A massive disappointment
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Topic: A massive disappointment
Posted By: lazland
Subject: A massive disappointment
Date Posted: April 24 2012 at 14:22
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So, you have favourite bands, those who can really do no wrong. Even when they release a "sub-standard" album, you can still find merit in it, certainly enough to award a three star review on Prog Archives. However, even our favourites have the capacity to really disappoint and to make you want to weep at the sheer unfairness of releasing a new album you really looked forward to, but hated upon first listen, and this continued for listens well after that. So, lists please of bands and albums that you felt let down by, with reasons why. You are most welcome to completely trash my own personal choices: Marillion. Holidays In Eden,. Still my least favourite release by my favourite band. Following the exceptional Season's End, this incoherent mixture of commercial and prog almost made me give up. Then they released Brave.....  Rush. Snakes & Ladders. No, it's not an awful album. They are incapable of doing that, but I really don't find this album enjoyable at all. I find Lee's vocals grating for a start, and this is the only album I find this to be so. It doesn't flow well to these ears, and seems to be Rush "by numbers", and they are capable of so much better. Spock's Beard. X. Simply a very poor imitation of a classic symphonic band. If ever there was an outfit which missed their inspiration............... Supertramp. Free As A Bird. The fall of a once great songwriter and vocalist into petty and trite nonsense. Even the excellent title track cannot rescue this from oblivion. VDGG. Present. Loved some of the first disc, and though the second was an incoherent mess. The start of a fallout between me and one of my classic favourites, because the subsequent two releases have done nothing for me at all. Transatlantic. Bridge Across Forever. I loved the debut, but thought that the second tried to do the over the top epic a bit to much for enjoyment. Redeemed themselves with the last one, though. Richard Wright. Broken China. I always found Waters at his darkest to be inspirational and spoke to me at a very conscious level. This just depressed me unutterably. Rainbow. Difficult To Cure. I loved Down To Earth, and didn't mind the more commercial direction at all. This, however, marked the descent into stadium rock blandness, the excellent instrumentals aside. Pink Floyd. The Division Bell. Simply shocking. Simply not Floyd. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 24 2012 at 14:24
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Almost totally disagree with your choices.
X for example is the best Beard album for many years...including Meal Morse beard. Bridge acroos forever also better than debut, Holidays in Eden preferable to the dreary Seasons end.
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: April 24 2012 at 14:25
Fine - reasons, and what are yours? ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Snow Dog wrote:Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 24 2012 at 14:28
Read my edit. I don't have any I can think of. I suppose Love Beach at the time but since I have grown to like it, it doesn't count. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: April 24 2012 at 14:30
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Spock's Beard - Snow The Mars Volta - Octahedron Dream Theater - Systematic Chaos (I actually liked this one when it first came out, then quickly loathed it; years later, I now I enjoy it for what it is) There's more, but I can't think of what they are right now. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm 
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 24 2012 at 14:31
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Dream Theater..the new one..what's it called?There I thought of one. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: April 24 2012 at 14:31
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^^ I never liked Love Beach, but, then again, I was never a big ELP fan, so it was not a disappointment as such. Season's End dreary??  ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 24 2012 at 14:33
Very. Sorry mate. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: April 24 2012 at 14:44
I think he meant "dairy"!  ------------- I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth. |
Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: April 24 2012 at 14:46
Dont think i made it all the way trough, more then the first time. ------------- Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours |
Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: April 24 2012 at 14:54
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David Bowie - Tonight
Lets dance was overly commercial, but at the same time very well done, within its own right.
Tonight was horrible
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: April 24 2012 at 15:01
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^ Does seem to be sluggish. Took me 5 minutes to access the forum page. Snakes and Arrows, in my opinion, was a great album. I loved the acoustic guitar focus and i found Geddy's vocals great. The two instrumentals are a real return to form. Pearl Jam's Riot Act - After a flawless string of 6 albums, this was the first that i truly disliked. The political touches are kind of annoying too. Porcupine Tree's The Incident - Boring, weak, predictable, etc. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: April 24 2012 at 15:04
Wow really? division bell? I prefer this one over a lot of Floyd's albums, some great songwriting there. Sometimes it's amazing how opinions can defer. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: April 24 2012 at 15:25
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Sorry going off on a tangent: I can't remember a notable disappointment with an album by a band I was already really into. Instead I've been very pleasantly surprised by albums that don't have a high reputation by bands I love. Magma's Merci I did Sl*g very early on when I hadn't listened to it at all properly, but when I did return to it and actually listened, I loved it. Much the same happened to me with the Magma offshoot Offering, not that I was yet a fan of Offering, but I love the Offering albums (more than Merci actually). There are cases where I heard an album I never grew to love by a band/ artist first, but became a fan afterwards for other albums, but that's different. ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 24 2012 at 15:32
Seasons End is brilliant , one of the best neo prog albums. However I quite like Holidays In Eden as well . Where I lost it with Marillion was The Strange Engine. Sorry not for me.
Abacab (too obvious)
In The Hot Seat. What a stinker to bow out on. Love Beach was at least recognisable as ELP to my ears
90125 - Don't like the cleaness of it. Totally anti-septic and over produced (but I do like some later Yes albums especially Talk and the recent one)
Tangerine Dream - Melrose. TD going through the motions. It did get better eventually though.
IQ - Nomzamo . Massive disappointment after what had gone before.IQ trying to be Dire Straits but achieving the first bit only.
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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: April 24 2012 at 15:47
Totally agree here. I was a big fan and was excited when this came out, but it was barely recognizable as Supertramp, even as the "new" post-Hodgson Supertramp - the songs were just not there. I've even been hesitant to buy their subsequent album(s) because of this. Need I worry? Others for me: Genesis - Calling all Stations -- I've always had a soft spot for latter-era Genesis. Abacab was the album that got me into them as a teenager, and I think time and critical opinion have unfairly recast this period of the band as the crappy sell-out period, when in fact they were making some of the best intelligent pop music around. This album, however, was uncalled for. Having lived under a rock for most of the 90s (my "lost weekend"), I was unaware that Phil Collins was no longer in the band. So that was shock right there. And then the songs... oh god were they miserable... The Clash - Cut the Crap --- I'm not as big on the Clash anymore, but at the time, I thought Combat Rock was the bee's knees (it's still my favorite). Very creative and just had a sound all its own. So I had every reason to expect this follow-up to be good. Even the loss of Mick Jones shouldn't have hurt the band this bad. Joe Strummer was strong enough to man the ship himself. But something went terribly wrong. Mostly chalked up to cluttery production and an ill-advised dumbing down of the songwriting (to reconnect with their punk roots, dontcha know). And I really only remember liking one song (not the single, either). Jethro Tull - Rock Island -- I guess this is the point at which I got off the Tull Train. Not openly horrible, but just so dang ordinary. Despite good reviews of later stuff, I haven't even taken much time to give them a fighting chance, just because I've convinced myself that at this point, Ian was out of interesting ideas. The Kinks - Think Visual -- Kind of the same deal as Tull, except even their fans think the albums from here on out are pretty bad. ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: April 24 2012 at 16:01
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: April 24 2012 at 16:08
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David Bowie - Young Americans. This one truly boggles the mind, mostly because it is surrounded by brilliant and imaginative releases. Diamond Dogs on one side and Station to Station on the other. WTF happened there?  I am guessing that he watched a fair deal of American soap operas at the time and then recorded this shijt whilst sleepwalking at night. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: April 24 2012 at 16:13
No. Sadly, they are all very ordinary, and I say this as a huge fan of Davies when he collaborated with Hodgson. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: wilmon91
Date Posted: April 24 2012 at 16:49
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I've been "subscribing" to very few artists, I'm not the "collector" sort of fan. There are even 2-3 somewhat disappointing Saga-albums released in the 2000's that I don't own (I'm a bit ashamed of that though). I listened to my brother's copies.
Steve Hackett is the only one I've been subscribing to since the end of the 90's. And though I felt that "To Watch the Storms" was a mixed bag , it didn't feel like a letdown. I had problems with the "dedicational" style of some of the songs. Through the years it has weakened...but it is still entertaining.
Saga's "Steel Umbrellas" (1996 ?) was a big disappointment. But it's a band whose sound can change a lot between albums. They had released the ambitious concept album Generation 13 in -95. The next relöease was Steel Umbrellas which had an almost opposite approach. Very straightforward , didn't seem like an honest effort. In later years I've discovered that it isn't all that bad, if you just ignore the weak tracks. And every song has a great guitar solo. But at the time it felt almost like a joke. ------------- http://www.lastfm.se/user/wilmon91" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: KingCrInuYasha
Date Posted: April 24 2012 at 17:10
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90125 - Yes Sounded too much like Starship for my tastes, though to be fair, I liked "Owner Of A Lonely Heart", "It Can Happen" and "Hearts", so it wasn't a total bust. ------------- He looks at this world and wants it all... so he strikes, like Thunderball! |
Posted By: dtguitarfan
Date Posted: April 24 2012 at 17:10
Totally disagree with you on this one. A Dramatic Turn Of Events is the first album in YEARS that Dream Theater has sounded like Dream Theater. For years they've been experimenting, and while that has resulted in some great stuff here and there, they haven't had an album that was strong all the way through in years. Now they've finally gone back to their roots and made an album that is in the same leagues as Images and Words. ------------- http://tinyurl.com/cy43zzh" rel="nofollow - My 2012 List 
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 24 2012 at 17:15
Bullsh*t. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 24 2012 at 17:16
Sounds nothing like Starship to me. Starship suck. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: dtguitarfan
Date Posted: April 24 2012 at 17:36
Yeah? Well, what's your favorite band? 'Cuz their albums SUCK... ------------- http://tinyurl.com/cy43zzh" rel="nofollow - My 2012 List
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: April 24 2012 at 19:03
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Finnegans Wake - The Bird and The Sky Above I'm a huge fan of their chamber rock albums Pictures, 4th and Blue. I'd been warned that the new one was 'free jazz'. I thought what the hell I'll give it a go, how bad could it be it? Its still Finnegans Wake. Boy was I mistaken. Almost unlistenable. Shub Niggurath - C'etaient De Tres Grands Vents Loved Loved Les Morts Von Vite and Introduction so auto-bought C'etaient De Tres Grands Vents, just doesn't have the same vibe at all. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: April 24 2012 at 19:42
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afore I start - nothing wrong with Seasons End or Holidays in Eden - Strange Engine - yeah that one was a miss for me that took me until Anoraknophobia to pick them up again - then any band that can record albums like Brave and Marbles can be forgiven. The 2nd disc of Present is kinda meant to be a sprawling mess as it was wholly improvised and that's a good thing in my book - I think the later two albums disappoint me because without Jackson's sax it just isn't the same VdGG that I grew up with. The Division Bell is a good post-80s Prog album, even a poor Floyd album was streets ahead of most albums of that time and Broken China is dark and depressing and totally enthralling.
Anyway...
...it kind of depends on what you call a disappointment and how much you built up your own expectations before you actually heard it. In the old days I would be reticent of playing some new albums in case they did disappoint me - I can remember looking at the sleeve for The Final Cut for sometime not wanting to play it because from the cover and track listing I knew what the story-line was going to be and really didn't want to listen to Waters moaning about the loss of his father again (yeah, how callous of me) - going from the elation of there actually being a new Floyd album to listen to, to the despair of what it actually might sound like was probably what caused me to play it once and then forget about if for over a year... I recall I played Joan Armatrading's The Key more in '83 (and that's not a great Armaplating album by any means)... but once I'd overcome that initial disappointment and actually sat down to listen to it I found it not so disappointing after all.
Now I try to avoid buiding up any expectations before I listen to an album for the first time, I tend not to read reviews or pre-release clips before I buy from those artists that I'll buy their latest release regardless. Unfortunately some artists have fallen off that list of late - Dream Theater certainly, Mars Volta had for a while, though Noctournequet was an impulse buy that turned out to be a pleasant surprise.
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: April 24 2012 at 19:54
You must be listening to a different album than some of us....did you get a special release? -------------   
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Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: April 24 2012 at 19:58
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Bands i lost interest with are: Rush after Signals, certainly not bad but certainly does not hold my interest as they used to, and i don't care what everybody think! Black Sabbath after Born Again - Crap!Dream Theater after Scenes... BAHHHHH..except for Six Degrees..which is nice but i can't make it through the whole thing at once.
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: April 24 2012 at 20:04
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I have some recent ones.....
Steve Hackett - the new one.....the title escapes me, Horizons?
Flying Colors - really bad for me, listened 2x and that has been it so far.
OSI - Fire Make Thunder.....Blood is sooooo much better
Agents of Mercy - Dramaramammama.....uhhhh
And as far as Rush goes.....would have to be Roll the Bones, for some reason that is such a tough listen for me, Dreamline being the exception. -------------
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Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: April 24 2012 at 20:10
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I immensely dislike Dream Theater's newest, a Dramatic Turn of Events. -------------   
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: April 24 2012 at 20:12
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^ sure, but was it a massive disappointment? ------------- What? |
Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: April 24 2012 at 20:21
| Having only listened to the new Mars Volta twice (not with my full attention) I'm afraid it's going to be a disappointment, where are the guitars? Actually Octahedron wasn't what I expected too. |
Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: April 24 2012 at 20:21
Oh, definitely! When Portnoy left I was expecting them to move to new and bold directions (even though I basically love almost every album they have released so far), when, actually, they moved backwards and mysteriously decided that all of the sudden LaBrie was a good enough composer to contribute with the band when all of his solo albums are as good as being kicked in the balls repeatedly by someone using boots made of iron. -------------
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Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: April 24 2012 at 20:24
You need to listen to that again, bro. Every song of every album is composed by the guitarist and he plays in EVERY song. -------------
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Posted By: Ambient Hurricanes
Date Posted: April 24 2012 at 20:28
After a little bit of skepticism during the first few listens, ADToE became one of my favorite albums. It stands out to me because I think it's better composed than their others; DT has a tendency to get all heavy-riff-happy on the parts with vocals and solo-happy during the instrumental parts, and I felt that this album had more interesting parts underneath the vocals and that the instrumental sections had more of a compositional, structured feel instead of just functioning as cadenza sections. ------------- I love dogs, I've always loved dogs |
Posted By: iluvmarillion
Date Posted: April 24 2012 at 20:29
This Strange Engine is one of my desert island discs which I love from start to finish and I've never been able to understand the negative response to this album by a lot of people. Radation on the other hand contains about 15 minutes of worthwhile music and the remainder is just filler. Massive disappointments for me are: Camera Camera (Renaissance) - Never quite got into Azure D'or but nothing prepared me for Renaissance's attempt at going pop. Animals - Loved Water's lyrics in DSOTM and WYWH but from Animals onwards he gets more and more negative and cynical about the music industry and politicians. However loved the song Dogs which is one of Floyd's best numbers. Relayer - Coming on the heels of TOTO which is my favourite all time progressive rock album, the first section of Gates Of Delirium I found to be a rambling mess. It gets a lot better towards the end of the first side (the Soon section) and side 2 contains two great songs in Sound Chaser and To Be Over. The Sum Of No Evil (Flower Kings) - Just never been able to get into this album |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: April 24 2012 at 20:30
That's a pretty good response.......I would also add it was rushed and it shows, maybe Mike Portnoy was right.......They should have taken some time off.
I only like a couple songs on the new album......I skip a lot of them. -------------
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: April 24 2012 at 20:33
Noctourniquet is brilliant. Though i do miss Omar's masterful guitar playing, but it's fine. The compositions, thought not entirely made by him, are still great. Plus the focus on in-the-pocket drums and keys are a major success. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: April 24 2012 at 20:35
Quite true, it sounds like it was somewhat rushed and I also only like one, maybe two song off of it. -------------
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: April 24 2012 at 20:50
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Well since I saw them on the tour in Sept, I appreciate Bridges/Sky a lot more now, I did not get Breaking All Illusions.....and I did not like Outcry live, its a boring song......It just drones on and on. -------------
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: April 24 2012 at 21:08
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Posted By: robinator7991
Date Posted: April 25 2012 at 00:45
| I actually really like going for the one, but tormato is a disappointment. And then there were three was in my opinion genesis's last good album. Every genesis album after attwt is an utter disappointment. even duke |
Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: April 25 2012 at 00:47
I really want to like this since i'm gonna see them live in a month!!  |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 25 2012 at 01:38
Must be about 10 years since I listened to The Strange Engine put perhaps I will dig it and give it another go.
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: April 25 2012 at 01:42
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Talking of bands I really love (which to me means my top 5 or so bands), and there are few albums. VDGG - A Grounding In Numbers Soft Machine - Land Of Cockayne Magma - Merci And even of those...Merci has some good moments. Also, I didn't expect Merci or LOC to be good but with AGIN I did with all the positive reviews. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: King Manuel
Date Posted: April 25 2012 at 01:45
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Spock's Beard – Snow Jethro Tull - Catfish Rising Genesis (1970-1976) - The Lamb lies down on broadway Camel – Harbour of Tears & Stationary Traveller Van der Graaf Generator – Present ------------- Don't Bore Us, Get To The Chorus |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: April 25 2012 at 04:46
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Clutching at Straws - Marillion. Not terrible by any stretch, but leagues below all the albums that preceded it, imo.
Big Generator - Yes. Same as above. I generally don't have a problem with Rabin era Yes, but BG is not a patch on 90125. Born Again - Black Sabbath. After the glorious two albums which Dio fronted, BA sounds slapdash and comical in comparison. Anything by Rush, post Counterparts - Geddys voice got progressively better over the years, but I think their songwriting has been uninspired. A few little gems in there, but I've not heard anything since 1993 that confirms for me why this band is one of my favourites. Zones - Hawkwind. Purchased at a time when I thought the Hawks could do no wrong. I had only heard their 'consistent' albums. I was very disappointed by the ad hoc, mish mash of badly performed, badly produced half baked ideas, that was Zones. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 25 2012 at 04:58
Well Dream Theater is one of them which is why I was massively disappointed.  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 25 2012 at 04:59
The best of the Fish era albums. Seriously. The album that made me think, hey...maybe Marilllion are not so bad. Then came Season's End. You know how I feel about thjat. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: April 25 2012 at 05:14
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Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: April 25 2012 at 05:17
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OP: The Division Bell is among Floyd's best albums. A great final statement from the band. Dodgiest PF album? That would be Momentary Lapse Of Reason, case closed.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 25 2012 at 05:32
If really pushed I would claim my favourite band to be ELP. However I have many other favourites. So my favourite band is..YesGenesisELPRushDReamTheater. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: wilmon91
Date Posted: April 25 2012 at 07:02
Just curious, what expectations did you have? Was it a massive dissapointment compared to his previous one (Tunnel's Mouth) ??
There was no change in direction from his previous one . But it was better in every way, better sound, better songs and the album was longer (the previous was far too short).
I agree about Harbour of Tears. Bad album, by far their weakest. "Under the Moon" is very good though.
But I like Stationary Traveller.
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Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: April 25 2012 at 07:21
| ^ I like Harbour of Tears, some great playing there, but never heard Stationary Traveler yet, and i'm not sure i will ever hear. |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: April 25 2012 at 09:23
The buildup to the album was too excessive, it was a big let down for me........Soooo, you should also understand that I felt the same about Tunnel. I wanted that Steve Hackett magic back but it failed for me.
And also I give no brownie points for long albums.......It just means it drags on that much longer.
It has a few moments, but for me I find myself not paying attention after awhile. -------------
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: April 25 2012 at 10:17
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Radiohead - King of Limbs. Not a bad album at all, but I guess the band are on an entirely different trip from what they probably were when I got into them. It might take me a while to relate to their new wavelength but all the creepiness of an Everything in its right place seems to have vanished without a trace. There are just lovely textures now, the music doesn't have that hypnotic, haunting quality, not to me. Pain of Salvation - Road Salt One. I thought Scarsick was a mis-step. RSO made me wonder if I had got that wrong. Also, Black Clouds and Silver Linings, but I didn't really care much for a new DT album anyway by then. On a 'prog-related' note, I had zero expectations from Death Magnetic and Final Frontier but in any case, they were exceedingly dull affairs. |
Posted By: Zombywoof
Date Posted: April 25 2012 at 10:56
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Rush: "Hold your Fire" ... how could the world's greatest power trio release such a poppy record? I still cringe whenever anyone uses the synth choir sound. Oh well, at least the lyrics were good! ------------- Continue the prog discussion here: http://zombyprog.proboards.com/index.cgi ... |
Posted By: Kilgannon
Date Posted: April 25 2012 at 10:58
Nom nom nom Meal Morse ------------- 
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 25 2012 at 11:09
I actually rate Hold Your Fire rather highly. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Zombywoof
Date Posted: April 25 2012 at 11:14
I'm glad you do. Just not one of my favorites at all. ------------- Continue the prog discussion here: http://zombyprog.proboards.com/index.cgi ... |
Posted By: wilmon91
Date Posted: April 25 2012 at 11:48
I see.. Well, for me Tunnel's Mouth was disappointing, so my expectations were mixed feelings...I didnt have any expectations. I gave Tunnel's Mouth 2/5 and Shrouded Horizon 3/5.
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: April 25 2012 at 12:09
It never ceases to amaze me how different people hear and feel about different works. I suppose that is what makes us such an interesting bunch. Anyhow, I love This Strange Engine, and it is one of the most highly regarded albums amongst Marillion fans. The excitement of Man Of A Thousand Faces, and the breathtaking ambition and beauty of the title track make this amongst the band's best works. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 25 2012 at 12:15
^One man's (or woman's) meat is another man's (or woman's...shut it, Reg) murder. Hang on..that went wrong somewhere. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: April 25 2012 at 12:26
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Posted By: snowsnow
Date Posted: April 25 2012 at 12:27
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A little surprised that the following have been chosen:
This strange engine (almost has the best opening and closing track of all the Marillion albums)
Transatlantic's Bridge across forever - love it.
but most of all:
Going for the one - simply a classic to my old ears - the last great Yes album
In terms of huge disappointment Tormato will always be my first nomination until my dying breath. Still not quite recovered from the shock of what came out of my speakers back in 1978. It certainly didn't match Awaken!
My offenders, in terms of expectations not met:
BJH - Time honoured ghosts (not a single great BJH song on it compared to previous efforts)
Supertramp - Crisis? What crisis - again following the "Crime" album - big let down
PT - The incident
JT - Too old to rock and roll
Led Zep - In through the out door (despite the excellent opener In the evening)
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: April 25 2012 at 12:33
You're right, and this includes the Marillion nuts themselves. Recent posts on the fans forum have included a pretty interesting row about the Haogarth & Barbieri collaboration, split between those, like me, who think it's great, and those who don't. The latter have been refreshingly open in their criticism. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: April 25 2012 at 12:41
I really like Crisis? What Crisis. It includes some of their best work. It suffered from not being Crime. PT, The Incident. As my review made clear, a huge disappointment. I still find it horribly dull. JT. Too Old... good Tull album, but nothing more. Led Zep. ITTOD. The sound of a band who needed a good rest (and that is not meant as a poor taste joke re Bonham, either). ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 25 2012 at 12:43
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^Totally disagree about Zep. Sounds like a band in a new creative direction. Superb album. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 25 2012 at 12:44
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..then again I like The Incident too and I'm not even a huge PT fan. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: April 25 2012 at 12:45
I regarded Plant's debut as a fine album, and one I really wished had been a Zep album. So, I can see where you are coming from. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: April 25 2012 at 12:46
 I was a Hogarth fan before he joined Marillion and a Barbieri fan before he joined Porcupine Tree buying this should have been a reflex action (though I'd quite like Barbieri to do antoher album with his wife, or for her to release a solo album).
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: April 25 2012 at 13:50
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Pink Floyd - The Final Cut. Yes I know, rather unimaginative of me, but the OP asked for one of our absolute favourite bands' mishaps, and Punk Flute obviously fit the bill for me. AND I absolutely abhor The Final Cut. I'd rather listen to Metal Machine Music by Lou Reed whilst eating bananas. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: April 25 2012 at 13:54
Ahhh yes, Robert Plant's debut is pretty nice. I bought it when it came out, matter of fact I spun that vinyl last weekend.......need to spin it again.
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: April 25 2012 at 14:49
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Opeth and SWilson albums from 2011. We could do another thread where we list positive surprises from bands we didn't have much expectations from. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 25 2012 at 14:54
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: April 25 2012 at 15:06
I think it's probably the synths that put some people off. I think it's a great album -- I love Carouselembra in particular. I've seen and known quite a few people who dismiss that album. I prefer it to Presence. ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me. |
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Date Posted: April 25 2012 at 15:18
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: April 25 2012 at 16:04
Now I'm worried, but at least you've heard tracks off it already. Lots of variety on the album. Carouselambra, In the Evening, All of My Love, and Fool in the Rain have been standouts for me. I can understand, aside from the synths which are more in All of My Love and Carouselambra, though, why so many wouldn't like it as much as earlier material. I wouldn't put it over Led Zep first six, but if one is a Zep fan then every studio album is essential. ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me. |
Posted By: DreamInSong
Date Posted: April 25 2012 at 19:26
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Porcupine Tree - The Incident As far as I've heard (and I've heard most), this is Steven Wilson's only bad album... though I can't say I'm into I.E.M... yet... ------------- 
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Posted By: TheLionOfPrague
Date Posted: April 25 2012 at 19:36
100% agree. Much better than AMLOR. ------------- I shook my head and smiled a whisper knowing all about the place |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 26 2012 at 01:33
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Posted By: snowsnow
Date Posted: April 26 2012 at 03:10
For me, In through the out door had too many weak tracks (for a Zep album) most notably the awful (ahhaahh Hot dog!) Just the song's introduction with Plant's intro - you know immediately it is going to be a turd - and the band easily achieve this goal.
South Bound Saurez is well below par Zep.
All of my love - I know it is about an emotional subject - but I find it a dirge but slightly better than the embarrassing I'm gonna crawl. Still it does have the excellent In the evening and enjoyable Fool in the rain.
Whereas, to my ears of course, Presence has a couple of absolute classics - Achillies Last Stand and Nobody'sFault but mine (with a great harmonica break.) A couple of decent rockers (though hardly classics) Royal Orleans and Hots on for nowhere. It ends with the slow building Tea for no one - a very underrated Zep album IMHO.
Amazon reviews are no guarantee of correct opinion, but it is interesting that the Zep fans who have reviewed the bands studio albums have awarded In through the outdoor with the lowest ranking (from a quick glance)
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: April 26 2012 at 04:46
I does have its weaknesses, certainly. I must admit that I hadn't listened to it in full for a long time (erm, about two decades), then dug out my cassette tape (also have the LP given to me by someone who thought it crud many years ago), and, well, not as good as I remembered. I loved it when I was in my teens, but well tastes do change. Still love Carouselmbra though, others I and you mentioned I still like very much, and significant parts of All of My Love. Presence has some great ones Nobody's Fault But Mine and Tea for One in particular for me, but Achilles Last Stand never really did it for me -- I found it a bit too overwrought. My friends and I in high school were all into Zep, and none of them liked In Through the Out Door as much as me. The same could have been said for my love of Pink Floyd's Animals back then with my homies though too, and that's pretty popular here.. ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me. |
Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: April 26 2012 at 06:16
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The only Led Zeppelin albums I like are I and IV...everything else is a Massive Disappointment and I've heard 'em all. I hate the Crunge. Physical Graffiti takes forever. Kashmir is about fifty-three minutes too long. Moby Dick can go to hell. I hate long drum solos. The band's heartless arrogance sickens me. I was expecting a row of pure masterpieces, but get half an album of obnoxious folk-light and a half album of BABY BABY BABY OOOOOOOHHH. Those two albums, though, are pretty damn good. I'll tell you what the most underrated album in all history is...The Final Cut, man. Some of the most brutally sincere, viciously hateful rock poetry to ever exist. It isn't my favorite Pink Floyd album, but I like it more than Animals (by a little bit at least). And yeah, Momentary Lapse was a ...M-M-M-Massive Disappointment. Not Division Bell. After Lapse, the Division Bell was great, but only in that context. In any other context I never listen to anything but Keep Talking and High Hopes.
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Posted By: snowsnow
Date Posted: April 26 2012 at 06:47
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Logan - for me even a disappointing Zep album has its treasures. I think their whole back catalogue (studio albums) is worthy.
Animals? - Classic! I was at school when this came out and even some of the punks liked it!
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Posted By: prog4evr
Date Posted: April 29 2012 at 22:06
Agreed...just couldn't get into this album at all...
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: April 29 2012 at 22:10
What even crazier is that I got all the Neal Morse prog solo albums AND Spock's Beard's The Light, TKOS, and V before getting Snow, so either everything is better than Snow, or I had Neal Morse overload syndrome by the time I got around to Snow. But then I went back to it later on, and it still did nothing for me. *shrug* ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: silverpot
Date Posted: April 30 2012 at 13:28
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The Final Cut. I was close to tears from disappointment. All the elements from The Wall that I didn't like was there in abundance. Thank god for AMLOR and TDB. |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: April 30 2012 at 13:29
As a matter of interest, what were those elements? ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: April 30 2012 at 18:35
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Rush - Snakes and Arrows was very disappointing but then again so was Presto which was worse! VDGG - I was very disappointed with Present and rarely play it esp the terrible second Cd which is just a bunch of outtakes and no singing - Blech! Yes - Disappointed with Union actually infuriated is the better choice of word. Mars Volta - they blew it with Octahedron - it is a mess. However the new album Noctourniquet is a pleasant surprise as I was expecting more of the same dross and it turned out to be a great album albeit a new direction for the band. King Crimson - Starless and Bible Black - I dunno, but for me after all the hype I expected something special and it is very mediocre and inconsistent. Also the DVD King Crimson Deja VROOOM is very dark and has boring songs and poor quality lighting and camera work. It is amateurish and needs beefing up a lot! Yes - acoustic DVD - OK it cost $5 and that's a relief as this is so dull. Really only for collectors and for the sp featuresas the concert will put me to sleep. Hawkwind - Man, those albums in the period 79 - 95 are terrible, esp Alien BORE, The Church of HawkBORE, PXR5ZZZZZ, it is the Business of the future to be BORING, Space BOREDOM and HawkBORES 25 years on ------------- 
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