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"Big 6" Major Omissions! Gentle Giant vs. Camel

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    Posted: August 06 2022 at 06:41
Camel. From what I've heard of GG I haven't been able to get into them - and this is despite my favourite prog artist, Neal Morse, citing them as a major influence.
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Originally posted by TexasKing TexasKing wrote:

Originally posted by Sacro_Porgo Sacro_Porgo wrote:

Two bands that seem unrightfully forgotten about when talking about the biggest and best of the biggest and best prog bands, especially the "big 6": Floyd, ELP, KC, Genesis, Yes, and Tull.


Ain't Rush among the Big 6?



Personally, there's only one band from the "official' big six that makes my top 5, and Rush beats them by a couple spots for me. But, as has been mentioned before, the "official" six are these bands:

Pink Floyd
Yes
Jethro Tull
King Crimson
Genesis
Emerson, Lake, And Palmer

I think that's roughly in order of when their debuts came out.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote richardh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 03 2022 at 14:46
Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

I would say Van der Graaf Generator also. Out of these two, though, probably Camel but not by a whole lot. Both are in my top ten probably.

Which are the big 6?

Arent VdGG included?

nope 

Pink Floyd
King Crimson
Jethro Tull
ELP
Yes
Genesis

based on album sales and influence it seems entirely correct. Arguably you can add Camel, Marillion, Dream Theater and of course Rush to make a big ten. I respect VDGG immensely and undoubtedly Pawn Hearts is one of the greatest prog albums, but they never made a big mark enough. I do think popularity should be considered. Camel actually shifted a good number of units. For the same reason as VDGG , I don't think Gentle Giant can be included either. They will just have to be satisfied with creating a new style of classical music and maybe in 100 years that will get the appreciation they deserve Smile
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1-  Yes
2- Genesis
3- Gentle Giant
4- King Crimson
5-  ELP
6- a battle between Magma and VDGG

Camal should make it in my top 20, i think..
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jamesbaldwin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 01 2022 at 07:03
Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

I would say Van der Graaf Generator also. Out of these two, though, probably Camel but not by a whole lot. Both are in my top ten probably.

Which are the big 6?

Arent VdGG included?
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I think Camel aren't considered together with the big six because their debut came in 1974 when the big six where already active since years.
Nowadays, I'd put them with the bigs together with GG and Renaissance, but the "six" where big also in terms of sales. These three bands never sold like Yes, Genesis and Pink Floyd.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dellinger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2022 at 21:47
In my mind,there are the Big Six, and then there are the next four, being Camel, Gentle Giant, Van Der Graaf Generator, and Renaissance. Of course, there are more bands from certain subgenres I don't really know very well yet, but that by reputation I think might be considered in some list of the sort, like The Strawbs, Hawkwind, Caravan, and I am surely forgetting/missing some other.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote CosmicVibration Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2022 at 19:18
easy choice... one belongs in the top 6 and the other doesn't.

Gentle Giant top 5
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I would say Van der Graaf Generator also. Out of these two, though, probably Camel but not by a whole lot. Both are in my top ten probably.
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Camel in the Big Six first tier and Gentle Giant in the third tier. Big smile
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Gentle Giant

I don't like Camel.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote suitkees Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2022 at 12:32
Neither...
If there had to be a candidate for the Big Six, it should be VDGG (instead of JT). But I'm happy with the Big Six as they are.

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I like both but Camel is ahead
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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Camel, and at the risk of giving Jethro Tull fans the hump, I think Camel should replace them in the currently recognised "Big Six":-

Emerson, Lake & Palmer
Genesis
Jethro Tull
King Crimson
Pink Floyd
YES


Strictly tier 2

Funnily enough, I have more albums by Jethro Tull (10) than by Camel (9). Big smile
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Camel, and at the risk of giving Jethro Tull fans the hump, I think Camel should replace them in the currently recognised "Big Six":-

Emerson, Lake & Palmer
Genesis
Jethro Tull
King Crimson
Pink Floyd
YES


Strictly tier 2
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Camel, and at the risk of giving Jethro Tull fans the hump, I think Camel should replace them in the currently recognised "Big Six":-

Emerson, Lake & Palmer
Genesis
Jethro Tull
King Crimson
Pink Floyd
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote TexasKing Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2022 at 12:08
Originally posted by Sacro_Porgo Sacro_Porgo wrote:

Two bands that seem unrightfully forgotten about when talking about the biggest and best of the biggest and best prog bands, especially the "big 6": Floyd, ELP, KC, Genesis, Yes, and Tull.


Ain't Rush among the Big 6?


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Gentle Giant (VDGG)
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