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King of Loss 
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 Posted: January 10 2014 at 11:57 |
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No, Mr. Cracknell, that was just a simple analogy about how the lack of apology that our governments are giving us about stealing our information to killing our privacy and our freedoms that fine English noblemen have obtained for us (even around the world) that started with the enshrinement of the (Magna Carta). Deepest apologies for the miscomprehension of what I had typed there, but I have been looking up information on this NSA program online over my Holiday break.
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timothy leary
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Posted: January 10 2014 at 10:43 |
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http://www.ploom.com/pax
I don't own one I am old school
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Dean
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Posted: January 10 2014 at 10:40 |
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pax?
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timothy leary
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Posted: January 10 2014 at 10:38 |
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Yeah you are right
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Dean
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Posted: January 10 2014 at 10:31 |
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*sigh*
"follow on" =/= "response"
Life need not be this effing difficult.
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timothy leary
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Posted: January 10 2014 at 10:27 |
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This does not look like a response to a post about Iceland.
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Dean
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Posted: January 10 2014 at 02:28 |
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It was never intended to be. The discussion had moved on. Teo raised a point about Iceland, I followed on. How difficult is this to understand? Your initial post was on the previous page, some 20 effing posts back, I was not posting in direct response to your comment. Earlier than that you bemoaned that no attention was given to preventing the loss of life, understanding how that works in other countries perhaps offers insights into how that is possible. But what the hell do I care - all killings are bad.
What!?!?! They've killed Snowden!? Man, they kept that quiet, typical government cover-up.
Nope of course they are not. The figures are for all deaths caused by police officers including those by night-stick, automobile accident, rubberised police radio etc. Other countries have permanently armed police forces and their death rates are significantly lower. What I find a little disconcerting is this implication that there is a cult of brutality within police forces. |
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The T
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Posted: January 10 2014 at 00:04 |
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Is the cult of guns related to the cult of cops?
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King of Loss
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Posted: January 09 2014 at 23:05 |
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Rather humane of them.. Something the governments of the US and the UK have failed to do with the whole… Snow…den… incident
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timothy leary
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Posted: January 09 2014 at 17:57 |
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Using frequency for perspective I am sure is reassuring to the families of victims of police brutality
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Dean
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Posted: January 09 2014 at 17:43 |
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No, I made a comparison between two radically different approaches to armed policing. Your initial post was the spark, the discussion moved on, but if that's your attitude then all I can say is guns=bad and killing = bad and that's about the full extent of my interest here.
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timothy leary
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Posted: January 09 2014 at 16:56 |
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So now we turn it in to a pissing match between the U.S. and the U.K........not the reason for my initial post
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akamaisondufromage
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Posted: January 09 2014 at 16:39 |
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At least someone being killed by the police not only makes the news here, but, its headline news and apparently makes the news in the States too!
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Dean
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Posted: January 09 2014 at 16:32 |
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A little perspective is needed here I think.
Number of people killed by US police officers in 2011 - unknown, but average annual "justifiable homicides" is 400 (in 2012 it was 587) Number of people killed by UK police officers in 2011 - one (number killed in 2013 - zero) As a result of the Mark Duggan inquiry UK all armed police are to use body cameras from August of this year.
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akamaisondufromage
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Posted: January 09 2014 at 15:15 |
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Ah well. Maybe you should have made the decision.
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The T
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Posted: January 09 2014 at 15:14 |
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Meanwhile in Iceland the police finally killed someone after like... ever, and they even APOLOGIZED to the family...
I know Iceland has like 10 people but still...
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: January 09 2014 at 15:05 |
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I wasn't talking to you. My comment to you still stands. I'm aware of the jury's poor decision in Duggan's case.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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akamaisondufromage
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Posted: January 09 2014 at 15:00 |
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NO. You are of course right. The officer concerned had decided at the time that he was guilty and didn't deserve a trial so he took the law into his own hands and executed Mr Duggan. |
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timothy leary
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Posted: January 09 2014 at 14:56 |
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Not a problem I think we both would like to see justice.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: January 09 2014 at 14:49 |
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Hmm. You're right. I'm sorry. I thought I had already read about this happening.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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