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Poll Question: Which is your favourite album?
Poll Choice Votes Poll Statistics
1 [1.06%]
17 [18.09%]
4 [4.26%]
2 [2.13%]
3 [3.19%]
9 [9.57%]
6 [6.38%]
0 [0.00%]
4 [4.26%]
1 [1.06%]
3 [3.19%]
4 [4.26%]
0 [0.00%]
1 [1.06%]
5 [5.32%]
17 [18.09%]
3 [3.19%]
1 [1.06%]
3 [3.19%]
1 [1.06%]
4 [4.26%]
2 [2.13%]
0 [0.00%]
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2 [2.13%]
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

That's certainly true in the case of the Cardiacs debut - I'll give it a "ten" for originality, as it sounds like no other album I've heard before, but I can only give the album a "one" for replayability as I never want to hear it again. Confused 
 
Which album did you listen to? The album listed in this poll is actually their fourth album according to PA.
 
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Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by Rick1 Rick1 wrote:

Well, going back to this poll, 'Opeless managed one vote thus beating genuinely progressive bands such as Thinking Plague, Guapo and Swans.  Not an original thought in their heads - not progressive as such but conservative - 'con rock'

Originality is clearly not a requirement for people to like something, though. 

That's certainly true in the case of the Cardiacs debut - I'll give it a "ten" for originality, as it sounds like no other album I've heard before, but I can only give the album a "one" for replayability as I never want to hear it again. Confused 
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Originality is clearly not a requirement for people to like something,

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Originally posted by Rick1 Rick1 wrote:

Well, going back to this poll, 'Opeless managed one vote thus beating genuinely progressive bands such as Thinking Plague, Guapo and Swans.  Not an original thought in their heads - not progressive as such but conservative - 'con rock'

Originality is clearly not a requirement for people to like something, though. Änglagård have less original thought in their music than Opeth, but as per this poll, people love them.

I couldn’t really choose between a few albums here, so rolled a die, and it came up Present.
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I realise that I didn't vote in this poll. I voted for Present's Triskaidekaphobie over Thinking Plague's debut (my faves by TP are I think Moonsongs and Is This the Life? but I like the debut too) and Cardiacs' A Little Man and a House and the Whole World Window (which I don't count as the debut anyway). I love later Guapo albums, but don't have the debut. Swans has been my favourite bands of late overall, but I am into the Children of God and up ones (although I do like earlier music).

As for Opeth, I think Paul might like the more recent albums which do seem pretty derivative and retro to my ears. That said, I'm more of a heard a smattering of Opeth than full albums generally cause I haven't been a fan.
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Originally posted by Rick1 Rick1 wrote:

Well, going back to this poll, 'Opeless managed one vote thus beating genuinely progressive bands such as Thinking Plague, Guapo and Swans.  Not an original thought in their heads - not progressive as such but conservative - 'con rock'

not an original thought? Really? Because what Opeth did in the 90s was quite unique. I get that you don't like what they did, but calling them unoriginal for what they did in the 90s is just wrong. 
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Well, going back to this poll, 'Opeless managed one vote thus beating genuinely progressive bands such as Thinking Plague, Guapo and Swans.  Not an original thought in their heads - not progressive as such but conservative - 'con rock'
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Rick1 Rick1 wrote:

^ I think Opeth are 'Opeless but I never mention it... that said, I have least since them live and suspended judgement until then.


You've got me wondering now which one of Opeth's albums is their magnum 'opeless and the one to avoid at all costs. Ermm


you've been explained three times already, by a couple of users here which Opeth albums to listen to, but I guess you're not paying much attention... Ermm


I haven't read through very much of this thread, and so the same points may have been made already but the zenith and nadir of Opeth's music will depend on the listener (Paul, your preferences are often quite atypical here and more mainstream and pop-rock oriented than many it seems). Opeth's later period music (say from Heritage up) would be a disappointment to many who preferred the earlier music. It become more retro, more hard and psychedelic rock than the earlier more metal and death metal music.   One can find similarities to Jethro Tull, and various classic Prog bands.

For instance, this has a Jethro Tull sound:



I like the folk rock aspects, but then I can say that for a lot of Opeth's music, although I wouldn't think that you would like that Comus' First Utterance as an influence, so much so that lyrics were quoted for one of the albums. This is one band that I think you would be better off working backwards (I know that isn't the way you roll) or starting with Heritage and working your way forward in time, and then go backwards with the discography from Heritage than your usual discography route. I find Pale Communion enjoyable, but for a different listener, this would be part of the "lame" era.

I think you might like this as an example (it would lack the aggression and darkness that some liked with Opeth music):



The debut would be weak to you I think.



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Originally posted by Rick1 Rick1 wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Rick1 Rick1 wrote:

^ I think Opeth are 'Opeless but I never mention it... that said, I have least since them live and suspended judgement until then.

You've got me wondering now which one of Opeth's albums is their magnum 'opeless and the one to avoid at all costs. Ermm

you've been explained three times already, by a couple of users here which Opeth albums to listen to, but I guess you're not paying much attention... Ermm

Not many were paying attention to them when I saw them!  Lol!

Not at all what I meant. 

You've become that user that instantly complains when seeing Opeth mentioned, your new fixation it seems. You can stop, everyone already knows how much you hate Opeth. 
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Rick1 Rick1 wrote:

^ I think Opeth are 'Opeless but I never mention it... that said, I have least since them live and suspended judgement until then.

You've got me wondering now which one of Opeth's albums is their magnum 'opeless and the one to avoid at all costs. Ermm

you've been explained three times already, by a couple of users here which Opeth albums to listen to, but I guess you're not paying much attention... Ermm

Not many were paying attention to them when I saw them!  Lol!
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Rick1 Rick1 wrote:

^ I think Opeth are 'Opeless but I never mention it... that said, I have least since them live and suspended judgement until then.

You've got me wondering now which one of Opeth's albums is their magnum 'opeless and the one to avoid at all costs. Ermm

you've been explained three times already, by a couple of users here which Opeth albums to listen to, but I guess you're not paying much attention... Ermm
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Originally posted by Rick1 Rick1 wrote:

^ I think Opeth are 'Opeless but I never mention it... that said, I have least since them live and suspended judgement until then.

You've got me wondering now which one of Opeth's albums is their magnum 'opeless and the one to avoid at all costs. Ermm
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

.... it doesn't bode well for me liking the other three Avant Prog bands in the poll either:- Guapo; Swans & Thinking Plague. 

Ookaay, that's more than I can say - even I like an album with Univers Zero (Clivages), and wouldn't mind to find some more that I could be fond of. Big smile
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And if we talk about Zeuhl, that's something else.


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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Well, I didn't ignore Therion in the end, because I followed yours and Logan's wise advice and kept them in the poll. Like I said, common sense prevailed. Thumbs Up

I got that, but go and listen to the albums that fit in the symphonic metal genre. 
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

^ Yes, I did like the Therion song Logan posted, which is one of the reasons I decided it's well-worth keeping them in the Symphonic Metal poll. It gives me something to look forward to when I eventually get around to listening to Therion's Vovin album in full. Thumbs Up
 
Ideally, I'd like to have replaced Therion in the poll with Ayreon, but that would be a case of my heart overruling my head. Common sense prevailed in the end. Tongue

Therion were the main creators of the genre, ignoring them would make NO sense. It's like talking about symphonic prog but ignore Yes or Genesis. 
Well, I didn't ignore Therion in the end, because I followed yours and Logan's wise advice and kept them in the poll. Like I said, common sense prevailed. Thumbs Up


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While we're on the subject of Ayreon, here's their first awesome album. I still can't help feeling Ayreon fully deserved to be included in this poll, but that will forever remain an Actual Fantasy.  Confused
 
 
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

^ Yes, I did like the Therion song Logan posted, which is one of the reasons I decided it's well-worth keeping them in the Symphonic Metal poll. It gives me something to look forward to when I eventually get around to listening to Therion's Vovin album in full. Thumbs Up
 
Ideally, I'd like to have replaced Therion in the poll with Ayreon, but that would be a case of my heart overruling my head. Common sense prevailed in the end. Tongue

Therion were the main creators of the genre, ignoring them would make NO sense. It's like talking about symphonic prog but ignore Yes or Genesis. 
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