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Topic: Inner Mounting Flame ?
Posted By: geneyesontle
Subject: Inner Mounting Flame ?
Date Posted: November 24 2012 at 17:40
A classic by these jazz fusion pionniers where there is no filler track and plenty of jamming sessions.
Meeting of The Spirits is magnificent. It is the best track of the album in my opinion.


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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: November 24 2012 at 18:15
A fantastic album, which only wavers around A Lotus On Irish Streams.
 
You Know, You Know.


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Posted By: akaBona
Date Posted: November 24 2012 at 18:21
The Dance Of Maya. I may choose different when thinking of a single track, but every time I listen to this album, my climax comes when The Dance Of Maya begins :D


Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: November 24 2012 at 20:18
Since our friend above apparently forgot to vote for it, I will agree with him and give the first to Dance of Maya.  Wink

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Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: November 26 2012 at 02:35
The grand opener.

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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: November 26 2012 at 03:23

Kill me, kill me now. Half of the album are tracks that are equally mind-blowing
Originally posted by geneyesontle geneyesontle wrote:

A classic by these jazz fusion [pioneers] where there is no filler track and plenty of jamming sessions.
Meeting of The Spirits is magnificent. It is the best track of the album in my opinion.
Hell, yes. Big smile

Screw it. My vote goes to the mighty opener. Dark, powerful, concise, and in a very logical form.


Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: November 26 2012 at 04:13
I have never understood the praise for this band. Never. To these ears it feels too forced and technical for the sake of being technical. I don't know, I'd much prefer any of Miles' n Herbie's stuff to this. That being said, I think the opener is ok, which is where my vote went.

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Posted By: HarbouringTheSoul
Date Posted: November 26 2012 at 05:30
Nothing beats that moment where "Dawn" breaks from darkness into day, so to speak. Every time that riff comes in, I'm floored. Truly one of the best moments in rock music.


Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: November 26 2012 at 05:49
"Dance of Maya" comes first to mind.  Real dirty guitar on that one.

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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: November 26 2012 at 10:09
Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

I have never understood the praise for this band. Never. To these ears it feels too forced and technical for the sake of being technical. I don't know, I'd much prefer any of Miles' n Herbie's stuff to this. That being said, I think the opener is ok, which is where my vote went.
MO are insane and MO are groovy, and that's what makes MO fun. Amazing drumming chopsmanship? They have it. Repetitive guitar with delicious tones? Got it!


Posted By: geneyesontle
Date Posted: November 26 2012 at 16:39
Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

I have never understood the praise for this band. Never. To these ears it feels too forced and technical for the sake of being technical. I don't know, I'd much prefer any of Miles' n Herbie's stuff to this. That being said, I think the opener is ok, which is where my vote went.
It's because we never heard a jazz band sounding like that. Inner Mounting Flame prouved that we didn't have to sound like Glenn Miller to be a jazz band. They opened the gates for many jazz bands with their virtuosic approach, their Indian Scales and their raw sound.


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Poseidon wants to Acquire the Taste of the Fragile Lamb
- Derek Adrian Gabriel Anderson, singer of the band Geneyesontle


Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: November 26 2012 at 19:49
I love this album, but i cannot vote because i like all the tracks equally. And the Live in Paris '72 DVD features most tracks and is totally awesome!


Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: November 26 2012 at 23:12
Originally posted by geneyesontle geneyesontle wrote:


Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

I have never understood the praise for this band. Never. To these ears it feels too forced and technical for the sake of being technical. I don't know, I'd much prefer any of Miles' n Herbie's stuff to this. That being said, I think the opener is ok, which is where my vote went.

It's because we never heard a jazz band sounding like that. Inner Mounting Flame prouved that we didn't have to sound like Glenn Miller to be a jazz band. They opened the gates for many jazz bands with their virtuosic approach, their Indian Scales and their raw sound.



Well that is only partly true, because where did they learn it from? The project I mentioned in my initial post - which was Miles' Bitches Brew sessions. One should look at that as genesis, the hand that lead into the musical fingers we know as Mahavishnu, Weather Report, Mwandishi and so forth. Strictly speaking, it was McLoughlin who was the pupil under Miles' wings. He then proceeded to take it further, yes no doubt, but influentially he came from somewhere else.
Either way, all of this still boils down to taste, and together with Cobham these two guys rank among the most clinical players in fusion to me. Sorry guys, just an opinion.

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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: November 26 2012 at 23:22
^ Sorry that you feel that way about them. Unhappy

On another note: ... I'm not sure whether or not I should be surprised that "Noonward Race" and "Vital Transformation" didn't get any votes. Jazzy hardcore rock-n'-roll sped-u-u-up! ... for the frugging win. Big smile


Posted By: dreadpirateroberts
Date Posted: November 27 2012 at 00:34
You Know, You Know - where they relax, a bit - it's pleasing indeed. Meeting is a close second.

I think Jimi Hendrix might get a credit too, big influence on Miles and his disciples. Wink


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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: November 27 2012 at 00:40
^ Well spoken, sir.


Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: November 27 2012 at 01:44
Originally posted by dreadpirateroberts dreadpirateroberts wrote:


I think Jimi Hendrix might get a credit too, big influence on Miles and his disciples. Wink


I agree with you on this one Leslie Cool. I remember watching a documentary on Hendrix and when Miles Davis was asked, what was his favorite track he answered, MACHINE GUN......and then said "I wish I wrote that one..."


Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: November 27 2012 at 01:51
LOL Nice. Big smile ... although it's hard for me to imagine him working on a rocker like "Machine Gun".


Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: November 27 2012 at 02:01
He meant just writing those two "riffs" that song has, without all the Jimi guitar babbling on top. I would really like to hear him interpret that to jazz.

And may I say it's my favorite track too...Oh sorry wrong thread...Ahhhhhh..........Yeah, Dawn for me, thank you.


Posted By: HarbouringTheSoul
Date Posted: November 27 2012 at 06:06
Originally posted by geneyesontle geneyesontle wrote:

Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

I have never understood the praise for this band. Never. To these ears it feels too forced and technical for the sake of being technical. I don't know, I'd much prefer any of Miles' n Herbie's stuff to this. That being said, I think the opener is ok, which is where my vote went.
It's because we never heard a jazz band sounding like that. Inner Mounting Flame prouved that we didn't have to sound like Glenn Miller to be a jazz band. They opened the gates for many jazz bands with their virtuosic approach, their Indian Scales and their raw sound.

I wouldn't call MO a jazz band. They were a rock band that was inspired by the ideas Miles Davis laid out in his fusion albums.


Posted By: dreadpirateroberts
Date Posted: November 27 2012 at 07:37
Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

^ Well spoken, sir.


Big smile

Thanks!


Originally posted by sagichim sagichim wrote:

Originally posted by dreadpirateroberts dreadpirateroberts wrote:


I think Jimi Hendrix might get a credit too, big influence on Miles and his disciples. Wink


I agree with you on this one Leslie Cool. I remember watching a documentary on Hendrix and when Miles Davis was asked, what was his favorite track he answered, MACHINE GUN......and then said "I wish I wrote that one..."


Yeah, I was a fairly big fan, huh? I feel the same - for both of em, wish I'd wrote more than a few of their respective pieces hahaha


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Posted By: The Bearded Bard
Date Posted: December 10 2012 at 10:50
Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

I love this album, but i cannot vote because i like all the tracks equally.
It's a brilliant album! All the tracks are great, except for Vital Transformation, which doesn't do anything for me. I'll go with The Noonwards Race today, but I might have a different favourite tomorrow.
 
Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

And the Live in Paris '72 DVD features most tracks and is totally awesome!
What DVD is that, Doug? Can't find anything like that anywhere.

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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: December 10 2012 at 11:39
Originally posted by The Bearded Bard The Bearded Bard wrote:

Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

I love this album, but i cannot vote because i like all the tracks equally.
It's a brilliant album! All the tracks are great, except for Vital Transformation, which doesn't do anything for me. I'll go with The Noonwards Race today, but I might have a different favourite tomorrow.
 
Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

And the Live in Paris '72 DVD features most tracks and is totally awesome!
What DVD is that, Doug? Can't find anything like that anywhere.
Actually, the proper title is Mahavishnu Orchestra Live In France 1972-the label is called HEADLINER
track listing

Intro
Meeting Of The Spirits
You Know, You Know
The Dance Of Maya
One Word
Resolution
Sanctuary
Awakening

The sound and image are bootleg quality, though i bought it at a new, established CD/DVD store, i think it was about a year ago, at least


Posted By: The Bearded Bard
Date Posted: December 10 2012 at 12:10
Now I found itBig smile Will check it out. Thanks for the tip!

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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: December 10 2012 at 14:42
^your welcome-it is quite a concert!


Posted By: The Bearded Bard
Date Posted: December 10 2012 at 14:57
I bet! On my wish list it goes!Big smile

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Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: December 11 2012 at 07:04
"Meeting of The Spirits", within the first minute of listening to this song all my questions about fusion were cleared up and I was able to go back and listen to Miles' "Bitches Brew" with a new found understanding, appreciation and joy.


Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: December 11 2012 at 07:19
Originally posted by dreadpirateroberts dreadpirateroberts wrote:

You Know, You Know - where they relax, a bit - it's pleasing indeed. Meeting is a close second.

I think Jimi Hendrix might get a credit too, big influence on Miles and his disciples. Wink
Not to take anything away from Jimi (because he did have an impact on Miles' music) but if you do your research you'll find that possibly the main influence (especially in Miles' change in sound and presentation) came from Sly Stone.  Sly also had a similar powerful influence over the sound and presentation of Herbie Hancock.



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