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Zargus
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Posted: October 09 2007 at 11:46 |
Prog metal.. DT, Opeth, Pain of salvation, Mastodon and so on.., the only prog metal band i realy like is Tool, but the other ones i have heard one or 2 song from but the vocals destroy it for me cant stand the growling. Im not saying i will ignore em forever but right now there is so much other great music i wana get.
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Passionist
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Posted: October 09 2007 at 05:49 |
hmm, well. WDGG, Tool, Opeth, PoA earlier, Uzwa. There are several, some of which might not appeal by the name, others the image, and you can't really listen to everything.
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Norbert
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Posted: October 09 2007 at 05:34 |
Nothing reaaly, albums,artist are just rather delayed.
Althoug there artists who don't sound very encouraging, so it's not my priority to get into them more any time soon. Like some German bands from a mainly German subgenre.
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SoundsofSeasons
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Posted: October 08 2007 at 19:59 |
I ignore all 'Death Metal' type Prog. A good example would be Opeth, a band that is quite popular and fairly raved about. I can't listen to that stuff though, it doesn't feel right to me, makes me feel gross. It's like watching a movie i don't think is appropriate. I just want to turn it off.
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1 Chronicles 13:7-9
Then David and all Israel played music before God with all their might, with singing, on harps, on stringed instruments, on tambourines, on cymbals, and with trumpets.
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debrewguy
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Posted: October 08 2007 at 19:44 |
Drakk wrote:
As much as I've loved almost all I've heard from RIO/Avant/Zheul I'm laregely ignorant to the vast amount of styles and bands in PA.
I have, however, loved:
Koenjihyakkei
Henry Cow
Frank Zappa
SGM
Hoyry-Kone
Discus
Estradasphere
Mr. Bungle
Fantomas
X Legged Sally
Univers Zero
Akineton Retard
John Zorn
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Re : "I have loved" ... does that mean you no longer like them  -
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"Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: October 08 2007 at 19:16 |
How am I going to ignore these bands properly with threads like this?
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Dean
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Posted: October 08 2007 at 19:08 |
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rushfan4
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Posted: October 08 2007 at 19:02 |
rushfan4 wrote:
Finnforest wrote:
I feel that the Italian Prog would have the same effect since I would have no idea what was being sung.
Rushfan4, certainly I don't think you're racist to answer your question. But you should reconsider this statement after giving 4 or 5 Italian classics a fair dozen spins or so. What you will find is that after you get "used" to the sound of the language, it quickly just becomes another instrument in the band, but a lead instrument. Eventually, it blends with the music and you hear only the quality and the passion of the vocal, you won't care than you can't understand the lyric. I'm a huge Italian fan and I speak only Engish. It's not a problem. In fact, I almost enjoy foreign language music more now because I'm not distracted or hung up on content. I'm enjoying the music and not worrying about the lyrics say.
It will take a little work, yes. You won't love it on your first play. But once you get over the language thing, you open up a whole new world. Any of us sell ourselves short in a big way if we only listen to music in our native language.
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I'm not sure how much of my following comment is comparing apples to oranges, but I have never been a fan of opera, which is far as I am aware traditionally sung in Italian. Admittedly I have never really heard anything but clips/advertisements, etc.. but it has never truly interested me. I do have one Rick Wakeman album (I think Zodiaque) where he has an opera singer singing the songs (in English) which I don't really care for too much.
This being said, I'm always willing to give something a shot, I am currently listening to the streaming Banco on PA. The first two songs from Banco sounds pretty good.
Also, I was listening to a couple of the songs on the Supernatural Fairy Tales box set last night. There is a version of PFM - Celebration. Mostly instrumental with a small amount of vocals in English (not sure if originally recorded that way, or if this was an English re-recording).
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I enjoyed Banco from the streaming songs on PA. I have seen threads where people highly praised PFM's Per Un Amico and I believe that the high praise is well deserved. That was a very good piece of music.
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Drakk
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Posted: October 08 2007 at 18:14 |
As much as I've loved almost all I've heard from RIO/Avant/Zheul I'm laregely ignorant to the vast amount of styles and bands in PA.
I have, however, loved:
Koenjihyakkei
Henry Cow
Frank Zappa
SGM
Hoyry-Kone
Discus
Estradasphere
Mr. Bungle
Fantomas
X Legged Sally
Univers Zero
Akineton Retard
John Zorn
Yet there's always more.
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[QUOTE=darkshade] [QUOTE=Sckxyss]
I'm disappointed - neither of these players are avant-garde!
Al di Meola.
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haha i know. but the poll itself is avant-garde
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rushfan4
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Posted: October 08 2007 at 18:03 |
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A Stone's Throw
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Dim
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Posted: October 08 2007 at 17:57 |
I am gonna get quite a few rocks thrown at me for this...
GG
VDGG
Devin Townsend
Blind guardin
Anathema
...to name a few, but I want to get into all of them!
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rushfan4
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Posted: October 08 2007 at 17:55 |
Finnforest wrote:
I feel that the Italian Prog would have the same effect since I would have no idea what was being sung.
Rushfan4, certainly I don't think you're racist to answer your question. But you should reconsider this statement after giving 4 or 5 Italian classics a fair dozen spins or so. What you will find is that after you get "used" to the sound of the language, it quickly just becomes another instrument in the band, but a lead instrument. Eventually, it blends with the music and you hear only the quality and the passion of the vocal, you won't care than you can't understand the lyric. I'm a huge Italian fan and I speak only Engish. It's not a problem. In fact, I almost enjoy foreign language music more now because I'm not distracted or hung up on content. I'm enjoying the music and not worrying about the lyrics say.
It will take a little work, yes. You won't love it on your first play. But once you get over the language thing, you open up a whole new world. Any of us sell ourselves short in a big way if we only listen to music in our native language.
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I'm not sure how much of my following comment is comparing apples to oranges, but I have never been a fan of opera, which is far as I am aware traditionally sung in Italian. Admittedly I have never really heard anything but clips/advertisements, etc.. but it has never truly interested me. I do have one Rick Wakeman album (I think Zodiaque) where he has an opera singer singing the songs (in English) which I don't really care for too much.
This being said, I'm always willing to give something a shot, I am currently listening to the streaming Banco on PA. The first two songs from Banco sounds pretty good.
Also, I was listening to a couple of the songs on the Supernatural Fairy Tales box set last night. There is a version of PFM - Celebration. Mostly instrumental with a small amount of vocals in English (not sure if originally recorded that way, or if this was an English re-recording).
Edited by rushfan4 - October 08 2007 at 17:59
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ProgBagel
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Posted: October 08 2007 at 15:22 |
Gentle Giant.
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ozzy_tom
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Posted: October 08 2007 at 06:02 |
Bands & artists which I've completely ignored (but I'll probably check them out in the future):
Barclay James Harvest
The Moody Blues
Soft Machine
The Flower Kings
Giles, Fripp & Giles
Schicke, Fuhrs & Frohling
Manfred Mann
Traffic
Rick Van Der Linden (solo carrer)
Patrick Moraz (solo career)
Keith Emerson (only his solo career of course :-)
Visible Wind
Ayreon
Dream Theater
Gong
Frank Zappa
Marillion
Edited by ozzy_tom - October 08 2007 at 06:03
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Raff
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Posted: October 08 2007 at 05:01 |
Finnforest wrote:
I feel that the Italian Prog would have the same effect since I would have no idea what was being sung.
Rushfan4, certainly I don't think you're racist to answer your question. But you should reconsider this statement after giving 4 or 5 Italian classics a fair dozen spins or so. What you will find is that after you get "used" to the sound of the language, it quickly just becomes another instrument in the band, but a lead instrument. Eventually, it blends with the music and you hear only the quality and the passion of the vocal, you won't care than you can't understand the lyric. I'm a huge Italian fan and I speak only Engish. It's not a problem. In fact, I almost enjoy foreign language music more now because I'm not distracted or hung up on content. I'm enjoying the music and not worrying about the lyrics say.
It will take a little work, yes. You won't love it on your first play. But once you get over the language thing, you open up a whole new world. Any of us sell ourselves short in a big way if we only listen to music in our native language.
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I'd like to add that sometimes understanding the lyrics can be a definite drawback. This is one of the reasons why I've never been too much into Italian prog - the lyrics tend to be a bit on the overwrought side, though of course this is not the case for each and every band. The Seventies band Pholas Dactylus are musically very good, very much in the KC vein - yet, I can't listen to their "Concerto delle Menti" without laughing because of the lyrics. Micky knows what I'm talking about... He's seen my expression often enough whenever he puts on that album!
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Novalis
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Posted: October 08 2007 at 03:06 |
I guess I've ignored Genesis to a certain extent. They never struck a chord with me so to speak, atleast not a resounding one. I won't go as far to say they are overrated, but mainly because I haven't heard the vast majority of their output.
And as far as foreign languages in music go, sometimes I find they enhance the musical experience, eg. Anglagard. While great lyrics certainly add to a song, essentially music is seperate from the lyrics.
And I prefer authenticity in films, if I am watching a film about Spain, then it makes sense they are speaking Spanish. As they say, body language is 90% of language, so while you don't get the exact feel of what they are saying in the translation you can pick up quite easily what they mean.
Edited by Novalis - October 08 2007 at 03:11
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Finnforest
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Posted: October 07 2007 at 21:30 |
I feel that the Italian Prog would have the same effect since I would have no idea what was being sung.
Rushfan4, certainly I don't think you're racist to answer your question. But you should reconsider this statement after giving 4 or 5 Italian classics a fair dozen spins or so. What you will find is that after you get "used" to the sound of the language, it quickly just becomes another instrument in the band, but a lead instrument. Eventually, it blends with the music and you hear only the quality and the passion of the vocal, you won't care than you can't understand the lyric. I'm a huge Italian fan and I speak only Engish. It's not a problem. In fact, I almost enjoy foreign language music more now because I'm not distracted or hung up on content. I'm enjoying the music and not worrying about the lyrics say.
It will take a little work, yes. You won't love it on your first play. But once you get over the language thing, you open up a whole new world. Any of us sell ourselves short in a big way if we only listen to music in our native language.
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Dean
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Posted: October 07 2007 at 21:23 |
Atavachron wrote:
yes please, RPI in Italian, if only because that's the language/lyric that was fitted to the music.. plus you get that wonderful grand quality
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I agree - you wouldn't want Nessun Dorma sung in any language other than Italian, so why not RPI?
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Dean
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Posted: October 07 2007 at 21:18 |
rushfan4 wrote:
Hi Darqdean:
Do you recall a couple weeks back in a poll regarding the best songwriters Ivan brought up that Peter Sinfield was commissioned to translate a non-English language band's lyrics into English and he completely re-wrote the lyrics. Was this for one of these albums? |
Yes, it was for PFMs Photos of Ghosts and The World Became The World. The 1975 album The Chocolate Kings was also in English, but I cannot remember who wrote the lyrics for that one.
Le Orme's Felona E Sorona was given English lyrics by Peter Hammill (as Felona and Sorona)
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Atavachron
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Posted: October 07 2007 at 21:13 |
yes please, RPI in Italian, if only because that's the language/lyric that was fitted to the music.. plus you get that wonderful grand quality
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