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Topic: Subgenres Knockout Poll Pt 11Posted By: Stool Man
Subject: Subgenres Knockout Poll Pt 11
Date Posted: February 03 2014 at 08:31
Remember to vote for your LEAST favourite subgenre.
Psychedelic/Space Rock had no votes last time.
------------- rotten hound of the burnie crew
Replies: Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: February 03 2014 at 08:46
Symph, symph, symph
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: February 03 2014 at 09:04
RPI.
------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow.
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: February 03 2014 at 09:10
In this stage my main business is the crusade against the hybrid subgenres that are more or less limited to one country. Since I prefer RPI above Krautrock I vote for the latter. Moreover, I hope to keep Sympho in the tournament because I think it is one of the core subgenres of prog.
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Posted By: LSDisease
Date Posted: February 03 2014 at 09:22
Canterbury scene again
------------- "Du gehst zu Frauen? Vergiss die Peitsche nicht!"
Posted By: bloodnarfer
Date Posted: February 03 2014 at 09:31
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: February 03 2014 at 13:40
someone_else wrote:
In this stage my main business is the crusade against the hybrid subgenres that are more or less limited to one country. Since I prefer RPI above Krautrock I vote for the latter. Moreover, I hope to keep Sympho in the tournament because I think it is one of the core subgenres of prog.
I like the fact that you're consistent even if I hope Krautrock will last to the very end. My current fave
Btw whereas RPI is entirely made up of Italian artists (please, anybody, correct me if I'm wrong), you'll find loads of acts in Krautrock spanning from places as different as Japan, France, The States, Italy and the list literally goes on and on.
Back when the expression was coined it largely dealt with German acts exclusively - including bands like Jane, Birth Control, Pell Mell, Adonis' Daughter and lots of other acts that we here on PA have placed in other subs. Krautrock, at least on this site, is more about the 'experimental' vibes, improvisation, motorik grooves and that ever so fleeting feel of Kosmische Musik
(I know you said "more or less limited to one country", I just took the chance to elaborate on a sub which I feel a lot of folks misunderstand. It wasn't directed at you in particular)
------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.”
- Douglas Adams
Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: February 03 2014 at 14:18
I have no desire to vote in these polls from now on
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: February 03 2014 at 15:42
Heavy again.
------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution
Posted By: PabstRibbon
Date Posted: February 03 2014 at 17:15
It's funny to see how much Symphonic is the "least favourite" genre on this poll. When you take a look at the top 25 albums of all time, the genre is strongly represented and those who are not listed as Symphonic (like In The Court) are considered as such... Strange
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: February 03 2014 at 17:39
This is a strange place....perhaps one of my favourite things about PA
------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.”
- Douglas Adams
Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: February 03 2014 at 19:56
Rio/Avant!! Not symphonic; what are you people thinking???
------------- A GREAT YEAR FOR PROG!!!
Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: February 03 2014 at 20:48
PabstRibbon wrote:
It's funny to see how much Symphonic is the "least favourite" genre on this poll. When you take a look at the top 25 albums of all time, the genre is strongly represented and those who are not listed as Symphonic (like In The Court) are considered as such... Strange
Depends on whose list.
Posted By: proggman
Date Posted: February 03 2014 at 22:03
Having a difficult time choosing what I should vote for, Krautrock or RIO/Avant-Prog?
------------- When he rides, my fears subside. For darkness turns once more to light. Through the skies, his white horse flies. To find a land beyond the night.
Posted By: infocat
Date Posted: February 03 2014 at 23:39
proggman wrote:
Having a difficult time choosing what I should vote for, Krautrock or RIO/Avant-Prog?
Vote Krautrock. I did!
------------- -- Frank Swarbrick Belief is not Truth.
Posted By: proggman
Date Posted: February 03 2014 at 23:54
I'll probably do that soon. Must keep Symphonic Prog alive here.
------------- When he rides, my fears subside. For darkness turns once more to light. Through the skies, his white horse flies. To find a land beyond the night.
Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: February 03 2014 at 23:59
Sagichim wrote:
I have no desire to vote in these polls from now on
Haven't voted even once from the beginning, my friend! I hold no dislike of any of the prog sub-genres, but these polls have seen some pretty repulsive character traits emerge!
Besides, I don't see the point. So once a week about 10 people get to feel smug about themselves?! Same goes for the final round I guess, too.
Posted By: infocat
Date Posted: February 04 2014 at 00:02
I like all of the PA subs, but I also like voting in these polls. Call me crazy.
------------- -- Frank Swarbrick Belief is not Truth.
Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: February 04 2014 at 01:27
Aussie-Byrd-Brother wrote:
Sagichim wrote:
I have no desire to vote in these polls from now on
Haven't voted even once from the beginning, my friend! I hold no dislike of any of the prog sub-genres, but these polls have seen some pretty repulsive character traits emerge!
Besides, I don't see the point. So once a week about 10 people get to feel smug about themselves?! Same goes for the final round I guess, too.
The repulsive character traits are the best thing. I inquired as to the point of this - apparently this is to encourage music consumption. Don't actually see how.
It is mildly amusing to see Symphonic prog rock targeted as, without the usual suspects, ELP, Yes, Genesis et al, there would be nothing prog rock. But only mildly.
I would rather encourage all music creation no matter the meta-genre, genre, sub genre, sub -sub genre etc, usw.
Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: February 04 2014 at 01:34
uduwudu wrote:
Aussie-Byrd-Brother wrote:
Sagichim wrote:
I have no desire to vote in these polls from now on
Haven't voted even once from the beginning, my friend! I hold no dislike of any of the prog sub-genres, but these polls have seen some pretty repulsive character traits emerge!
Besides, I don't see the point. So once a week about 10 people get to feel smug about themselves?! Same goes for the final round I guess, too.
The repulsive character traits are the best thing. I inquired as to the point of this - apparently this is to encourage music consumption. Don't actually see how. It is mildly amusing to see Symphonic prog rock targeted as, without the usual suspects, ELP, Yes, Genesis et al, there would be nothing prog rock. But only mildly.I would rather encourage all music creation no matter the meta-genre, genre, sub genre, sub -sub genre etc, usw.
Amen, brother, from this Brother! Go sing it from the mountain!
I, too, feel there's frequently a little bit of `selective musical history' going on here, that makes me more likely to NOT want to explore further other genres of progressive music because of the attitude of some. A shame, because if they were a little more tolerant and less dismissive, I'd take their opinions more seriously.
Oh, great, now thats bringing out the bad character traits in me!
Just enjoy all progressive music, people, without the hang-ups!
Posted By: LSDisease
Date Posted: February 04 2014 at 03:22
Guldbamsen wrote:
Btw whereas RPI is entirely made up of Italian artists (please, anybody, correct me if I'm wrong), you'll find loads of acts in Krautrock spanning from places as different as Japan, France, The States, Italy and the list literally goes on and on.
Back when the expression was coined it largely dealt with German acts exclusively - including bands like Jane, Birth Control, Pell Mell, Adonis' Daughter(???) and lots of other acts that we here on PA have placed in other subs. Krautrock, at least on this site, is more about the 'experimental' vibes, improvisation, motorik grooves and that ever so fleeting feel of
It's Anyone's Daughter. Their debut album was named Adonis. Great piece of record btw.
------------- "Du gehst zu Frauen? Vergiss die Peitsche nicht!"
Posted By: PabstRibbon
Date Posted: February 04 2014 at 04:24
RIO must stay until the end
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: February 04 2014 at 06:29
As much as I like sauerkraut, musically it gets my vote here nonetheless
Posted By: I-Juca Pirama
Date Posted: February 04 2014 at 07:22
RIO is too much for me.
------------- Without charity, there is no salvation
Posted By: proggman
Date Posted: February 04 2014 at 11:22
PabstRibbon wrote:
RIO must stay until the end
From what it looks like now, it probably won't.
------------- When he rides, my fears subside. For darkness turns once more to light. Through the skies, his white horse flies. To find a land beyond the night.
Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: February 04 2014 at 22:23
RIO again
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: February 04 2014 at 23:22
Aw c'mon - RIO has ZAPPA - no-one in their right mind can jettison Uncle Frank..........
..........Zappa should be an entire separate sub-genre in/of itself..........
Posted By: proggman
Date Posted: February 05 2014 at 20:56
After some thinking. I'll now vote for Krautrock.
------------- When he rides, my fears subside. For darkness turns once more to light. Through the skies, his white horse flies. To find a land beyond the night.
Posted By: King Crimson776
Date Posted: February 05 2014 at 21:04
^ Zappa is arguably more 'eclectic prog'.
I'll actually be honest and vote krautrock, rather than make sure avant is out (it clearly is). Avant is much better though.
PabstRibbon wrote:
It's funny to see how much Symphonic is the "least favourite" genre on this poll. When you take a look at the top 25 albums of all time, the genre is strongly represented and those who are not listed as Symphonic (like In The Court) are considered as such... Strange
Symphonic is the most liked, but that doesn't mean it's the "least hated". If people voting it were honest though they'd probably vote RPI first.
Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: February 05 2014 at 21:50
King Crimson776 wrote:
^ Zappa is arguably more 'eclectic prog'.
I'll actually be honest and vote krautrock, rather than make sure avant is out (it clearly is). Avant is much better though.
PabstRibbon wrote:
It's funny to see how much Symphonic is the "least favourite" genre on this poll. When you take a look at the top 25 albums of all time, the genre is strongly represented and those who are not listed as Symphonic (like In The Court) are considered as such... Strange
Symphonic is the most liked, but that doesn't mean it's the "least hated". If people voting it were honest though they'd probably vote RPI first.
I like Yes, but most of the big symph bands (ELP, Genesis, Kansas, Anglagard, etc.) don't sit well with me. Particularly lyrically, which isn't much of a problem for RPI (to a non-Italian speaker, that is).
I generally find RPI more consistent and appealing to explore, so symph gets my vote, although I by no means dislike the sub.
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: February 05 2014 at 22:21
Kraut, to save RIO
------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect.
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: February 05 2014 at 22:34
Kraut we must save RIO
------------- Ian
Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com
Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: February 05 2014 at 23:02
Symph = the genre to which the term "prog rock" was first applied, not the start of all we now consider prog rock.
Posted By: Master of Time
Date Posted: February 06 2014 at 17:26
Now I can finally vote for a different subgenre now that progressive electronic is finally gone, now it seems I'll be spending another long period of time voting Jazz Rock/Fusion.
Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: February 08 2014 at 10:07
I voted Krautrock to save RIO. I don't like the influences on pop music that resulted from Kraftwerk. And HackettFan makes no secret of being a ZappaFan.
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: February 08 2014 at 10:18
But Kraftwerk aren't Krautrock, well at least not the period you're referring to
This is Kraftwerk back when they made Krautrock:
What they later on metamorphosed into, the electronic pop deities, are miles away from anything resembling Krautrock.
------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.”
- Douglas Adams
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: February 08 2014 at 14:40
^ Whoa !! Ruckzuck - - Back when they were 'Krautwerk'
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: February 08 2014 at 17:27
King Crimson776 wrote:
Symphonic is the most liked, but that doesn't mean it's the "least hated". If people voting it were honest though they'd probably vote RPI first.
That doesn't make a lot of sense to me.....in that if symph is the most liked then it should have very few votes on any of the least favorite polls so far.
A great deal of RPI is symph to me with Italian lyrics.
And it amazes me that psych/space prog has no votes at all against it. Is it going to win..?
And it's 'least favorite' and not 'least hated' btw.
------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: February 08 2014 at 17:33
I think some people just like to play things a little provocatively. Either that or it's the good old "if everyone on PA likes something, then I must dislike it profusely because I am a cool cat andI will never ever be mainstream".
Or maybe the people chiming in in these polls are not the same as the ones who were part of building up the symphonic reputation of the frontpage.
------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.”
- Douglas Adams
Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: February 08 2014 at 18:16
dr wu23 wrote:
And it amazes me that psych/space prog has no votes at all against it. Is it going to win..?
Probably not. Pretty much all of the subs that have been voted out or are threatened are subs that are somewhat controversial. Metal, RIO, Krautrock, etc. Even Symph is pretty controversial, whereas Psych/space, Canterbury, prog folk, and RPI are probably the most inoffensive genres of the bunch. Those subs are being let off the hook in favor of those other, more controversial genres.
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: February 09 2014 at 14:31
Polymorphia wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
And it amazes me that psych/space prog has no votes at all against it. Is it going to win..?
Probably not. Pretty much all of the subs that have been voted out or are threatened are subs that are somewhat controversial. Metal, RIO, Krautrock, etc. Even Symph is pretty controversial, whereas Psych/space, Canterbury, prog folk, and RPI are probably the most inoffensive genres of the bunch. Those subs are being let off the hook in favor of those other, more controversial genres.
How in the hell is symph 'controversial'..? I simply don't get that .
Psychedelic space rock can be much more difficult to digest as well as RPI.
As some one mentioned just above I think many on this poll are 'taking the piss' as they say in merry old England.
------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin
Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: February 09 2014 at 16:39
dr wu23 wrote:
Polymorphia wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
And it amazes me that psych/space prog has no votes at all against it. Is it going to win..?
Probably not. Pretty much all of the subs that have been voted out or are threatened are subs that are somewhat controversial. Metal, RIO, Krautrock, etc. Even Symph is pretty controversial, whereas Psych/space, Canterbury, prog folk, and RPI are probably the most inoffensive genres of the bunch. Those subs are being let off the hook in favor of those other, more controversial genres.
How in the hell is symph 'controversial'..? I simply don't get that .
Bombast, bombast, bombast. It is the subgenre of prog most associated with pretension and general ham-fisted-ness (along with neo-prog and prog metal). ELP are practically the poster boys for this ideal. It's not a matter of musical dissonance, but a matter of just generally rubbing people the wrong way.
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: February 09 2014 at 16:50
Polymorphia wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
Polymorphia wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
And it amazes me that psych/space prog has no votes at all against it. Is it going to win..?
Probably not. Pretty much all of the subs that have been voted out or are threatened are subs that are somewhat controversial. Metal, RIO, Krautrock, etc. Even Symph is pretty controversial, whereas Psych/space, Canterbury, prog folk, and RPI are probably the most inoffensive genres of the bunch. Those subs are being let off the hook in favor of those other, more controversial genres.
How in the hell is symph 'controversial'..? I simply don't get that .
Bombast, bombast, bombast. It is the subgenre of prog most associated with pretension and general ham-fisted-ness (along with neo-prog and prog metal). ELP are practically the poster boys for this ideal. It's not a matter of musical dissonance, but a matter of just generally rubbing people the wrong way.
Bombastic..? Seriously..? Most prog is 'bombastic' in one way or another and it's less pretentious than others...imo.
Take Haken for instance...their new LP gets raves and its listed as heavy prog but imo it's also 'bombastic' and more than most of the good symph things out there. Symph rubs me the wrong way far less than many other genres.
Go figure.
------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin
Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: February 09 2014 at 19:52
dr wu23 wrote:
Polymorphia wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
Polymorphia wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
And it amazes me that psych/space prog has no votes at all against it. Is it going to win..?
Probably not. Pretty much all of the subs that have been voted out or are threatened are subs that are somewhat controversial. Metal, RIO, Krautrock, etc. Even Symph is pretty controversial, whereas Psych/space, Canterbury, prog folk, and RPI are probably the most inoffensive genres of the bunch. Those subs are being let off the hook in favor of those other, more controversial genres.
How in the hell is symph 'controversial'..? I simply don't get that .
Bombast, bombast, bombast. It is the subgenre of prog most associated with pretension and general ham-fisted-ness (along with neo-prog and prog metal). ELP are practically the poster boys for this ideal. It's not a matter of musical dissonance, but a matter of just generally rubbing people the wrong way.
Bombastic..? Seriously..? Most prog is 'bombastic' in one way or another and it's less pretentious than others...imo.
Take Haken for instance...their new LP gets raves and its listed as heavy prog but imo it's also 'bombastic' and more than most of the good symph things out there. Symph rubs me the wrong way far less than many other genres.
Go figure.
Haken, although classified as heavy prog here, is most associated with the prog metal scene. Notice prog metal was one of the first to go. People liked new Haken a lot. People liked new Spock's Beard a lot too. But the set of people voting in this poll is a different set from the people who found those albums worth rating or reviewing. They overlap certainly, but they're not the same. Certainly some people are just being contrarian, and some placing strategic votes without wanting to vote for RIO or Krautrock, but there are also some who don't necessarily think symph is the best out of these genres. Also remember this is a knockout poll, a clash of titans, not big man vs small man. All of these sub-genres have a following here (maybe not raga/indo), and my argument isn't necessarily that those voting for symph dislike symph in general because of its bombast and pretention. This poll is more of a "who would win in a fight" kind of thing, and, when the genres are pitted against each other, participants are naturally going to be somewhat critical. With lots of big symph bands that are not in the category of "good symph things out there," symph is going to seem less appealing. Of course, this is all conjecture (as is the idea that the voters are simply "pissing"). I can only speak for myself for certain. But I also can't imagine symph fans just pretending not to like symph.
Posted By: proggman
Date Posted: February 09 2014 at 21:49
I have never thought of Symphonic Prog as pretentious.
------------- When he rides, my fears subside. For darkness turns once more to light. Through the skies, his white horse flies. To find a land beyond the night.
Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: February 10 2014 at 09:54
As you can see in Poll 12, RPI is ahead (or behind that is), and the people who voted that are probably different from the people who voted symph, therefore the people who seem to like RPI better are not the same as those who like symph better.
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: February 10 2014 at 12:43
A+ Poly
------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow.
Posted By: King Crimson776
Date Posted: February 10 2014 at 16:15
No, the people voting RPI are generally those who voted symph. They went RPI because it was clear symph wouldn't go. At the same time, I do think that is more honest, because RPI is less substantial. But the reasoning is yet another level of contrivance. What a tangled web we weave.
dr wu23 wrote:
King Crimson776 wrote:
Symphonic is the most liked, but that doesn't mean it's the "least hated". If people voting it were honest though they'd probably vote RPI first.
That doesn't make a lot of sense to me.....in that if symph is the most liked then it should have very few votes on any of the least favorite polls so far.
A great deal of RPI is symph to me with Italian lyrics.
I'm trying to say that symphonic gets more divergent reactions than say psych/space. Therefore in a negative poll, you will much more votes for it than something that attracts less attention (good and bad). Of course, the overall view of it is very positive. Much more so than krautrock and whatnot.
Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: February 10 2014 at 16:25