Dream Theater Poll

bityear wrote: I believe that they might help metal fans to get into prog, though, rather than scaring people away. But, Dream Theater should switch place with Pain of Salvation. PoS are the better in my book, and being slightly less big might've saved DT's artsiness before they turned up with albums like ToT and FII...

I agree that it will bring more Metal fans in Prog, but I disagree with you. Pain Of Salvation was INFLUENCED BY DREAM THEATER'S WORK.

stonebeard wrote: Cygnus wrote: frosty wrote: The most encouraging thing I find about Dream Theater is that their albums are continually improving. Train Of Thought is an absolute cracker, can't wait for the next one. cmon man train of thought is just what pantera would play if they were better players. great album indeed but nothing like prog for me if they remade TOT with about 1/2 of Petrucci's w**king removed. It would be perfect. Dark, but perfect.

I BELIVE THAT THE TRACKS WOULD BE MUCH BETTER (IN TRAIN OF THOUGHT) IF THEY WERE SHORTER WITHOUT SO MUCH GUITAR MASTURBATION.

^^^ by the way, "w**king" in that last post is referring to overly silly and purposly saturated guitar soloas and fills. Not sexual at all. That would be silly.

FloydWright wrote: arcer wrote: Just personal, you understand, i can appreciate why some people might go for it (in the same way I understand why people listen to Marilyn Manson and hate their parents) but I just find it all too amusing. Again, I think this is a rather demeaning way to look at prog-metal fans (along with your comment about fifth-form misery). You almost seem to imply that we are developmentally behind you. I certainly hope you don't really believe that to be true??????

yes, I do

I'm just joking!!!!!!

Cygnus X-2 wrote: ironsmelter wrote: I enjoy..... I have all their albums.IMO,Awake and 6 Degrees are really prog,and so is the debut dispite the bad production;I & W and ToT are interesting,especially for metal fans,though not so progressive;A Change of Seasons and Metropolis pt.2 are awfully touching,even if sometimes a little bit boring;I don't like Falling into Infinity.  I like both prog rock and prog metal,from KC,Yes,E.L.P,Maxphone to PoS,Sym X & Sieges Even.Of course ,prog rock sounds deeper and more sophisticated,but prog metal is still worth listening to. You forgot When Dream and Day Unite. A quite unique album I must say, the vocals are incredible.

He said "And so is the debut despite the bad production".

The "debut" he is referring to is none other than "When Dream And Day Unite".

ironsmelter wrote: I enjoy..... I have all their albums.IMO,Awake and 6 Degrees are really prog,and so is the debut dispite the bad production;I & W and ToT are interesting,especially for metal fans,though not so progressive;A Change of Seasons and Metropolis pt.2 are awfully touching,even if sometimes a little bit boring;I don't like Falling into Infinity.  I like both prog rock and prog metal,from KC,Yes,E.L.P,Maxphone to PoS,Sym X & Sieges Even.Of course ,prog rock sounds deeper and more sophisticated,but prog metal is still worth listening to.

You forgot When Dream and Day Unite. A quite unique album I must say, the vocals are incredible.

Certif1ed wrote: arcer wrote: To me it's just juvenile, teen angst-ridden, overbearing, overstated bellowing. And really, really takes itself way too seriously. ...and the problem with that is...? Oh wait, bands should never take themselves seriously, should they - bands like Yes, ELP, Genesis, King Crimson...

Ah but I never said that the classic prog bands didn't take themselves too seriously - I find ELP hilariously Tap-ish And I will confess that the first time I saw Yes and little Jon Anderson produced a little harp to play the mid-section of 'Awaken' I nearly p***ed myself laughing thinking 'there's a harp onstage in danger of being trodden on by a dawrf (anderson)', though I adore Yes. 

However, at least with most classic prog and other forms of music where there is serious intent (lyrically and musically) it doesn't come across as fifth form misery wrapped in 'weighty' powerchords intersperesed with pointless solos of brow-furrowing 'meaning'.

Just personal, you understand, i can appreciate why some people might go for it (in the same way I understand why people listen to Marilyn Manson and hate their parents) but I just find it all too amusing.

In my formative years I did get very very into metal, I suppose you'd call it 'classic metal/hard rock' now - Purple, AC/DC, Rainbow, Maiden, Sabs, Diamond Head etc etc but now I own very little save for some Purple, Rainbow and Sabbath as I can't see too much merit in it. I still dearly love AC/DC though but now I see them for what they are - a fabulous rock n roll band with the knack of writing some incredibly infectious pop songs - i don't even think of them as metal or hard rock any more.

I just find the metal from the early 80s onward - and particularly the 90 prog-metal - to be po-faced, self-regarding and altogether too .... dull. It just isn't fun, nothing in it sparkles for me like the bands of yore. I think Queensryche have a lot to answer for here - I have never ever seen a band take itself so seriously and yet be so vacuous musically. Operation Mindcrime (which I seem to feel is heralded as a major jumping off point for prog-metal) to me just sounds like badly recycled Pink Floyd meets Sabbath in a rehearsal room owned by Bon Jovi. Poor songwriting, poor ideas, poor vocals and melodies.

And I don't think it's simply old age catching up (i'm 38). I find more innovation, spark, life, humour and lyrics worth listening to in things like Radiohead et al. Indeed, I find them and their ilk to be far more akin to progressive rock than prog-metal.

Which is what I was trying to get at with my first post on this thread. Why is metal so closely linked to prog by some? Aside from long songs I can see little common ground.