Modern Prog: First Album

Cristi wrote: Psychedelic Paul wrote: Cristi wrote: Psychedelic Paul wrote: ^ As I mentioned earlier, I didn't torture myself by listening to those Avant Prog albums all the way through. Five minutes was usually about all I could take.  so why did you rate them if you haven't listened to them all the way through?  They're not official PA ratings. They're unofficial ratings solely for the purposes of this poll, so I wouldn't worry about it.  official or unofficial, read what Jared said above, I could not have said it better.

Cristi wrote: Psychedelic Paul wrote: ^ As I mentioned earlier, I didn't torture myself by listening to those Avant Prog albums all the way through. Five minutes was usually about all I could take.  so why did you rate them if you haven't listened to them all the way through?

Psychedelic Paul wrote: ^ As I mentioned earlier, I didn't torture myself by listening to those Avant Prog albums all the way through. Five minutes was usually about all I could take.

Psychedelic Paul wrote: Cristi wrote: David_D wrote: David_D wrote: Psychedelic Paul wrote: No worries. I'll just post my ratings only in the second Modern Prog poll, without passing comment, which will avoid another "long tiresome blog of bilious dreck" from me.  It'll be fine.  Or I'm not so sure about it, with all these ratings of yours, so much focus on them and maybe quite a lot of unsatisfied people.  it was not his ratings that people found upsetting, but his comments, Ian pointed them out earlier.  Well, at least I've made the effort to finally listen to some Avant prog albums even though I knew I probably wouldn't like them, but I can't say I wasn't warned in advance,  especially by you.

It really has nothing at all with your ratings, Paul, as so many have said, so many times. No one has been upset (or surprised) by your ratings, as by now we all know your tastes. But you just keep on with your wilfully obtuse missing of the point. We know you do that so well! 😄🤪

David_D wrote: David_D wrote: Psychedelic Paul wrote: No worries. I'll just post my ratings only in the second Modern Prog poll, without passing comment, which will avoid another "long tiresome blog of bilious dreck" from me.  It'll be fine.  Or I'm not so sure about it, with all these ratings of yours, so much focus on them and maybe quite a lot of unsatisfied people.

Psychedelic Paul wrote: nick_h_nz wrote: I actually like “Filth”, but I can definitely understand why a lot of people would not. It wouldn’t be my top choice from this poll, but it would quite likely be top five. I was torn between voting for Present or Cardiacs, but in the end went for Present, as I figured they would probably attract fewer votes than Cardiacs. So it’s partially my fault that Mostly Autumn are tied with the discordant shambles that is Present. You’re welcome! 😜 I'll get over it. Stranger things have happened in the world of prog, but at least I can console myself with the fact that Guapo, Swans & Thinking Plague didn't pick up any votes at all against Mostly Autumn's four votes in the poll.

I actually like “Filth”, but I can definitely understand why a lot of people would not. It wouldn’t be my top choice from this poll, but it would quite likely be top five. I was torn between voting for Present or Cardiacs, but in the end went for Present, as I figured they would probably attract fewer votes than Cardiacs. So it’s partially my fault that Mostly Autumn are tied with the discordant shambles that is Present. You’re welcome! 😜

^^ Gary, I don't think it would have made much difference had I been into Swans or not -- my concerns would be the same (obviously it helps having a level of familiarity with the subject it relates to), nor are they my heroes -- it's mostly a recent infatuation, and I'm more into other things now -- what I'm into on any day or month changes. I have focused on the Avant Prog comment, and while I am into Avant Prog and don't consider Filth to be Avant Prog, not do I really enjoy Filth, my concern would be there if it was not about a category that I like a lot from. I do think you have really missed or evaded my point, and we are talking at cross-purposes. I also feel that I could spend a long time trying to write a detailed, well-constructed and thought-out essay as explanation and you would just quote a few words and miss the point, so there is I think no point in us continuing conversations.

By the way, maybe I will try listening to the earliest Mostly Autumn song, I'm sure it wont make me decide to swear of everything that I or others might label Prog Folk (or I guess for the analogy, perhaps "more conventional, melodic music" would make more sense since Mostly Autumn's is labeled Prog Folk), but then I have the advantage of being into a lot of Prog Folk. I haven't explored Mostly Autumn music, but should it come up in a chat with someone who I appreciate such as Paul and he recommends some that he thinks would fit my tastes, I'd be sure to check it out. And if I enjoy something and people have put time into explaining what they might and might not enjoy and been warned that the first album and that the band changes, then I will try to keep that in mind. Note, this kind of conversation is not just been Swans or Avant prog, I have made similar points with Therion (which I haven't even really been into) and others not to quickly judge by the first album or too easily dismiss something, nor do these issues only relate to my experiences with Paul.

Paul liked this by Swans (Michael Gira), and I was pleased, but it didn't really matter: CLICK I appreciate that he took the time to listen to it and hopefully my advice and comments on Swans was rather helpful. The first album would be one of the worst places for Paul to start, but I understand that's what he does. Generally speaking, I think one should be careful when judging something and with the comments (especially if people have gone to lengths to try to elucidate you and that seems to have been ignored to make the same kinds of comments again and again).

Logan wrote:   Sorry, I expect you had good reason to snip my post where you did,