Debs and Alex got home safe (they were told to avoid Shepards Bush but I don't think anything happened there, just the police being cautious - keeping shopping centres clear of people). Just heard that my neice living in North London is safe too.

Free booze, tracksuits, Ipods, masks and other consumer goods anyone ? Well, just copy the London riots and help yourself to these freebies. The commentators will blame it on the cuts anyway and you as a thug & thief will get a Robin Hood status. 

Sickening....... But when Diana Abbot did not fall for this charade, there is hope. Thank you Diana Abbot for restoring my faith in mankind. I know for a fact who is going to pay dearly for this: Us the taxpayers in the working to middle classes. And we are paying enough now. A trip to the local ASDA, Tesco or any supermarket will confirm that. Even the budget brands has now gone up in price 2-3 times. Sliced cheese from 55 pence to 1.21 pounds over night. That hurts ! Then we have all other costs + the cost of these riots.

We will all pay dearly for this thuggery. Thugs who has committed social suicide. Both for their communities and themselves. I hate their guts and I hate them. I am also bloody angry !!!!!!

Well, these moron rioters will find it even more difficult to find jobs now because the money supposed to go to job creation in their area will now go somewhere else and the public money supposed to go to helping the looters are now going to clearing up the mess their looting created. This is suicide, no less. 

Yes, I have sympathy for them too. But communal suicides like this does not solve the problems. It just makes them far worse and it turns the allies in the working class and the lower middle class against the poor people with a justifiable grieavance. It is suicidal. Suicidal !  

And BBC has just shown looters looting an injured looter. That's on the moral level of backalley cats and there is no political justification for this. I support Diane Abbot in this. An MP who speaks sense.  

For me, this is a fight between the working class and the thugs where the criminal thugs has attacked the working class for the last three nights. This has nothing to do with politics. 

And no, I am neither a right or a left wing loony. I am political centre, but I know the difference between my possessions and your earthly possessions. I would never ever steal your earthly possessions.  

Finnforest wrote:         If you were somehow able to poll all of the lads participating in the UK riots, do you think the vast majority would identify as liberals or conservatives?  Would they favor socialism or capitalism?

Most of them would give you a stupid stare, grunt "don't know", reconfigure give your head & brain with a brick and then steal your watch, wallet and everything you have on you.

For the 667th time: This has nothing to do with politics. Just mindless thuggery.   

Padraic wrote: toroddfuglesteg wrote:   Finnforest wrote:         If you were somehow able to poll all of the lads participating in the UK riots, do you think the vast majority would identify as liberals or conservatives?  Would they favor socialism or capitalism?    Most of them would give you a stupid stare, grunt "don't know", reconfigure give your head & brain with a brick and then steal your watch, wallet and everything you have on you. For the 667th time: This has nothing to do with politics. Just mindless thuggery.    Yeah, but what's motivating it do you think?  London doesn't erupt in flames every week.

The gangs in London used the Duggan shooting and a peace march as an excuse to loot London. We have been here before..... Northern Ireland 1968, that is. But that will not happen in London. 

But when the looters believe, as they have said on TV, that shop owners in their local area are stinking rich, you have a problems with ignorance on a large scale. These shop owners were in effect a wage less than the looters gets in benefits. Now these hard working shop owners are burnt out, bankrupt and out of business. With today's benefit system,  they are therefore in for a substantial improvement of their living standard.

This is a war on the working class, waged by criminal thugs. No less and no more. 

The solution here will be political and while not going quite as far as shoot-on-sight, it will have wider implications than just rapping a few knuckles, banning the sale of hoddies and enforced curfews. The UK has been accused of being a police state and having too much surveillance as it is, and while at first sight this appears to have been ineffectual and next door to useless in this instance, much mileage will be gained by the use of CCTV, social network and phone records in bringing a few high-profile cases to justice, which will add further weight for their increased use, backed by public support, not just from the blue-rinsed middle-classes, but from the ordinary working people of Britain who have been directly affected by this.

I have been tear gassed myself and I was not in the mood to fight after that. 

......... Just in case you wonder: I was in the Norwegian Army and it was during an excersise. We were storming a coastal fort and the defenders of the fort were not that pleased. So they tear gassed us on close quarters. Our attack promptly broke down and a painful retreat followed. 

Tear gas used on thugs gets my approval. 

Blacksword wrote: aginor wrote: have the police uesed tear gass yet, or pepper spray, or whatever they use, it seems the stick with the bats, they should use tear gas, and water canons, a Not yet, although following a Cobra meeting, the use of water cannons have been authorised if neccesary. I suspect the police had been instructed to stand back and let the situation reach crisis point, before going in hard. The politicians will have wanted 'the people' to be demanding tough action, before they took it. This paves the way for justifying the probable crack downs on civil liberties, which will have been on the cards for some time anyway. Of course, there'll be one of those pointless expensive enquiries into how the emergency services coped, which will conclude 'things could have been done better, and lessons need to be learnt' Another journey into the 'bleedin' obvious' funded by the ever generous British tax payer.

Yes, this evil government will use these riots as an excuse to ban Father Christmas, full moon and football this year while promoting beach volleyball and cricket as suitable activities for the inner-city hoods gangs. 

In that case; Blacksword does not know Great Britain or for that sake; Germany.

We in Great Britain has a strong tradition for anti-authority. Unfortunate; that gave us Oliver Cromwell too. But he came, he died and we learnt the lesson. Great Britain had a nibble at both Adolf Hitler and Josef Stalin and then spat them out again. That's because we do not, by instinct, like rulers like that. It was just years later we found out what they really were like. This whole attitude is also found in all levels of our society. All the most important comedy series (Fawlty Towers, Monty Python and BlackAdder being the best examples) and entertainment series is about contempt for the dictators and the strong men who first acts as saviours and then murder millions of us. By instinct, we don't like it and Blackswords scenarios is as likely as the Pope becoming an Admin here in ProgArchives. 

Germany on the other hand was collected into one state by a ruthless dictator called Otto Bismarck. They were ruled by strong men until 1919 when anarchy and a weak unpopular administration took over until the election of Adolf Hitler. A very popular choice, btw. The hell opened it's gates in 1945. The Bundes republic was run by strong administrations from 1948 onwards and Angela Merkel is no exeption from the rule. If you take a look at the most popular German litterature, you will understand why. I am not saying there is anything wrong with Germany. But they have their style.

In simple  terms; it won't happen here.      

We have already had our right wing backlash hundreds of years ago and we have been thoroughly vaccinated against a repeat of that horrible mistake. Hence, I am glad to report that Blacksword's and Lazland's scenarios is as likely as the Pope becoming the new Admin in ProgArchives. Reasons given in my previous post.   

But we have to be vigilant and it is therefore a very good idea that both you and Lazland express those very healthy views you have expressed here.

But for the piece of mind; fire up a Fawlty Towers DVD and take a look a the political message it conveys. Also take a look at Oliver Cromwell when you are at it. Both of them should put your mind to rest. 

Slightly change of topic within the topic:

The shops in the High Streets got looted and burnt out. What happens next ? The businesses will not return to an area which is co-inhabitated with gangs and these looters. What's the alternative ? Off course; this medium. The internet. Online retailing. 

You cannot be beaten up, burnt out and looted online if you take some precautions. These precautions something your bank will help you with. The "office rental space" is off course cheaper online than in a High Street. Traumatised shop owners will think twice about returning to the High Street, but will probably not so by moving online.

The remaining shops are the small family owned shops who retails booze, food and other convenience goods + the take aways and the coffee shops. The result is derilict urban deserts which exclude more and more people from a good life. The use of towns and cities has just been eroded. The biggest town in England is now http://www.amazon.co.uk" rel="nofollow - www.amazon.co.uk

Africa to send troops, food parcels to UK as riots spread

ETHIOPIA. The African Union today adopted a unilateral resolution to deploy army troops and care packages to England as looting and violence spread from London to other major cities. Spokesperson Charity Khumalo said “We can no longer stand by while these savages tear themselves apart.”

The AU, meeting today in an emergency session to discuss the ongoing rioting in the UK, has declared that they will do “everything in their power to help bring civilisation to England”.

“It’s just so sad, you know?” said Khumalo, speaking from the organisation’s HQ in Addis Ababa. “Sitting here and watching them on TV while their society implodes. We cannot in good conscience remain idle and let it happen.”

The AU has announced a range of initiatives that Africans can get involved with to help alleviate the misery of the English.

“For instance, we have launched an ‘Adopt an English child’ programme,” Khumalo explained, showing journalists brochures featuring the faces of English kids. “If you donate a mere R50 a month, you can see to it that sweet little Johnny from Peckham receives a basic education, a pack of condoms and a pair of pimpin’ Nikes.”

Khumalo also said that the AU would be parachuting in dentists along with army troops as part of a ‘Feel better about yourselves, Brits!’ initiative.

“You can understand why they’re turning on each other,” the spokesperson told journalists. “You look in the mirror and you see teeth untouched by modern dentistry. It’s heartbreaking enough to make anyone put a brick through a Starbucks.”

The organisation also plans to air-drop care packages on major UK cities.

“Vegetables, mainly,” Khumalo confirmed. “We’re sending them vegetables and toothpaste.”

The AU’s flagship event, however, will be a star-studded rock concert to be held in Johannesburg, with all proceeds going towards the establishment of mobile libraries around the UK. Artists ranging from Mafikizolo to Steve Hofmeyr have pledged to perform at the show.

“As a humanitarian, it’s the least I can do,” Hofmeyr said yesterday. “I look at those photos of the adorable little beasts knifing each other in fights over looted X-Boxes and I want to hug them and give them a nice hot cup of Milo.”

Meanwhile, the week’s events have seen terrified South Africans in London and Manchester packing their bags for home.

“This country is going to the dogs, dude,” said Werner du Preez, a gap-year student from Johannesburg. “I’ve been offered a nice little two-bedroom place in Hillbrow where I can feel safe again.”

(reacting delirious with joy to the post and the announced help above)

(please include several thousand dingy boats too. We are about to be flooded out)

That would be historically ironic. David Cameron is from a family with a history of violent rebellion against the English rulers. David Cameron himself lead a rebellion against the Conservative party and won. Hence his premiership.

Somehow; David Cameron has been very eager to tone down his family's rebellious past. 

"We got drunk, trashed the Ritz & then went down Piccadilly to loot a few items from Fortnums"

Boris Johnson, Bullingdon Club 1986

"We smashed the place up and Boris set fire to the toilets."

David Cameron, June 1986 while a member of the Bullingdon Club.

James wrote: As well as his actions in the Bullingdon Club with Boris Johnson.  Setting fire to toilets, smoking marijuana, pulling peoples trousers down? I'm sure more went on too. To quote: "We got drunk, trashed the Ritz & then went down Piccadilly to loot a few items from Fortnums" Boris Johnson, Bullingdon Club 1986 "We smashed the place up and Boris set fire to the toilets." David Cameron, June 1986 while a member of the Bullingdon Club.

.......... or even far worse than that: Going to the Arctic Oceans and report back to the Conservatives via Youtube videos and video links that there is a global warming on and the polar bears is having a torrid time due to capitalism. That Sir, is an earthquake to 7.9 on the political earthquakes scale. And that in a party who still think global warming is a communist plot. 

A large chunk in that party feels that David Cameron is not conservative by political convictions or in any sense of the word. Many of his politics is certainly not conservative. But they put up with him because he is the most popular chap they got and the only thing between them and oblivion.   

Check the facts James. 

End of the matter.

James wrote: I do check the facts.  In fact, I don't just look at the propaganda you read. Tony Blair was not my favourite Labour PM.  He made a lot of mistakes and I completely dislike him for going into an illegal war. He was no way more right-wing than Cameron though. As for Brown, you're having a laugh there... he was nowhere near right-wing.

It is a bit difficult to debate when you don't know the meaning of the words you use. Neither do you know my sources. So everything you have written about me and my views is assumptions, prejudice and dishonest dirt cheap personal attacks. That is all you got going for you.  

Not that it would interest you, but you can get facts from neutral sources. The type of sources you can use too. It is called academia and scientific research. They are there and available to you. Get real & use them.