomaly. |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: August 30 2011 at 01:51
| Let's keep things civil please. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: August 30 2011 at 02:47
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Posted By: frippism
Date Posted: August 30 2011 at 06:32
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I've personally never considered them prog- maybe proggy hard rock. That doesn't make them bad in any way- though I'm definitely not their biggest fan. @Procolwho?... um just chillz the f**k out.... ------------- There be dragons |
Posted By: topographicbroadways
Date Posted: August 30 2011 at 06:59
Please close. This thread stopped having relevant content 2 pages ago. And procolwho isn't going to stop posting. I doubt if he's ever gotten bored of his, ahem, intelligent observations. -------------
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Posted By: GoldenGod2112
Date Posted: August 30 2011 at 15:58
I couldn't agree more.  ------------- The future's uncertain and the end is always near. - Jim Morrison |
Posted By: wjohnd
Date Posted: August 30 2011 at 16:12
I've liked Rush since 1976 and never really thought of them as prog per se. Mostly they played rush music - and that definition changed & evolved through the 80s, 90s and to now. I've enjoyed some periods/albums more than others but they reward a little investment of time and thought. ------------- 
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Posted By: ProcolWho?
Date Posted: August 31 2011 at 23:01
That's correct. They are not prog. They are hair band rock. And if I didn't say the Emperor had no clothes, you'd have never gotten the chance to express your real feelings. You're welcome. |
Posted By: wjohnd
Date Posted: September 01 2011 at 01:25
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: September 01 2011 at 08:59
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After 2,112 albums, 2,112 tours, 2,112 weeks of being together......they are very Progressive. But in my book, I could care less about them being "labeled" progressive, proggy, prog......hogwash.
The bottom line is that the brilliance, artistry and magic that is Rush....continues. -------------
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Posted By: frippism
Date Posted: September 01 2011 at 09:11
I have been forever enlightened by your endless brilliance and my life has just been given meaning. I'm gonna go kill John Lennon now. ------------- There be dragons |
Posted By: infandous
Date Posted: September 01 2011 at 10:25
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Well, at least we know we can't have a single thread on the forums without at least one troll. The universe is in balance. As to Rush, I think they pretty much fit the dictionary definition of "progressive", whether you enjoy them or not. As to "Prog" (genre), well for me the fit it for most of their early career. Of course, I stopped listening after Presto (which seemed kind of regressive to me, a first for them at the time, though I still enjoyed most of the tracks and the subsequent tour). So I'm not sure I am qualified to speak about their albums after that. I think you'd be a fool to suggest that they are not extremely good and competent musicians and/or that they have not left their mark on the Prog genre as a whole, regardless of whether you like them or not (in other words, from an objective standpoint, as a musician, I really don't see how you could call them "bad"......from a subjective standpoint, you can call them whatever you like and it will be completely true.....for you). |
Posted By: desistindo
Date Posted: September 01 2011 at 15:05
Ok, for me doesnt matter the label too. But would you still care about Rush if they got the label of Hair Rock? [/QUOTE] Originally posted by ProcolWho? They are hair
band rock. [/QUOTE]
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Posted By: topographicbroadways
Date Posted: September 01 2011 at 15:53
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Posted By: desistindo
Date Posted: September 01 2011 at 16:02
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: September 01 2011 at 16:07
They are hair band rock. [/QUOTE]
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The problem is that I have no clue what the krapp "hair band rock" is...I mean really. Sometimes we got to laugh to not be furious...  -------------
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Posted By: desistindo
Date Posted: September 01 2011 at 16:10
apparently this is Rush in late 80´s: |
Posted By: ProcolWho?
Date Posted: September 02 2011 at 00:18
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http://hairbandrock.ning.com/profiles/blogs/dear-superstar-geddy-lee-of%20" rel="nofollow - http://hairbandrock.ning.com/profiles/blogs/dear-superstar-geddy-lee-of Here Lee himself bashes his voice in the early years. Not sure its any better now. And its on a site called hairbandrock. I'll wise you up eventually.  "Hey Daddy, did Geddy poop again?" |
Posted By: wjohnd
Date Posted: September 02 2011 at 01:24
I'd be more worried reading an interview with an artist that wasn't self critical. they've been in the business for 30+ years so it's only right and proper that they look back at their early work with a critical eye. and i don't think being mentioned on a 1980s fanzine site makes them hairbandrock any more than being on here makes them 'prog'. They are what they are. A professional, constantly changing rock band with a unique sound. A lot of prog fans like them and they appear to have inspired many modern prog musicians. You don't have to like them, but if you can't recognise their musical talent then there's no arguing with you. -------------
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Posted By: frippism
Date Posted: September 02 2011 at 01:44
They're all just so beautiful!! I love going to 80s hair metal band's profile in last.fm and just see how every band looks EXACTLY the same. It's a fun tang to do when you're bored. ------------- There be dragons |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: September 02 2011 at 02:19
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Those may be men |
Posted By: infandous
Date Posted: September 02 2011 at 09:53
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Being extremely popular at various times, though particularly in the 80's, I'm sure they appear on many sites that feature all sorts of rock bands. Like Guitar Player, Rolling Stone, Modern Drummer, Classic Rock Presents Prog......to name just a couple. They are also here, on Progarchives. Denying their talent and skill, does not negate it. As to Geddy criticizing his own singing, I agree with wjohnd. |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: September 02 2011 at 14:58
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE!!!!........O master, wise me up, I obviously need it, where would I be without you?
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Posted By: ProcolWho?
Date Posted: September 05 2011 at 21:12
| That's all ya got? Guess Geddy cleared the room with that one. |
Posted By: infandous
Date Posted: September 09 2011 at 12:41
| No, it wasn't Geddy. |
Posted By: ProcolWho?
Date Posted: September 11 2011 at 21:53
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Yeah, I think it was , just look at that picture. For sure, he cut it. They are looking at him, he's holding up 5 fingers, meaning he was keeping count. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: September 12 2011 at 19:14
| ^ and he's got his cig down by the crime scene as if that's gonna cover the stench-- plus Alex is looking right at the source and Neil's face is saying "Oy, not again." Talk about grace under pressure. |
Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: September 14 2011 at 13:31
Yuppers! The wait is painful though. ------------- 
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Posted By: infandous
Date Posted: September 14 2011 at 14:46
| Heh, heh.......and of course the baby is obviously trying to cover her nose...................... |
Posted By: GoldenGod2112
Date Posted: September 14 2011 at 14:51
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I really hope Rush releases Clockwork Angels soon.
I hear they have an epic song on it. ------------- The future's uncertain and the end is always near. - Jim Morrison |
Posted By: desistindo
Date Posted: September 14 2011 at 15:33
| Have you listen the "singles"? |