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Kornelyans (Yug) - "Generation 1942", anti-war, Not an Ordinary Life (1974)

Swans' musically very ambitious 34 minutes epic, "Bring the Sun / Toussaint L'Ouverture", may not be quite Prog as I see it, but it surely is very nicely political. It's at least partly about Toussaint Louverture, who was a Haitian general and the most prominent leader of the Haitian Revolution, which began in 1791 and ended in 1804, and was a successful insurrection by self-liberated slaves against French colonial rule in Saint-Domingue, now the sovereign state of Haiti. 
From the album To Be Kind (2014) and here's an excerpt of the lyrics:
Toussaint L'ouverture Liberté! Egalité! Fraternité! Sangre de Dios! Hijo de Dios! Amor de Dios! Sangre es Vida! Vida es Sangre! Sangre es Amor! Amor es Sangre!

And very nice with a bit more US contribution here.

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Procession's splendid Frontiera (1972) is a concept album about immigration, and I'd think of it as quite political, but I can't really say, as I only understand a little of its Italian lyrics.

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Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
To the already rich among us
How long can I pretend that music's more relevant
Than fighting for a socialist world

Someone watching us, knows I'm bad
Black plastic along blue-black wall
Small square of places
Where dead men can look through

Run along and see the prison bar
Throw a stone across an empty road
You and your friend will be found

Outside the daydream
I've woken up to watch you sleep

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One of the French most political Prog (at least partly) musicians/artists in the '70s was probably Richard Pinhas of Heldon fame with for instance one or probably two political songs on Heldon's first album, Electronique Guerilla (1974):
1. "Ballade pour Puig Antich, revolutionnaire assassine en Espagne"
2. "Quais Marchais, Mieux Qu'en 68" 

Pinhas took also the time to study and complete an PhD in philosophy in 1974, and he was associated with some philosophers and writers.

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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Sadly, Johnny passed away a few years ago (2021)....he was very complex, and was very interested in Muammar Muhammad Abu Minyar al-Gaddafi ("The Colonel" as John called him)!   

Okay, when talking about Gaddafi, it's not just about the politics of uprising.

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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Johnny was quite interested in the politics of uprisings....complex guy. 

I don't know him, but I'd say, some guts and pretty much more are needed to be interested in the politics of uprisings. Big smile


Sadly, Johnny passed away a few years ago (2021)....he was very complex, and was very interested in Muammar Muhammad Abu Minyar al-Gaddafi ("The Colonel" as John called him)!   

A very complex & cool personality.....I do miss him and his sense of wit.  RIP Johnny Mandala! 
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Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

‘Years of Lead’
Lead like "Pb" or "leadership"?

the lead of bullets, in those years there was a politically motivated murder every week (the victims were politicians, policemen, judges on one side, students in a procession on the other, or right-wing militants and left-wing militants shooting at each other)
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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

‘Years of Lead’
Lead like "Pb" or "leadership"?
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On Area's first album, Arbeit Macht Frei, the inside cover photo depicts the musicians with some symbols, a Palestinian keffiyeh, a gun, and a scythe with a hammer. Palestine + armed struggle + communism. The first song, whose title is "July, August, September (Black)" mentions the Arab terrorist movement called ‘Black September’, born in 1970. The lyrics of the song, in the first person, seem to be sung from the point of view of a Palestinian who says he has to make war against humanity because of his reality of suffering (The intro, said to be recorded in a Cairo mosque, was instead produced by Area)

Lyrics: (English translation) Intro (Arabs) My love With peace, with peace I have placed Loving flowers at your feet With peace, with peace I stopped the seas of blood for you Forget anger Forget pain Forget your weapons Forget your weapons and come Come and live Come and live with me my love Under a blanket of peace I want you to sing, beloved light of my eyes And your song will be for peace let the world hear, my beloved and say (to the world): Forget anger Forget pain Forget your weapons Forget your weapons and come And live in peace Second part (Italian) Playing with the world, leaving it in pieces Children that the sun has reduced to old age. It's not my fault if your reality forces me to fight your conspiracy of silence. Maybe one day we will know what it means to drown in blood with humanity. Discoloured people, almost all the same my anger reads above the news. Reads into the past all my pain sings my people that don't want to die. When you see the world without problems seek the essence of all things. It's not my fault if your reality forces me to make WAR AGAINST HUMANITY.




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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Antoni Antoni wrote:

Hawkwind would have probably easily fit in that milieu. Not only did the legendary space rockers hold countless free gigs, especially in the early 1970s, but the lyrics of their 1972 song "Urban Guerrilla" stand up overtly for street riots and bomb-making.

Okay, these lyrics are much more heavy stuff than I could imagine to find in Prog, and it can be told that the song was released in 1976 on the compilation album Roadhawks

Hawkwind recorded "Urban Guerilla" in late 1972, and the song was originally released as a single in the UK in July 1973 with "Brainbox Pollution" as the B-side, reaching No.39 on the UK singles chart. "Urban Guerilla" can be found on the remastered version of "Doremi Fasol Latido" as well.
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Originally posted by Antoni Antoni wrote:

Hawkwind would have probably easily fit in that milieu. Not only did the legendary space rockers hold countless free gigs, especially in the early 1970s, but the lyrics of their 1972 song "Urban Guerrilla" stand up overtly for street riots and bomb-making.

Okay, these lyrics are much more heavy stuff than I could imagine to find in Prog, and it can be told that the song was released in 1976 on the compilation album Roadhawks

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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:


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When Gentle Giant came to do a concert in Italy, some journalists asked if they would play for free. They were astonished, but replied (like good Englishmen) in a very polite way. 

Why did they ask that question?

Because the left-wing movement that gave concerts with singer-songwriters (Guccini, De André, Branduardi, Bennato, Dalla etc.) or prog groups demanded ‘proletarian prices’ for concerts or even free concerts.

Many authors of the Cramps edition (to which Area belonged), like Eugenio Finardi, often gave free concerts.

Some singer-songwriters who had high ticket prices were highly contested, including throwing objects on stage.
Hawkwind would have probably easily fit in that milieu. Not only did the legendary space rockers hold countless free gigs, especially in the early 1970s, but the lyrics of their 1972 song "Urban Guerrilla" stand up overtly for street riots and bomb-making.


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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:


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When Gentle Giant came to do a concert in Italy, some journalists asked if they would play for free. They were astonished, but replied (like good Englishmen) in a very polite way. 

Why did they ask that question?

Because the left-wing movement that gave concerts with singer-songwriters (Guccini, De André, Branduardi, Bennato, Dalla etc.) or prog groups demanded ‘proletarian prices’ for concerts or even free concerts.

Many authors of the Cramps edition (to which Area belonged), like Eugenio Finardi, often gave free concerts.

Some singer-songwriters who had high ticket prices were highly contested, including throwing objects on stage.
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While Ange is primarily known for their symphonic prog-rock sound and their poetry inspired by medieval texts, they did incorporate elements of political commentary into some of their songs. 
The lyrics of these two songs, although not overtly political, could be a commentary on social injustice and rebellion against tyranny.

Les Longues Nuits d'Isaac ("The Long Nights of Isaac")



English translation

Blood of your fathers, adultery in anger!
Tie your earth to the flesh of your fingers!
Blood of your fathers, adultery in anger!
Get your land out of the false king's greenhouse!
Oh, night! You who envelop me in your cloth on a silver night
Oh, night! You who take me away from the gaping craters
Oh, night! You who dream of me on a ruby paper strike
Oh, night! You are the one who forces me to remember the last cry.
Have you seen the man in the pointed hat who weaves with his eyes the universal weft?
Oh, night! Tell me who I am under your scarf of truth.
Oh, night! Tell me who I am before you leave.
Oh, night! Tell me, I dream about a ruby-paper strike.
Oh, night! Tell me, can I finally let go of this latest scream?
Blood of your fathers, adultery in anger!
Tie your earth to the flesh of your fingers!
Blood of your fathers, adultery in anger!
Get your land out of the false king's greenhouse!



Par les Fils de Mandrin ("By the Sons of Mandrin")


English translation

A mop of hair in the forest
On starry eyes
The law is affecting our destiny!
The switchblade breast
Under a naughty smile
We are highwaymen!
Faces in a cathedral
On bohemian feet;
Maître Larcin's fanfare
Who until the last rattle
The stomach in Lent
Load those who are hungry with crowns!
Hey ! Take care of your head.
So pretty heart smells petty...
Then your celebration would come.
I swear! By the sons of Mandrin!
To live on a hunt
To make a living from fishing
Little morning poachers!
It's never too late to strike iron.
I swear! By the sons of Mandrin!
I swear! By the sons of Mandrin!
I swear! By the sons of Mandrin!



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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Johnny was quite interested in the politics of uprisings....complex guy. 

I don't know him, but I'd say, some guts and pretty much more are needed to be interested in the politics of uprisings. Big smile

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Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Niemen Aerolit (PL) - "Pielgrzym", criticizing racism in regard to nomadic people, Niemen Aerolit (1975
I don't think it's about racism. It's rather more about a certain prejudice against those who value their traditionalist ideologies over whatever the general crowd perceives as more "down to earth".

But okay, I can see something like that as a possible interpretation too, on a deeper level.

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The Brand X master-work song "Cambodia," written by the late John Goodsall, has many political overtones.  Johnny was quite interested in the politics of uprisings....complex guy. 




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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:


Prog has definitely had different faces, but not least being visionary and political (broadly defined), of which the Italian scene I guess has been one of the most prominent:

Banco del Mutuo Soccorso - “Canto Nomade per un Prigioniero Politico" (Nomad Song for a Political Prisoner)inspired by the Chilean coup d’état in 1973 and from the album Io Sono Nato Libero (1973)

Edit:
About definition of political, I can say:

To me, a good definition of political (in the broadest meaning) is the one concerning everything about organization and functioning of societies on all levels, the way societies act towards each other, how all human life affects the environments, and of course very much 
about all the acting of people in regard to all this. 

Prog music in Italy developed during what have been called the ‘Years of Lead’ (the 1970s). The European movement, especially the French and Italian 1968, coincided in Italy with a series of state massacres. I say "State massacres" because the secret services were always involved (in fact, it was "black terrorism"). In 1969, for example, there was the most famous Italian state massacre, which triggered the extra-parliamentary left-wing movements that later partly led to red terrorism. The last great state massacre took place in 1980-

So 1969-1980 is the time span of the ‘anni di piombo’ and coincides with the prog years.

During this period, the extra-parliamentary left-wing movement gave rise to a series of political practices that were assimilated by prog music: Area, PFM, Banco and Stormy Six were politically aligned and militant groups - and also other lesser-known ones. As I have already explained, Museo Rosenbach, as a group, broke up immediately after their debut  also because of the protests due to the image of Mussolini on the cover of Zartahustra album. The Orme were opposed at prog gatherings because they were openly Catholic.

Consider that in Italy there was a structure, called Gladio, and a Masonic lodge, called Propaganda2, which depended directly on the US, whose aim was to prevent the Communist Party from going into government. These structures were de facto subversive and contained politicians and generals and secret service agents. In 1974 in Italy there were two fascist massacres (but always with the help of the secret services) that were intended to be the prelude to a right-wing coup d'état.

Also in those years, in Italy, there were two epoch-making referendums: the one for abortion and the one for divorce, which saw the victory of the left.


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Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Niemen Aerolit (PL) - "Pielgrzym", criticizing racism in regard to nomadic people, Niemen Aerolit (1975
I don't think it's about racism. It's rather more about a certain prejudice against those who value their traditionalist ideologies over whatever the general crowd perceives as more "down to earth".

It may be a question of racism definition, but I definitely see the lyrics/song as concerning the way of life of nomadic people and the differences when compared to the usual European/Western one. But okay, it's maybe better to be more cautious with using the racism term here.

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