Are proghead nerds?

Saperlipopette! wrote: Faul_McCartney wrote: I would agree with that except for the website that we're on. The star system is explicitly about how you would rate music as prog. That has always been an annoying prognerd feature on PA that should be removed. I don't rate here because of that approach, and that my rating or review isn't valuded anyway. -Gnik Nosmirk: Coincidentally ELO's Time has been favorite of mine basically all of my life. Ever since I pulled the LP out of my parents record collection as a child - and found the cover art intriguing. I've actually rated it with five stars at RYM. I find it perfect at what it is. An insanely catchy "pop opera" in space (I do find it somewhat progressive too). And of course it would get the exact same rating here if I had bothered. The bands and their music are not to blame for all of PA's badly thought through decicions made back in the day. Time would have gotten five stars at JazzMusicArchives for that matter.

OK, fair enough that the ratings description in PA are perfectible enough (who actually rates that way anyways? ProgDorks and Symph Weenies ??).
But I imagine that the Metal Music Archives are also as "skewed" as a metal-dom scale.
It's a problem that RYM doesn't face since it's a totally open ballgame.

And indeed both prog and to a lesser extent metal were indeed like sects back when the sites were created in 2004, though MMA was born somewhat much later than PA (>> 2010, maybe?)

As for Jazz MA, I guess it was more adult setting though I haven't got a memory about the ratings go up according to some possible "jazz scale".





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Edited by Sean Trane - June 08 2025 at 04:02

Not inherently, but I feel like the overlap is significant enough the answer might as well be yes. As others have said, it also depends what you consider to be "nerdy".

Gnik Nosmirc wrote: I have to admit though, it really frustrates me when I read reviews on ProgArchives that criticize albums simply because they aren't fully progressive. Albums like ELO's Time or Secret Messages are incredible synth-pop works, yet they get one or two stars just because they don't fit neatly into the prog mold. That kind of narrow-mindedness misses the point — you should evaluate an album for what it is, not what it isn't. Judging Time as a progressive rock album is like dismissing a Charli XCX album for not sounding like John Coltrane. It's unfair and ultimately unhelpful.

I would agree with that except for the website that we're on. The star system is explicitly about how you would rate music as prog. The "Prog-Related" and "Proto-prog" ratings are not held to that condition, which is fair enough. I do think a lot in "Crossover", like ELO, should really be in "Related" and not be subject to the same rating.

The Dark Elf wrote: Logan wrote: The Dark Elf wrote: Logan wrote: I have been quite annoyed with certain "nerdy" "Prog traditionalists" who act like you are mentally deficient or deranged if you don't mention various big names in topics where such names could be relevant as well as people who complain about names getting mentioned in topics that are not so traditionally Prog or typically prog genre. Greg, I do that just to annoy you, knowing that you are indeed an obscurantist, and find actual good albums to be anathema. But find a recording of a Zeuhl duck clucking along in some exotic Anseriforme dialect accompanied by a mellotron? You are there!*** ***No Logans were actually harmed in the making of this post. Ẁurdah waterfowl... I basically see myself as Dï Destruktïẁ Duk Kommandöh. Yes, please notice I indicated the duck was clucking. A duck quacking would be way too mainstream.

One does not need to be a clucking genius to notice that.   

The Dark Elf wrote: Logan wrote: I have been quite annoyed with certain "nerdy" "Prog traditionalists" who act like you are mentally deficient or deranged if you don't mention various big names in topics where such names could be relevant as well as people who complain about names getting mentioned in topics that are not so traditionally Prog or typically prog genre. Greg, I do that just to annoy you, knowing that you are indeed an obscurantist, and find actual good albums to be anathema. But find a recording of a Zeuhl duck clucking along in some exotic Anseriforme dialect accompanied by a mellotron? You are there!*** ***No Logans were actually harmed in the making of this post.

Ẁurdah waterfowl... I basically see myself as Dï Destruktïẁ Duk Kommandöh.

I have been quite annoyed with certain "nerdy" "Prog traditionalists" who act like you are mentally deficient or deranged if you don't mention various big names in topics where such names could be relevant as well as people who complain about names getting mentioned in topics that are not so traditionally Prog or typically prog genre.

One person used to say of people like me that I liked obscure music for the sake of being obscure, which was not true. I did, however, like discovering lesser-known music and sharing it (and suggesting it for PA inclusion back in the day). And some of us just have less mainstream tastes in the context of "prog circles" than others.

As for gatekeepers/ traditionalists, one would get people complaining about letting in less traditionally Prog (less recognised as of a Prog genre) music into PA, opening up to more categories and styles, acting like the sky is falling when an act they knew little of beyond reputation or a song would get in that is not as associated with Prog generally. This used to happen a lot. Complainers would say that X has nothing to do with Prog and then it could become clear that they were hardly experts on X, nor experts on similar music already in PA.

And then there were those who would complain if one, say, brought up Radiohead in a topic in the Prog lounge, and those who come across like they look down on music included in PA if they think it is not worthy of the Prog label. And there are those who act like Prog is better than other music. One person said it's obviously the best genre, and people responded with, you really believe it's better than all classical, all jazz etc. etc.? Turned out he just meant pop and popular rock music. Whatever... *current mood, ranty*

Mmm it’s a definite No! I just enjoy complexed music!

Atavachron wrote: Saperlipopette! wrote: ^Of course. I didn't even know he had opinions. I only used him because you wrote this Atavachron wrote: If you're listening to Diddy, that's on you. Valdez posted the Diddy link, not me.

Yes I did…. I’m a music nerd.

Saperlipopette! wrote: ^^^ I guess is was the 3:27 edit of Roundabout that got radio airplay.

I still have that short 45 rpm record. Alas, no sleeve.

^Of course. I didn't even know he had opinions. I only used him because you wrote this

Atavachron wrote: If you're listening to Diddy, that's on you.

^^^ I guess is was the 3:27 edit of Roundabout that got radio airplay. What sells tickets at venues and festivals does not refelct the charts or radio airplay at all. Modern Rock, Jazz etc. is doing much better than a lot of artists with forgettable hits. I think the music listeners and their hunger for - if not Progressive Fusion - maybe something that feels "real and authentic" is underestimated by labels and others who push the songs we're forced to listen to whether we want to or not (not we as I). And I think they will die out eventually.

-I'm not sure what point that young much people rather listen to The Police over Diddy proved for you btw.

Edited by Saperlipopette! - June 04 2025 at 14:17