Hello! Another Progressive Rock Fan!
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Forum Description: Introduce yourself and tell us what prog music you listen to
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Topic: Hello! Another Progressive Rock Fan!
Posted By: Mitja
Subject: Hello! Another Progressive Rock Fan!
Date Posted: November 24 2011 at 06:14
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Why Did I joined This Forum? To Meet fellow people with same ideas as me Music: Fusion Jazz,Progressive Rock,Old Rock Interests: Sports -Running,Skiing,Mountain Climbing,Gymnastics,Kayaking,Meditation Love: Meditation Hate: Fashion,big consumers,Right Wingers,Army,Police,Guns,Capitalists,... anything that is righ-wing and religion and that doesn't respect mother earth Politics:Marxists,Left-Wing,Socialist,Green Party, Anything that fights for working class,and for keeping our planet clean. Inspiration: Karl Marx made an big impact on my way on how i think And also Che Guevara deserves some credit. Buddha Age: 14 What i do in my spare time: Reading,Sports,Online Forums,Learning Linux,Meditating .... Vegetarian for 10 months why should an fat capitalist make money out of death of an animal __________________
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: November 24 2011 at 06:20
ah a leftie, you and Vomps would get along very well, me myself im Labour, Social democratic, so im left with blue neuances  also i like progrock, metal, aor, new wave and post-punk -------------  
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: November 24 2011 at 06:25
Welcome, Fellow Comrade! 
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: November 24 2011 at 06:42
I heartily encourage to engage our young righties and give them hell.  This will require you to engage people who don't have the same ideas as you. Musically, some left wing prog artists you should get to know: Skeleton Crew/Fred Frith Robert Wyatt Frank Zappa (somewhat)... ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: November 24 2011 at 06:53
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welcome to our world ------------- 
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Posted By: Mitja
Date Posted: November 24 2011 at 07:30
| i know i know frank zappa right wing. But he did make good music so i relay dont care about this. |
Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: November 24 2011 at 07:42
| I haven't heard any right-wing Zappa albums. Could you give me some examples? |
Posted By: Mitja
Date Posted: November 24 2011 at 07:52
i didn't meant albums i meant that frank zappa was an right winger he was also an sexist - no surprise there
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Vompatti wrote:Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: November 24 2011 at 08:23
If you haven't read The Real Frank Zappa Book you should, he wasn't.  ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Mitja
Date Posted: November 24 2011 at 08:32
hey thanks for the link i think that im not going to trust my teacher any more she said that he was an libertarian and an right winger im going to borrow this book in my library ------------- Without Kayaking I'm Like A Plant Without Sun Light -Mitja |
Posted By: ProgressiveAttic
Date Posted: November 24 2011 at 15:33
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Wow!!! Too much hate!(go listen some Jon Anderson/Yes music, that should calm you down and give you a lesson about love).... but you probably have a very good musical taste (you see... I disagree with your political standpoint but I don't hate you!).
Lets speak about music... any favorite groups? (a bit of advise: leave the right-left terminology, it makes no sense and the Cold War is over! Stalin and your friend Che were militarists -which is a very right wing stand- and Hitler was a socialist in many ways -at the end Nazi stands for National Socialist and it came from the German Workers' Party-.... just say you are a Socialist and hate anyone that disagrees with you, it is easier, more accurate and the correct way of saying it! And please don't say you are a Marxist until you've read The Capital in its entirety -I haven't met someone that did it and remained a Marxist afterwards... and I live in Venezuela #1 socialist country!- and can define what surplus value exactly is, something Marx forgot to do, thus making his economic theory incomplete). Politics aside: Welcome to the forum! ------------- Michael's Sonic Kaleidoscope Mondays 5:00pm EST(re-runs Thursdays 3:00pm) @ Delicious Agony Progressive Rock Radio(http://www.deliciousagony.com) 
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Posted By: Revan
Date Posted: November 24 2011 at 15:38
hahahah kudos ------------- 
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Posted By: Mitja
Date Posted: November 25 2011 at 01:03
Wrong i read marxs and Engels manifesto so i know for what i stend for and wrong again with hitler FASCISTS HATE COMMUNIST/SOCIALIST! ------------- Without Kayaking I'm Like A Plant Without Sun Light -Mitja |
Posted By: ProgressiveAttic
Date Posted: November 25 2011 at 05:56
The Communist Manifesto is a political statement (which by the way calls for violence, murder and destruction) not an ideological one, that is The Capital (which I encourage you to read!). Fascism is an Italian movement that wanted to rebuild the Roman Empire, Nazism is a different thing. The fact that they are both nationalist, militarist and had some political bonds don't make them the same thing (again, the Cold War is over and not everyone that is not a Marxist is a Fascist... That is just Communist propaganda policy -which is brilliant BTW, Munzenberg was a genious!). Nazis considered themselves nationalists AND socialists (hence their name) and they hate social-democrats and communists... At the end all totalitarian ideologies are the same: a way of channeling hatred, frustration and envy.... (I include Marxism here). BTW, you didn't answer my question: any favorite groups? ------------- Michael's Sonic Kaleidoscope Mondays 5:00pm EST(re-runs Thursdays 3:00pm) @ Delicious Agony Progressive Rock Radio(http://www.deliciousagony.com)
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Posted By: Mitja
Date Posted: November 25 2011 at 06:21
Ok first for the fav. bands: camel,david bowie,deep purple,ELP,flower kings,focus,frank zappa, genesis,jethro tull,little feat,dire straits,pink floyd,rush,supertramp,yes,... And so on.  Ok now for our theme if you didnt know Italia and German were ally's back in the day, so they had similar ideas. Now about hitler Almost all the hardline German nationalists were rabidly, frantically, hysterically, frenetically hostile to socialists, and also Hitler's greatest domestic political rivals were the socialist Social Democratic Party of Germany SPD. Fascism was developed by Mussolini as a cure to what he viewed as the economic and social disease of Commmunism, which he saw reflected to a lesser extent in all forms of left-wing ideology. The Social Democrats were simply a slow cancer. Fascism is based on the concept of class collaboration, which was thought up by Mussolini as a direct opossing view to the Communist (Marxist) idea of class struggle. Under class collaboration, all classes were to accept and uphold the maxim that " affirms the irremediable, fruitful and beneficent inequality of men." Thus, according to Fascism those in superior economic positions in society held those positions because they were superior, and those roles should be codified. Naturally, the leader is the greatest of all. The idea was that the workers could be proud to serve their higher-up social betters. Rather than damaging the economy by engaging in civil unrest and resisting pressure by the rich to work harder, they would be taught to worship hierarchy, and punished for resisting it. Unions, rabble rousers, Communists, Socialists, workers' rights advocates, even moderate liberals and conservative lassaiz faire economists who resisted the government choosing powerful businessmen to perform nearly all services for the communities at an extreme profit, for which citizens were required to pay, thus disrupting the free market, (which is in a nutshell how a fascist economy operates), were therefore dangerous dissenters who did nothing but interfered with efficient production by resisting harsher working conditions and thus, according to the Fascists, made society poorer. Problem Solved Good Night  ------------- Without Kayaking I'm Like A Plant Without Sun Light -Mitja |
Posted By: ProgressiveAttic
Date Posted: November 25 2011 at 06:58
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I knew you had a great musical taste!
Thanks for the history lesson! But you didn't prove that Nazis are Fascists... And if Nazis hated all socialists, why did they call their party National SOCIALIST? Nazis hated Marxism, which is just a branch of Socialism and they believed that there should not be social classes and in defending the workers while purging all non-aryans... My point is that the left-right terminology makes no sense since ideologies such as Nazism don't fit in any (being a workers' party and being nationalist makes them fit in both categories)... By the way, your personal views are directly influenced by Nazism, since Hitler pioneerd in environmental policy... So, what are you? left or right? Just say you are a Marxist! (but read The Capital first... Best way of leaving Marxism: actually understanding it!... After that I'll recommend reading some Hanna Arendt). Besides the politics (I do consider myself a Capitalist... Don't worry, I don't eat children) we have much in common: I also love ELP (Tarkus being my favorite album), Camel (specially The Snow Goose) and basically all of the groups you mentioned! If you want recommendations let me know! ------------- Michael's Sonic Kaleidoscope Mondays 5:00pm EST(re-runs Thursdays 3:00pm) @ Delicious Agony Progressive Rock Radio(http://www.deliciousagony.com)
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Posted By: Mitja
Date Posted: November 25 2011 at 10:26
The Name isnt important NSDAP their politics didnt have anything to do with socialism! And for the info i just asked my history teacher and my dad and my grandma-who lived in an socialistic country Yugoslavia and she said that back than she had the best years of her life. And they all said that germans hated socialism and the name didn have to do nothing with their politics ok on short: GERMANS HATED SOCIALISM end of line. and im more of an: anarcho-communist,green anarchist. But you should realy read something abour left-winger politics you dont have to be ultra left winger just try to read something about leftwing in books or the net (wikipedia,...) ------------- Without Kayaking I'm Like A Plant Without Sun Light -Mitja |
Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: November 25 2011 at 10:31
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You've got some strong stances on things for a 14 year old. I'm 18 and don't know what a Hitler is. Welcome. ------------- https://gabebuller.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - New album! http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385 |
Posted By: Luna
Date Posted: November 25 2011 at 10:37
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That's what I was thinking. http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=74525" rel="nofollow - I'm sure he'll enjoy this thread ------------- https://aprilmaymarch.bandcamp.com/track/the-badger" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Slaughternalia
Date Posted: November 25 2011 at 10:47
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edgy pompous 14 year olds. We all go through that stage ------------- I'm so mad that you enjoy a certain combination of noises that I don't |
Posted By: Luna
Date Posted: November 25 2011 at 10:50
I haven't 
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Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: November 25 2011 at 10:54
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Yeah but MLP isn't exactly a good substitute. ------------- https://gabebuller.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - New album! http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385 |
Posted By: Luna
Date Posted: November 25 2011 at 10:55
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I guess so
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Posted By: Mitja
Date Posted: November 25 2011 at 11:12
ah libertarian better than right wing, but libertarian-ism = this is what drove america to crisis back in the day (i dont know wich year was it i only remember black friday when capitalists jumped off the buildings beacuse their stocks were going down. Beacuse libertarian sayst that: you have the right to become rich no mater how this is bad beacuse everyone started to building their own factories and they coulds sell their sh*t so they got into crisis i think that there were 25% unimplemented back than. And then that president FDR -who the f**k cares about his name roosevelt i think he was started an new ideology: state intervention in the economy. Mah got tired cant type anymore maybe im going to edit this post ------------- Without Kayaking I'm Like A Plant Without Sun Light -Mitja |
Posted By: Luna
Date Posted: November 25 2011 at 11:14
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You mean the stock market crash of 1929? People didn't actually jump out of buildings, that's a misconception
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: November 25 2011 at 12:32
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I used to believe:  Nowadays, in my middle aged dotage, I tend to believe:  Welcome to the site my friend. Enjoy  ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: November 25 2011 at 12:36
This is a sad, but true, fact.  Things haven't changed a great deal. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: November 28 2011 at 21:53
I don't normally agree with you and hate your sig but you're right. Capitalists making money off dead animals, pft. I mean, if you really think that you've got a long life ahead of you. I'm only 15 and I think that. By the way, did you know it's natural for humans to eat meat? We've been doing it for centuries, I don't know why we have to think twice if a lion doesn't when they eat us. ------------- http://blindpoetrecords.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow">  
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Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: November 28 2011 at 22:25
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Vote Herman Cain! ------------- http://hanashukketsu.bandcamp.com" rel="nofollow - Hanashukketsu |
Posted By: Proggernaut
Date Posted: November 28 2011 at 22:58
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Mmmm...steak! -------------  Proggernaut (Noun) - one who is exploring the endlessly expanding universe of progressive music.
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: November 29 2011 at 05:14
| Meat is indeed very nutritious and evil capitalists make money out of fruits and vegetables also. |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: November 29 2011 at 05:29
For a 14 year old you have my unstinting support (Yeah I know that sounds patronising but it ain't meant to be) Most people I know your age are post modern careerists who consider giving a flying f*ck just sooo passée Let's slay this rawk nihilistic pig, stick a fork in their ass they're done ------------- 
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: November 29 2011 at 05:58
Why on earth did you choose to quote all these unnecessary Youtube videos to the second page? 
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: November 29 2011 at 06:16
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I was distracted by a wombat in a Santa suit
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 29 2011 at 06:29
I can see we ain't gonna get on. I like the army. We need the police. And my local butcher isn't a capitalist. Just trying to earn a living. Where you from? Actually from what you write you are the sort of person I hate. And that probably works both ways. Welcome to PA regardless.
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Posted By: ProgressiveAttic
Date Posted: November 29 2011 at 17:28
Nazism has many elemental inconsistencies and one of them is Hitler's changing of views about socialism (not Marxism... in his book- which, by the way, isn't well written and is of no literary value- Mein Kampf he praises many socialists views) + his economic views have many socialist influences (he even made a law that forced companies to name representatives of the workers to participate in the company's decision-making) and are very similar to modern social-democratic economic ideas (no to speak about the Nazi environmental policies). My point is that the left-right distinction makes no sense because each specific movement/ideology borrows elements from what is typically associated with both! By the way, I've read Hegel (the predecessor of Marx's dialectic ideas), The Communist Manifesto, The Capital, Mein Kampf (which was a complete waste of my time...), many of Che Guevara's writings, Noam Chomsky and many others (+ I live in Venezuela where not being a socialist is not well seen even among the opposition to the regime and where Fidel Castro and Che Guevara are considered heroes). I know what socialism and Marxism are all about (I even live in it!)... I live in socialist Venezuela and let me tell you something: you don't know what socialism/Marxism really is until you go to the supermarket and can't find milk or flour or oil! or you've seen this (a product of over 60 years of increasingly radical socialist governments): 
(and this is the wealthiest city in the country) That being said, I do respect anarchists more than other kinds of Marxists because it is a non-totalitarian response to Marxism and acknowledges the evil nature of government. It is great that someone your age is really into politics but you still have much to read and live. As you grow up you'll see that not everything is black or white/right or left! But keep that interest and great music taste up! Once again, welcome to the forum! ------------- Michael's Sonic Kaleidoscope Mondays 5:00pm EST(re-runs Thursdays 3:00pm) @ Delicious Agony Progressive Rock Radio(http://www.deliciousagony.com)
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Posted By: ProgressiveAttic
Date Posted: November 29 2011 at 17:31
A capitalist is someone that owns something (his capital) and since everyone here at least owns a computer and the underwear he/she wears we are all capitalists (including you, me, Mitja and your butcher)... and that doesn't make us bad (or fat) people! ------------- Michael's Sonic Kaleidoscope Mondays 5:00pm EST(re-runs Thursdays 3:00pm) @ Delicious Agony Progressive Rock Radio(http://www.deliciousagony.com)
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Posted By: Luna
Date Posted: November 29 2011 at 17:41
We're already discussing Nazis?  ------------- https://aprilmaymarch.bandcamp.com/track/the-badger" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: November 29 2011 at 18:09
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: November 30 2011 at 04:28
This is hardly the place to be discussing such topics. So don't.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 30 2011 at 04:37
To be fair the OP started with a manifesto so if we can't comment on it that simply is unfair. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 30 2011 at 04:43
I totally disagree with your interpretation of the word capitalist. You are saying that as soon as someone buys something. say a chocolate bar...they become a capitalist? Laughable. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: November 30 2011 at 04:57
It wasn't a manifesto, just a list of political ideologies the OP has an affinity for (together with a whole load of other non political personal preferences) We have political and economic threads for everyone to use so take the discussion there please. -------------
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 30 2011 at 05:01
I totally disagree with what your saying. But i will obey. EDIT Excuse me? Political ideologies? I hate he police????????
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