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Sean Trane ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20636 |
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OK, fair enough that the ratings description in PA are perfectible enough (who actually rates that way anyways? ProgDorks and Symph Weenies ![]() But I imagine that the Metal Music Archives are also as "skewed" as a metal-dom scale. It's a problem that RYM doesn't face since it's a totally open ballgame. And indeed both prog and to a lesser extent metal were indeed like sects back when the sites were created in 2004, though MMA was born somewhat much later than PA (>> 2010, maybe?) As for Jazz MA, I guess it was more adult setting though I haven't got a memory about the ratings go up according to some possible "jazz scale". . Edited by Sean Trane - Yesterday at 04:02 |
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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Saperlipopette! ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 20 2010 Location: Tomorrowland Status: Offline Points: 13017 |
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-Gnik Nosmirk: Coincidentally ELO's Time has been favorite of mine basically all of my life. Ever since I pulled the LP out of my parents record collection as a child - and found the cover art intriguing. I've actually rated it with five stars at RYM. I find it perfect at what it is. An insanely catchy "pop opera" in space (I do find it somewhat progressive too). And of course it would get the exact same rating here if I had bothered. The bands and their music are not to blame for all of PA's badly thought through decicions made back in the day. Time would have gotten five stars at JazzMusicArchives for that matter. |
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Faul_McCartney ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 25 2022 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 123 |
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Not inherently, but I feel like the overlap is significant enough the answer might as well be yes. As others have said, it also depends what you consider to be "nerdy".
I would agree with that except for the website that we're on. The star system is explicitly about how you would rate music as prog. The "Prog-Related" and "Proto-prog" ratings are not held to that condition, which is fair enough. I do think a lot in "Crossover", like ELO, should really be in "Related" and not be subject to the same rating. |
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"De gustibus non est disputandum”
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Gnik Nosmirc ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 28 2024 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 368 |
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I have to admit though, it really frustrates me when I read reviews on ProgArchives that criticize albums simply because they aren't fully progressive. Albums like ELO's Time or Secret Messages are incredible synth-pop works, yet they get one or two stars just because they don't fit neatly into the prog mold. That kind of narrow-mindedness misses the point — you should evaluate an album for what it is, not what it isn't. Judging Time as a progressive rock album is like dismissing a Charli XCX album for not sounding like John Coltrane. It's unfair and ultimately unhelpful.
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 38755 |
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One does not need to be a clucking genius to notice that. ![]() |
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Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
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The Dark Elf ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: February 01 2011 Location: Michigan Status: Offline Points: 13388 |
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Yes, please notice I indicated the duck was clucking. A duck quacking would be way too mainstream. ![]() |
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 38755 |
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Ẁurdah waterfowl... I basically see myself as Dï Destruktïẁ Duk Kommandöh. |
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Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
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The Dark Elf ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: February 01 2011 Location: Michigan Status: Offline Points: 13388 |
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Greg, I do that just to annoy you, knowing that you are indeed an obscurantist, and find actual good albums to be anathema. But find a recording of a Zeuhl duck clucking along in some exotic Anseriforme dialect accompanied by a mellotron? You are there!*** ![]() ***No Logans were actually harmed in the making of this post. |
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 38755 |
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I have been quite annoyed with certain "nerdy" "Prog traditionalists" who act like you are mentally deficient or deranged if you don't mention various big names in topics where such names could be relevant as well as people who complain about names getting mentioned in topics that are not so traditionally Prog or typically prog genre.
One person used to say of people like me that I liked obscure music for the sake of being obscure, which was not true. I did, however, like discovering lesser-known music and sharing it (and suggesting it for PA inclusion back in the day). And some of us just have less mainstream tastes in the context of "prog circles" than others. As for gatekeepers/ traditionalists, one would get people complaining about letting in less traditionally Prog (less recognised as of a Prog genre) music into PA, opening up to more categories and styles, acting like the sky is falling when an act they knew little of beyond reputation or a song would get in that is not as associated with Prog generally. This used to happen a lot. Complainers would say that X has nothing to do with Prog and then it could become clear that they were hardly experts on X, nor experts on similar music already in PA. And then there were those who would complain if one, say, brought up Radiohead in a topic in the Prog lounge, and those who come across like they look down on music included in PA if they think it is not worthy of the Prog label. And there are those who act like Prog is better than other music. One person said it's obviously the best genre, and people responded with, you really believe it's better than all classical, all jazz etc. etc.? Turned out he just meant pop and popular rock music. Whatever... *current mood, ranty* ![]() |
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Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
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Gnik Nosmirc ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 28 2024 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 368 |
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One thing I want to point out is that I'm just as much frustrated with nerdy gatekeepers as I am with rock boomers who only ever talk about Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, and Dire Straits—turning the entire 1970s into a dull era of hard rock and bluegrass, as if nothing worthwhile happened until the 1980s came along and 'saved' music.
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geekfreak ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 21 2013 Location: Musical Garden Status: Offline Points: 9879 |
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Mmm it’s a definite No! I just enjoy complexed music!
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Friedrich Nietzsche: "Without music, life would be a mistake."
Music Is Live Two people are better off than one, for they can help each other succeed. Keep Calm And Listen To The Music… < |
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Valdez ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 17 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1231 |
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Unfortunately I dragged this topic away from its original premise. I got sidetracked. I confess to being a music nerd. Not just a prog nerd, but music History from the 50s through the present. I read about music, search the webs for things I like, I even roll out a song of my own once in a while. I collect vinyls, I buy and sell old vinyls on eBay to supplement my income. My computer is full of wav. Files long lost by me. I’ve been a music nerd since I purchased “paperback writer” some time in the 60s when I was still a kid. My first prog album was aqualung. Then I went out and got T. Rex electric warrior. In high school my friend Audie introduced me to Hawkwind, King Crimson, and Gentle Giant. I did not care for Gentle Giant. I spent 2 years as a DJ at our college radio station. ( miserable job I don’t recommend). My wife and kids hate just about everything I listen to, so I know I’ve reached the pinnacle of Nerdism. My be latest musical crush is for Anje Plasch (soap&skin) . It’s a gentle kind of music with a classical piano and a haunting beautiful strange voice. Not Rock or Prog but super engaging.
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Valdez ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 17 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1231 |
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Yes I did…. I’m a music nerd. ![]() |
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Atavachron ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Online Points: 65844 |
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Valdez posted the Diddy link, not me. |
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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Valdez ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 17 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1231 |
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I still have that short 45 rpm record. Alas, no sleeve. |
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Valdez ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 17 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1231 |
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Agreed he is a tool .
Sting sold his entire catalog to UMG and its many satellites. Yeah they market him heavily. McCartney is a music mogul in his own right who has a deal with Sony. His music is marketed worldwide. Cat Steven’s has a sweet deal with BMG and it’s conglomerate, and they make sure he stays relevant sales-wise. marketing is how they stay relevant at all. Taylor Swift was able to buy back her catalog but they fought her tooth and nail for it. Bakullama has 150.00 and a Bandcamp page . lol. Bands are relevant as long as they can be sold. I admire the many prog bands who take ownership of all facets of their music from production to online sales. I’m sure there are those that have been offered exposure to the worldwide audience for a price, and have turned down the offers. That’s about all I’ve got. Diddys boastful rant only serves to expose the power these people think the wield over the listeners and he is a moron but he is not wrong. Judging from the testimonies of so called victims, I’m willing to bet his mansion and underground tunnels and deep connections will be no more. Prince, who I admire as a musician and as a man had a few things to say about the music business. Deep dark and dangerous. As are all things, when billions of dollars are floating about. Edited by Valdez - June 04 2025 at 15:17 |
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Saperlipopette! ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 20 2010 Location: Tomorrowland Status: Offline Points: 13017 |
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^Of course. I didn't even know he had opinions. I only used him because you wrote this
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Atavachron ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Online Points: 65844 |
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Diddy is an idiot, and I very much doubt in ten years anyone will care about his opinions or his music.
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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Saperlipopette! ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 20 2010 Location: Tomorrowland Status: Offline Points: 13017 |
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^^^ I guess is was the 3:27 edit of Roundabout that got radio airplay. What sells tickets at venues and festivals does not refelct the charts or radio airplay at all. Modern Rock, Jazz etc. is doing much better than a lot of artists with forgettable hits. I think the music listeners and their hunger for - if not Progressive Fusion - maybe something that feels "real and authentic" is underestimated by labels and others who push the songs we're forced to listen to whether we want to or not (not we as I). And I think they will die out eventually.
-I'm not sure what point that young much people rather listen to The Police over Diddy proved for you btw. Edited by Saperlipopette! - June 04 2025 at 14:17 |
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Atavachron ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Online Points: 65844 |
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Exactly. And it's not the masses that are easily sold, it's the sellers. People buy, sellers sell. |
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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