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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: February 19 2009 at 13:09 |
So would the Mona Lisa be a masterpiece? According to your definition here Girls Girls Girls by Motley Crue could be a masterpiece.
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Negoba
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Posted: February 19 2009 at 11:36 |
I'm glad someone came up with the original meaning of the term masterpiece, which is getting confused with the term "Magnum Opus," which an artists ultimate work.
I think masterpiece is generally used to mean a master craftsman creating a work with the peak of their talent. Not all of a master's work is a masterpiece, but a master will likely produce many masterpieces. Artists "knocking at the door" of being masters might produce a work worthy of the title, but a mediocre one is unlikely to even if it is their best work.
Masterpieces can be described as others have done, which is subjective, and what defines a master is subjective as well.
The pieces I rate 5 stars here truly are on a higher level in how they move me in some way. Many are far from flawless, but all transport me, and all tend to retain that ability as years pass.
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: February 19 2009 at 10:12 |
crimson87 wrote:
In your opinion:
- What are the principal atributes a masterpiece must have?
- Do you consider that few albums deserve this label?
- Which is the genre that produces the most of them?
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This sounds like an essay question on a university mid-term. Are we going to be graded on our answers? I haven`t read any of the responses because I don`t want to be acused of cheating by the invigilators. 1. A masterpiece must have depth, ambiguity and above all virtuosity but not necessarily technical virtuosity. It must have atmosphere and elements which draw emotion from the listener. It must inspire more than one listen and with each listen new discoveries come to light. 2. Focus - Hamburger Concerto Omega - Suite Emerson Lake & Palmer - Tarkus Yes - Close To The Edge Jane - Windows Pink Floyd - Echoes Grobschnitt - Solar Music ( I could go on but I have to concentrate on the next question ) 3. After classical music in all it`s eras and forms Art/rock Progressive rock.
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Dervisan
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Posted: February 19 2009 at 06:41 |
if you are a your country's young musicians want to play this albums sound again, and if they cant do this... it is a masterpiece  a masterpiece have to be original and hard to play again....it cant be pretended... spirit .. masterpiece is high point of spirit in a musicians music life...
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npjnpj
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Posted: February 17 2009 at 06:41 |
A lot of the above points are very valid indeed, but I don't think a masterpiece is definable because there is also the subjective factor.
If I associate a wonderful album with a particularly wonderful period of my life, it's bound to have a much more powerful impact than it would have had during a depressive period.
As sad as this may be, this can be a make-or-break point for any album. Quite unfairly, of course, but it's human nature.
This could possibly account somewhat for some wildly differing estimations concerning some ratings here.
But let's not forget the small matter of personal taste, as well. 
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prog4evr
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Posted: February 17 2009 at 04:47 |
DavetheSlave wrote:
About Yes- I personally view Relayer as their masterpiece....I would call Foxtrot and Thick as a Brick masterpiece albums.... |
Spot on!!
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Agadepáuer
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Posted: February 15 2009 at 16:58 |
steve j wrote:
Here's a simple concise definition of a masterpiece -
It has over 4.5 in prog ratings and has been reviewed by over 500 people.
This would mean we have just 8 masterpieces within the archives, seems about right to me! 
You may lower the bar, but then you cannot have too many masterpieces or the definition of a masterpiece fall down. Please feel free to discuss............................ |
I don't think it's a matter of numbers. A masterpiece is no less of a masterpiece if it's surrounded by many other masterpieces or if it's not reviewed enough. Buy yeah, don't lower the bar.
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Agadepáuer
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Posted: February 15 2009 at 16:46 |
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Agadepáuer
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Posted: February 15 2009 at 16:29 |
You know you're gonna feel pleasure and emotion hearing it the next time you listen to it, even if you have listened to it a million times before.
How many are few? I think there's a fair amount of albums I consider masterpieces, but still it's a tiny minority of ALL the albums there are (is that an obvious remark or what?)
Most prolific genre: that depends too much on personal taste; I guess my choice is metal in general, including prog metal (but that's also the kind of music I listen to most, so...).
Edited by Agadepáuer - February 15 2009 at 16:40
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The Pessimist
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Posted: January 05 2009 at 19:38 |
DavetheSlave wrote:
I find that I don't often listen to a masterpiece!!!! I tend to put it away for a "rainy day" and then I find that I don't listen to it often!!!!! |
Why?
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"Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value."
Arnold Schoenberg
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mrgd
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Posted: January 05 2009 at 01:46 |
If you accept what our PA reviewers prescribe, there are just thousands of them out there.......... and do you know what, there aren't .
But I'm probably just a little perverse because I really dislike the term ' Masterpiece ' .
It may just be one of those things that allows non - prog enthusaiasts and our harshest critics to label us..................oh no, my lips can scarcely frame it and my fingers tremble upon my keybbard.....
ppppretentious ! !
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Looking still the same after all these years...
mrgd
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DamoXt7942
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Posted: December 29 2008 at 18:01 |
DavetheSlave wrote:
I find that I don't often listen to a masterpiece!!!! I tend to put it away for a "rainy day" and then I find that I don't listen to it often!!!!! |
Can't help cryin'... 
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DavetheSlave
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Posted: December 29 2008 at 17:25 |
I find that I don't often listen to a masterpiece!!!! I tend to put it away for a "rainy day" and then I find that I don't listen to it often!!!!!
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DamoXt7942
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Posted: December 29 2008 at 17:22 |
Masterpiece I'm always having in my bag.
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steve j
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Posted: December 29 2008 at 15:23 |
Here's a simple concise definition of a masterpiece -
It has over 4.5 in prog ratings and has been reviewed by over 500 people.
This would mean we have just 8 masterpieces within the archives, seems about right to me! 
You may lower the bar, but then you cannot have too many masterpieces or the definition of a masterpiece fall down. Please feel free to discuss............................
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: December 28 2008 at 08:29 |
Masterpiece - a work of art that is capable of appearing to make time stand still for it's duration
If in doubt, if it makes you weep, you're in the ballpark...
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Rivertree
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Posted: December 28 2008 at 07:17 |
Oh what a strange question this is ...  There is no rule, law, authority or what ever who defines what makes up a masterpiece of progressive rock music - it's an individual decision why don't see it like that (somewhat harsh): every band/artist has produced a masterpiece when releasing more than one efforts because one of them is their best.  Okay - I don't vote in this way - but I avoid to give five stars for more than one album which comes from the same artist. On the other hand I give five stars for a band which is quite unknown when I'm sure it's innovative and absolutely nothing lacks
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micky
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Posted: December 28 2008 at 06:40 |
Floydoid wrote:
For me a masterpiece is an album / musical work that has the following attributes:
1) it is much more than the sum of its parts
2) it moves you profoundly
3) you keep going back to it no matter what
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that seems more the attributes of an album/musical work that a listener loves... a masterpiece would seem to more than just that... it is recognized as such... not just by it's fans but by the musical world at large. ie. Dark Side of the Moon. Close to the Edge. Brain Salad Surgery. For cult or niche genres like prog... the masterpieces are those albums which not only appeal to fans of the genre.. but those who don't normally consider themselves fans of the genre. that makes a masterpiece.. a masterpiece.
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Floydoid
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Posted: December 28 2008 at 04:04 |
For me a masterpiece is an album / musical work that has the following attributes:
1) it is much more than the sum of its parts
2) it moves you profoundly
3) you keep going back to it no matter what
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Avantgardehead
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Posted: December 27 2008 at 18:49 |
"Masterpiece" is all up to the individual, so why not ask them?
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