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David_D ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 26 2010 Location: Copenhagen Status: Offline Points: 15735 |
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Kornelyans (Yug) - "Generation 1942", anti-war, Not an Ordinary Life (1974) Swans' musically very ambitious 34 minutes epic, "Bring the Sun / Toussaint L'Ouverture", may not be quite Prog as I see it, but it surely is very nicely political. It's at least partly about Toussaint Louverture, who was a Haitian general and the most prominent leader of the Haitian Revolution, which began in 1791 and ended in 1804, and was a successful insurrection by self-liberated slaves against French colonial rule in Saint-Domingue, now the sovereign state of Haiti. From the album To Be Kind (2014) and here's an excerpt of the lyrics: Toussaint L'ouverture Liberté! Egalité! And very nice with a bit more US contribution here. |
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David_D ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 26 2010 Location: Copenhagen Status: Offline Points: 15735 |
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Procession's splendid Frontiera (1972) is a concept album about immigration, and I'd think of it as quite political, but I can't really say, as I only understand a little of its Italian lyrics. What would you say, Lorenzo? |
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Mystique ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 27 2024 Location: Santorini Status: Offline Points: 173 |
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Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute To the already rich among us How long can I pretend that music's more relevant Than fighting for a socialist world Someone watching us, knows I'm bad Black plastic along blue-black wall Small square of places Where dead men can look through Run along and see the prison bar Throw a stone across an empty road You and your friend will be found Outside the daydream I've woken up to watch you sleep Gloria Gloom by Henry Cow |
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David_D ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 26 2010 Location: Copenhagen Status: Offline Points: 15735 |
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One of the French most political Prog (at least partly) musicians/artists in the '70s was probably Richard Pinhas of Heldon fame with for instance one or probably two political songs on Heldon's first album, Electronique Guerilla (1974): 1. "Ballade pour Puig Antich, revolutionnaire assassine en Espagne" 2. "Quais Marchais, Mieux Qu'en 68" Pinhas took also the time to study and complete an PhD in philosophy in 1974, and he was associated with some philosophers and writers. |
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David_D ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 26 2010 Location: Copenhagen Status: Offline Points: 15735 |
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Okay, when talking about Gaddafi, it's not just about the politics of uprising. |
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cstack3 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: July 20 2009 Location: Tucson, AZ USA Status: Offline Points: 7493 |
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Sadly, Johnny passed away a few years ago (2021)....he was very complex, and was very interested in Muammar Muhammad Abu Minyar al-Gaddafi ("The Colonel" as John called him)! A very complex & cool personality.....I do miss him and his sense of wit. RIP Johnny Mandala!
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jamesbaldwin ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: September 25 2015 Location: Milano Status: Offline Points: 6052 |
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the lead of bullets, in those years there was a politically motivated murder every week (the victims were politicians, policemen, judges on one side, students in a procession on the other, or right-wing militants and left-wing militants shooting at each other)
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Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion.
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jamesbaldwin ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: September 25 2015 Location: Milano Status: Offline Points: 6052 |
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![]() On Area's first album, Arbeit Macht Frei, the inside cover photo depicts the musicians with some symbols, a Palestinian keffiyeh, a gun, and a scythe with a hammer.
Palestine + armed struggle + communism.
The first song, whose title is
"July, August, September (Black)"
mentions the Arab terrorist movement called ‘Black September’, born in 1970.
The lyrics of the song, in the first person, seem to be sung from the point of view of a Palestinian who says he has to make war against humanity because of his reality of suffering
(The intro, said to be recorded in a Cairo mosque, was instead produced by Area) Edited by jamesbaldwin - July 17 2024 at 15:59 |
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Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion.
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David_D ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 26 2010 Location: Copenhagen Status: Offline Points: 15735 |
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Okay, these lyrics are much more heavy stuff than I could imagine to find in Prog, and it can be told that the song was released in 1976 on the compilation album Roadhawks. |
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jamesbaldwin ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: September 25 2015 Location: Milano Status: Offline Points: 6052 |
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When Gentle Giant came to do a concert in Italy, some journalists asked if they would play for free. They were astonished, but replied (like good Englishmen) in a very polite way. Why did they ask that question? Because the left-wing movement that gave concerts with singer-songwriters (Guccini, De André, Branduardi, Bennato, Dalla etc.) or prog groups demanded ‘proletarian prices’ for concerts or even free concerts. Many authors of the Cramps edition (to which Area belonged), like Eugenio Finardi, often gave free concerts. Some singer-songwriters who had high ticket prices were highly contested, including throwing objects on stage. |
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Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion.
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While Ange is primarily known for their symphonic prog-rock sound and their poetry inspired by medieval texts, they did incorporate elements of political commentary into some of their songs. The lyrics of these two songs, although not overtly political, could be a commentary on social injustice and rebellion against tyranny. Les Longues Nuits d'Isaac ("The Long Nights of Isaac") English translation Blood of your fathers, adultery in anger! Tie your earth to the flesh of your fingers! Blood of your fathers, adultery in anger! Get your land out of the false king's greenhouse! Oh, night! You who envelop me in your cloth on a silver night Oh, night! You who take me away from the gaping craters Oh, night! You who dream of me on a ruby paper strike Oh, night! You are the one who forces me to remember the last cry. Have you seen the man in the pointed hat who weaves with his eyes the universal weft? Oh, night! Tell me who I am under your scarf of truth. Oh, night! Tell me who I am before you leave. Oh, night! Tell me, I dream about a ruby-paper strike. Oh, night! Tell me, can I finally let go of this latest scream? Blood of your fathers, adultery in anger! Tie your earth to the flesh of your fingers! Blood of your fathers, adultery in anger! Get your land out of the false king's greenhouse! Par les Fils de Mandrin ("By the Sons of Mandrin") English translation A mop of hair in the forest On starry eyes The law is affecting our destiny! The switchblade breast Under a naughty smile We are highwaymen! Faces in a cathedral On bohemian feet; Maître Larcin's fanfare Who until the last rattle The stomach in Lent Load those who are hungry with crowns! Hey ! Take care of your head. So pretty heart smells petty... Then your celebration would come. I swear! By the sons of Mandrin! To live on a hunt To make a living from fishing Little morning poachers! It's never too late to strike iron. I swear! By the sons of Mandrin! I swear! By the sons of Mandrin! I swear! By the sons of Mandrin! |
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David_D ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 26 2010 Location: Copenhagen Status: Offline Points: 15735 |
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I don't know him, but I'd say, some guts and pretty much more are needed to be interested in the politics of uprisings. ![]() |
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David_D ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 26 2010 Location: Copenhagen Status: Offline Points: 15735 |
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But okay, I can see something like that as a possible interpretation too, on a deeper level. |
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cstack3 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: July 20 2009 Location: Tucson, AZ USA Status: Offline Points: 7493 |
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The Brand X master-work song "Cambodia," written by the late John Goodsall, has many political overtones. Johnny was quite interested in the politics of uprisings....complex guy.
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jamesbaldwin ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: September 25 2015 Location: Milano Status: Offline Points: 6052 |
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Prog music in Italy developed during what have been called the ‘Years of Lead’ (the 1970s). The European movement, especially the French and Italian 1968, coincided in Italy with a series of state massacres. I say "State massacres" because the secret services were always involved (in fact, it was "black terrorism"). In 1969, for example, there was the most famous Italian state massacre, which triggered the extra-parliamentary left-wing movements that later partly led to red terrorism. The last great state massacre took place in 1980- So 1969-1980 is the time span of the ‘anni di piombo’ and coincides with the prog years. During this period, the extra-parliamentary left-wing movement gave rise to a series of political practices that were assimilated by prog music: Area, PFM, Banco and Stormy Six were politically aligned and militant groups - and also other lesser-known ones. As I have already explained, Museo Rosenbach, as a group, broke up immediately after their debut also because of the protests due to the image of Mussolini on the cover of Zartahustra album. The Orme were opposed at prog gatherings because they were openly Catholic. Consider that in Italy there was a structure, called Gladio, and a Masonic lodge, called Propaganda2, which depended directly on the US, whose aim was to prevent the Communist Party from going into government. These structures were de facto subversive and contained politicians and generals and secret service agents. In 1974 in Italy there were two fascist massacres (but always with the help of the secret services) that were intended to be the prelude to a right-wing coup d'état. Also in those years, in Italy, there were two epoch-making referendums: the one for abortion and the one for divorce, which saw the victory of the left. |
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Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion.
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David_D ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 26 2010 Location: Copenhagen Status: Offline Points: 15735 |
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It may be a question of racism definition, but I definitely see the lyrics/song as concerning the way of life of nomadic people and the differences when compared to the usual European/Western one. But okay, it's maybe better to be more cautious with using the racism term here. |
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