Fish left Marillion why?

Interesting read, Thanks prog-chick, glad to hear he sounds quite happy with life.

composer wrote:      Welcome to the prog therapy thread of the association of armchair psycholigists stonebeard.

    
Hey, I resent that a little (very little actually ) I was speaking from experience.

Whatever your credentials may (or may not) be, it is interesting to discuss these kind of human dynamics.

    Welcome to the prog therapy thread of the association of armchair psycholigists stonebeard.

Vigil, I Think deals with the "booting" and the disillusionment he felt afterwards more than anything else.

I don't know for sure, but I imagine he must have it under control. I know he's done some acting in the past few years and he releases music and tours with some regularity. It all points to recovery or at least to increased self-control. Maybe having kids got to him. that happens sometimes
    

Edited by composer - August 15 2006 at 12:49

composer wrote: All my seven brothers and sistera and I wound up becomeing "enablers" and so we mostly all married "holics" of one type or another ourselves. Took me a lot of years and bad relationships to start figuring out what the hell was wrong and where it came from. You know after the fact you can kind of see some of that in Fish's stage behaviour. On his solo Live disc (BBC Live) and on a live bootleg I have from the Clutching at Straws tour recorded in Milwaukee Wisconsin. His stage chat with the crowd come across like a 6'3" , 250 pound, 12 year old kid who will say or do anything to get people to like him.

    
You nailed it composer. You can see why this would have caused problems within the group.

By the way, is he sober now.? I would assume that he is, judging by the fact that his career seems to be on track. The music also seems to reflect a certain amount of maturity.

Since 2,5 years I work in a kind of halfway house where I guide mainly 20-50 aged schizophrenics but also some people who have had severe drinking problems. My experience is that the deeper problem is that they have a low self-esteme, problems to take responsibility, they tend to show acting out behaviour (heavy drinking, physical conficts, etc.) and they show diferent faces, from humorous and charming to agressive and dominant.

erik neuteboom wrote: My father in law is an alcoholic, incredible how manipulating these persons could be, always promising everything and doing the opposite .... in fact they are very self-destructive but first the most beloved persons should suffer!

    
Well, addiction is a crazy thing (believe me, I know). You were right about the perception of seeing problems as being caused by others, instead of yourself. This would have made things very difficult for all parties concerned. If the break hadn't happened, it is possible that all of their careers would have ended.

The afflicted person really does want to do right, but their heads are too messed up to follow through. The manipulation happens because of a desire cover up the problem, while still holding on to it. In my case, and in most others I have witnessed, the addiction is actually a symptom of a much larger problem. It's a confict that most likely isn't even percieved, but rages in its destructive ability. If I hadn't figured this out, I probably would not be alive to be telling you about it. I spent many years in that alchohol soaked hell. It's great to be truly living now.

composer wrote: Yes Erik, That's more along the lines of what I thought you were driving at. My old man was 87 when he died and I don't think I'd need all my fingers and toes to count the number of times I saw him sober. It's a hell of a thing to live with. i don't blame the band for giving him the boot. I hadn't thought of the Morrison connection but yeah, I think the comparison fits.

My heart goes out to ya.  Living with an alcoholic wreaks hell and everyone at home.

Yes Erik, That's more along the lines of what I thought you were driving at. My old man was 87 when he died and I don't think I'd need all my fingers and toes to count the number of times I saw him sober. It's a hell of a thing to live with. i don't blame the band for giving him the boot. I hadn't thought of the Morrison connection but yeah, I think the comparison fits.

"He should have taken soundings"

Fish paid the price for this and so unfortunately did the band IMO