2010s counterculture coming soon
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Topic: 2010s counterculture coming soon
Posted By: Stool Man
Subject: 2010s counterculture coming soon
Date Posted: November 16 2013 at 14:24
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I believe the phenomenon of the 60s counterculture is going to be repeated during this decade. This belief is based on a number of things. The 60s counterculture wasn't really thought of as such at the time - the vegetarians weren't especially interested in being linked with the black power movement, who weren't especially interested in being linked with the hippies, who weren't especially interested in being linked with the women's libbers, who weren't especially interested in being linked with ....etc etc. But now we look back at all that stuff and we call it the counterculture. I think the same will happen with various things going on during this decade. Some of those things have already begun, and some might have been around for ages (just as 60s vegetarianism wasn't a new thing, and so on. Examples include the Occupy movement, Pussy Riot (both started small and exploded worldwide), various naked protestors (Stephen Gough, Femen, WNBR, etc) freecycling, permaculture, and so on. ------------- rotten hound of the burnie crew |
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: November 16 2013 at 17:54
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Nah.
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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: November 17 2013 at 00:45
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The old man is against it, dude. ------------- |
Posted By: Stool Man
Date Posted: November 17 2013 at 08:03
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It's not a matter of choice. Stuff will happen regardless of our opinions. The 60s counterculture wasn't seen as a counterculture at the time (and some still disagree that there was any such thing, but hey) Imagine fifty years ago, being told that this-and-that was going to happen in the next few years, you'd just point and laugh and shake yr head. ------------- rotten hound of the burnie crew |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: November 17 2013 at 09:01
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I wasn't choosing, (thou' admittedly I was glibly dismissive), I genuinely believe it isn't happening and isn't likely to happen. And by "this" I mean any dramatic change to existing cultural norms as a result of an cohesive opposition by those groups regarded as being part of this counter-culture. We have (and always have had) a myriad of subcultures, most of which are superficial on a social scale, all of them are disparate and unconnected, and only a few of them can be regarded as a counter-culture collectively or individually. The LGBT community, while fulfilling the requirements of a counter-culture are not true counter-culture as such - they are counter to the social mainstream, but they are not a culture (as subculture), members of the LGBT community do not necessarily exclude themselves from the social mainstream (in fact for many their aim or goal is to be integrated into that mainstream, to be regarded as equal in every way, shape and form regardless of the gender alignment). Vegetarianism is a lifestyle choice, not a sociological classification, similarly permaculture and freecycling are a philosophy not a sociology (and are also a lifestyle choices), none of these are necessarily divorced from the social mainstream (nor do they wish to be). While it is true that some (and by no means all) of the exponents of LGBT, vegetarianism, permaculture and freecycling may be associated with a sub-cultures or counter-cultures of like-minded people, this not commutative. I don't see any of this as being related or connected to the Occupy movement, even if they share many members who have adopted those lifestyle choices, ironically I suspect that economic realities and public (in)tolerance will render the Occupy movement as ineffectual. ------------- What? |
Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: November 17 2013 at 09:30
| I don't see people "dropping out" as they did "back in the day". When you can show me 75 hippies standing at the freeway entrance in Santa Barbara trying to hitch a ride up I 5 to northern cali I will believe it is back. |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: November 21 2013 at 06:56
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How to spot someone who will never save or change the world, but wants everyone to think he really wants to, whilst remaining anonymous, yet really wanting to be on TV.
He/She wears one of these:  ------------- 
Jon Lord 1941 - 2012 |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: November 21 2013 at 08:40
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I think the modern "hippies" mostly are to be found in the underground electronic scene. One could say that it's about 'dropping out', but it's a lot more to do with meeting people you've never met before, in a beautiful place preferably some where in the forest out of sight from Police and squares, and then dancing the night away. You tend to develop this other language with these folks as the hours roll by, and there's an ecstasy awaiting much like the one the ol hippies set out to find, if things come together in just the right way. Or maybe that's just called having a funky good ol time?
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Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: November 21 2013 at 10:04
| sounds close but ..... |
Posted By: Metalmarsh89
Date Posted: November 21 2013 at 10:11
Hard to deny it, then again I live in Eugene, OR where hippies have always reigned. |
Guldbamsen wrote:Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: November 21 2013 at 10:14
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I wouldn't recognise counterculture if it jumped up and bit me on the &rse to be honest.
Things like the occupy movement don't really count IO, because they are comprised of people from different backgrounds and social classes who ultimately want the same thing; a larger slice of the pie so they can live a normal comfortable mainstream existence. I'm sure they would claim they are challenging the status quo, but to be honest, I don't think many of them really understand what the status quo is, and how it works. Most certainly will have no grasp of economics. You could argue a modern counterculturist is someone who makes sure they don't burden themselves with stacks of debt...  ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: November 21 2013 at 10:16
This^
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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: November 21 2013 at 10:23
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I think the power establishment is much more "ready" to counteract any would-be changes to the system, than they were in the 60s. Nowadays, they can manipulate the mass media into making us believe that these colorful countercultural icons represent a real shift in the national mood and the way things are done. Meanwhile, nothing actually changes. The rich and powerful still own and control everything. Any real changes are superficial and not fundamentally important in the grand scheme -- the powers that be see to that. ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: November 21 2013 at 10:44
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I'm not so sure the counter-culture of the 60s actually achieved anything that wouldn't have happened as a matter of course anyway. And whatever vestiges of that post-hippy, free-love, permissive-society, ban the bomb, peace-love-and-understanding, what-ever-you've-got-we're-against-it counter-culture remained quickly evaporated in the mid-70s and was but a faint memory in the 80s, despite what tye-diehard corporate-stockbroker ex-hippies may like to think - if you can remember the 60s then you probably were there. Nostalgia smells of patchouli.
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: November 21 2013 at 11:38
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I wasn't alive in the 60s but if there's a "counterculture" today I can hardly see it. I see a million types of "sub-cultures" to give it a name but nothing like a mass generational (arguably useless) movement .
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: November 21 2013 at 12:35
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As someone who is firmly entrenched as a member of "Generation Y"/ "the millenials" or us folk coming of age in the 2010s (so no old man bias here!) I can say:
No.
I dont really see it.
There will always be various movements, ideologies and something to claim as our own (far as I can tell we have dubstep and hipsters) but that 1960s like universal feeling probably wont happen again. Well, at least I doubt now. Just such a unique time of history, and with things like technology and apathy, IDK if we care enough to have a counter culture
 May sound funny but I think we're pretty darn non ideological, and us 25 and unders that dealt with/are dealing with our recession and stagnation don't have much time. Like I said, with technology I can satisfy my angst/hunger online as well as vent but hell, I cant afford to be rebellious!
Shame is, I think there is potential. With so many people POd about both government and market failings, an overall disdain of government but weird feeling of "justice" and fairness, horrid economic outlook. If we wanted there could maybe be a mass movement for real change, buutt closest there was is OWS and most people I know either hate the very idea of protest (
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Posted By: Donald
Date Posted: December 15 2016 at 01:54
| It just emerged. It is the Alt-Right |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: December 15 2016 at 02:28
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Donald! I know you're everywhere-- but a prog site? Friggin' awesome. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: December 15 2016 at 03:56
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Counter culture is a cosmetic and meaningless concept anyway. Silly discussion topic for adults to engage in. We all thought we could change the world by smoking a few joints and playing a guitar when we were 17. The only things that change the world, sadly are wars and economic depressions. The 'people' will come together when communally facing something that equally threatens them all, otherwise people will only care about themselves, their immediate families and a handful of ideological kindreds. When the fascists, the hippies and the Islamists all face being wiped out in one job lot, they may start seeing the benefits of co-operation. If they don't then maybe they deserve to burn. Merry Christmas! ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |