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Sorry, but what you are planning and suggesting is a complete waste of time.

Punks are punks. It is their nature to hate prog and anything which is above them (hence everything). If a punk starts to love prog or anything, stops swearing on everything, takes shower for a change or does anything with minimal level of decency, - he becomes immediately a "pariah" for his comrades, and basically getting extradicted from punk community. So what is so surprising in the fact that punk hates prog????

By hatemailing this asshole you only descending onto his level

Dude, people are entitled to their own opinions. Yes, I know that the article is biased and yadda yadda, but stuff like your hate mail just breeds unnecesary conflict. You aren't going to accomplish anything. Just let stuff others say roll off your back and continue enjoying the music you enjoy. I don't like stuff like that either but there will always be naysayers to things you cherish/enjoy/believe etc. etc.

Instead, how about you make an anti-punk article/website like he did for prog? That would be much more productive.

    This punk loving author has a problem . He actually likes/admires prog but can't reconcile it with himself. He is like the minister who gets up in the pulpit and preaches about morality and then is later found to have a cache of porn on his computer. Clearly the punk is not unintelligent (although his logic is woeful)

he has an image of himself about how he should be but he doesn't measure up. He thinks he should only like rebellious, unsophisticated, aggressive three chord music that rails against the system but he likes more than that.

Even some of his "heroes" have badly let him down. Alice Cooper is a republican practising Chritian and Suzi Q has also said that Catholicism is essential to her. Bowie says that admitting he was bisexual was the worst mistake he ever made , Mick Jagger loved getting his knighthood and Mclaren is just a typical businessman.

So to deal with his disappointments and insecurities he needs therapy not invective

Arsillus wrote: Instead, how about you make an anti-punk article/website like he did for prog? That would be much more productive.

not a bad idea...i could help, and like i said, i like punk....but fair is fair.

The Miracle wrote: I am planning to hatemail the a$$hole that wrote http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8285&FID=3 - this article . Here you all can leave what you want to appear in that letter. Try to make it as offensive and hateful as you can. Note: please do not write any criticism or other nonrelated stuff. Only write what you want to appear in the letter or dont write anything at all. If you want to hatemail him/her/it yourself, go ahead: mailto:[email protected] - [email protected]

 You may not agree with his opinions and they may in fact be rather biased, but seriously who cares?  You know, why don't we just email everyone on the whole internet who doesn't share the same opinion that we do?  Would it really make a difference telling this punk fan that his article sucked?  Is the article even causing harm in the first place (it wasn't promoting racism or violence)? Did the writer of this article even do anything wrong (he simply said what he thought)?  Will this hatemaill accomplish anything? 

Answer these questions and if you still want to email him/her, by all means go ahead.

The Minstrel wrote: The Miracle wrote: I am planning to hatemail the a$$hole that wrote http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8285&FID=3 - this article . Here you all can leave what you want to appear in that letter. Try to make it as offensive and hateful as you can. Note: please do not write any criticism or other nonrelated stuff. Only write what you want to appear in the letter or dont write anything at all. If you want to hatemail him/her/it yourself, go ahead: mailto:[email protected] - [email protected]    You may not agree with his opinions and they may in fact be rather biased, but seriously who cares?  You know, why don't we just email everyone on the whole internet who doesn't share the same opinion that we do?  Would it really make a difference telling this punk fan that his article sucked?  Is the article even causing harm in the first place (it wasn't promoting racism or violence)? Did the writer of this article even do anything wrong (he simply said what he thought)?  Will this hatemaill accomplish anything?  Answer these questions and if you still want to email him/her, by all means go ahead.

I just wanted to piss them off like they did to us. That article offended me more than anything else in years.

They are ignorant people who bash something they don't understand. They can easily catch the cheap emotion in four minutes of Bouleward of Broken Dreams, but they can not, or most likely don't want to get into more complex music. I don't understand some classical music, but i dont walk around saying "Beethoven is s**t". A part of punk spirit is that they think they are on top of the universe and everything that doesnt go along with their opinions doesn't have the right to exist. Does a punk with his rainbow colored spiked hair, clownlike makeup and baggy, ripped up clothes look any better than Peter Gabriel?

Whatever, i'll just leave them alone. Hopefully on day they realisehow wrong they are.

[QUOTE]Whatever, i'll just leave them alone. Hopefully on day they realise how wrong they are.[QUOTE]

The Miracle wrote: They are ignorant people who bash something they don't understand. They can easily catch the cheap emotion in four minutes of Bouleward of Broken Dreams, but they can not, or most likely don't want to get into more complex music. I don't understand some classical music, but i dont walk around saying "Beethoven is s**t". A part of punk spirit is that they think they are on top of the universe and everything that doesnt go along with their opinions doesn't have the right to exist. Does a punk with his rainbow colored spiked hair, clownlike makeup and baggy, ripped up clothes look any better than Peter Gabriel?

Well what's the difference between them not understanding prog and you not understanding punk? Just because something's simpler doesn't mean it's easier to understand... different things please different people.

Interests: prog rock, hard rock, heavy/prog/speed/power/ metal, HATE all punk, rap, and nu/rap metal.

Are you saying that you hate those musical styles no matter how well they're done? Isn't that ignorant bashing?

goose wrote: Interests: prog rock, hard rock, heavy/prog/speed/power/ metal, HATE all punk, rap, and nu/rap metal. Are you saying that you hate those musical styles no matter how well they're done? Isn't that ignorant bashing?

Not quite. One thing is when you look from above to below(from prog to punk), the other thing is when you look from below to above(from punk to prog). We can really judge complexity and quality of punk music, since we are used to more complicated, nearly classical music. They can't judje prog simply because they don't understand it. You're not trying to judje the classical music you don't understand, right?  I've heard a lot of punk and it all seems to be simple songs with some cheap emotion and rebellious lyrics. Some punk music may be nice to listen to sometimes, but it gets boring because you don't need to do much thinking there, it's all simple and easy to listen.  But what i truly cant stand is their attitude toward everything non-punk. They think they are superior and don't want to listen to anyone else.

Nu metal is a ridiculous blend of thrash, speed, punk, rap, deth vocals, and i dont know what else... it sound noisy and absolutely unlistenable(to me), however well its played.

I don't think i need to comment on rap

The Miracle wrote:  We can really judge complexity and quality of punk music, since we are used to more complicated, nearly classical music.

You can judge the complexity, certainly (although a punk group like Faraquet or The Mars Volta are in some ways more complex than a prog group like Floyd, Camel, or even Marillion). If you don't like punk simply because it's punk there's no way you can possibly judge its quality as punk. If you're looking at it in prog's terms, then sure it's going to be crap, and you won't understand its appeal. The reverse is true for those that don't understand prog's appeal from a punk (or pop, or classical) perspective

The Miracle wrote: They can't judje prog simply because they don't understand it. You're not trying to judje the classical music you don't understand, right?

If by understand you're meaning like, then no. I don't enjoy Mozart music, but he knew how to write classical music - often formulaic but with his own twists and trademarks. But equally the Sex Pistols knew how to write punk music. It's not high art, but it isn't claiming to be.

The Miracle wrote: They think they are superior and don't want to listen to anyone else.

As are some people who listen to prog, some people who listen to classical music, some people who listen to avant-garde. Probably more so.

The Miracle wrote: Nu metal is a ridiculous blend of thrash, speed, punk, rap, deth vocals, and i dont know what else... it sound noisy and absolutely unlistenable(to me), however well its played.

I've yet to hear nu metal with thrash or speed influences, or with death vocals. True enough there is plenty of generic rubbish, but groups that take a different slant (I'm not too familiar, but SOAD do some inventive stuff) can be interesting. Also if you look at groups that influenced nu metal's development, like Mr. Bungle and Faith No More, there's some crazy stuff going down there.

Please tell me, why the hell did you have to bring this old crap up? 

The Miracle wrote: I am planning to hatemail the a$$hole that wrote http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8285&FID=3 - this article . Here you all can leave what you want to appear in that letter. Try to make it as offensive and hateful as you can. Note: please do not write any criticism or other nonrelated stuff. Only write what you want to appear in the letter or dont write anything at all. If you want to hatemail him/her/it yourself, go ahead: mailto:[email protected] - [email protected]

And above all, is love ???????

alan_pfeifer wrote: Telafax, thanks a bunch for your comments on Rap music, I agree 100%.  I'd love to see someone on here try to do what a good  MC can do.

Hey it takes talent to play spoons too!

Wow, look at me, I'm a prog fan. I'm so superior to those insolent punks. I listen to complicated music automatically elevating me above anybody who doesn't share my tastes.

Now if you'll excuse me, I must end this rant. My neck hurts from my nose being so high up in the air all the time.

Chipiron wrote: The Miracle wrote: I am planning to hatemail the a$$hole that wrote http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8285&FID=3 - this article . Here you all can leave what you want to appear in that letter. Try to make it as offensive and hateful as you can. Note: please do not write any criticism or other nonrelated stuff. Only write what you want to appear in the letter or dont write anything at all. If you want to hatemail him/her/it yourself, go ahead: mailto:[email protected] - [email protected]   And above all, is love ???????

Yes

Now forget about this thread.

con safo wrote: Grow up. People have different opinions about music, live with it. I see just as much ignorance on the punk side of things as i do on the prog side. I see punks run their mouthes about prog and obviously dont know jack sh*t. I've seen prog fans run their mouthes about punk and honestly most of the time they're even worse than the punks. This is childish and it doesnt solve anything, just an endless circle jerk of ignorance. fin.

It was all about that article, that is pretty offensive. It is indeed  childish and it doesnt solve anything, so forget about it