When somebody in your favourite band finds "GOD"

The T wrote: From the start this wasn't a MUSIC thread... then it turned into a theology discussion... then we got into history... now it's a health-related thread.... I've no problem with that.   But could it be moved to another lounge? About the music this isn't.

After some thought,  I think we maybe should just go through some rough and tumble  and see where this thread is going so far it has touched the relevant subject theme in places.   

Just like most threads  at times they do stray a little . 

For what it's worth I did not vote on this poll. I am a big Van Morrison fan and Bob Dylan, for me VM brought out some of his best music during his 'spiritual' journey. Shakti - very spiritual beautiful music. George Harrison did great music during his Hari Krishna era. The Waterboys ( aka Mike Scott) very spiritual, but there are many atheist musicians outthere angry with life, passionate about death and there music is superb too. Dig it all people and like this thread, let's all not try and categorize it or compartmentalize it we are all in cyberspace afterall and the thread evolves. Change is good.

From the start this wasn't a MUSIC thread... then it turned into a theology discussion... then we got into history... now it's a health-related thread.... I've no problem with that.

jplanet wrote: E-Dub wrote: jplanet wrote: E-Dub wrote: I'm trying to get caught up on all of this, but having a tough time. Some crud has absolutely hammered me and I can barely function. I told my doctor yesterday (with whom we've been seeing for 7 years now) that if he ever wanted to kick my arse with relative ease, now's the time to do it. It is bothering me that people are coming down so hard on Fullbug (Scott). I've been talking to him away from the group and your perceptions of him are off the mark. What you guys view as fanaticism, I see it as a passion for Christ. I actually admire him for speaking out. It seems like we here a ton of anti-God this and anti-God that, and when somebody speaks out in favor of a man who was beaten, tortured and put through a hell that we'll never understand for all of us, everybody gets in a twist about it. It really is strange how religion affects the human psyche. Just my 2 cents. Like I said, I've barely skimmed over stuff and can't remain upright for too long (I break out in those lovely cold sweats. You know the kind.) Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to slip into a nice warm coma. E Oh no, E-Dub, did you catch this stomach virus that's going around? I hope not...but if you did it only lasts two days at the most, though... I think I just got some sort of flu bug. My daughter was sick from Saturday until Tuesday, and then passed it on to me. I'm able to keep foods down, but I have a cough that sounds like a pregnant seal and I get weak really easily. Throw in a fever every so often, too. Whatever it is, it's wicked bad. E Yikes! Hope you feel better quickly!

Thank you, my friend. I really appreciate that.

E

E-Dub wrote: MadcapLaughs84 wrote: I don't wanna sound too atheist, but I think this affects the band or the artist, not in the musical way but the lyrics turn too monotonous. I think Morse has done a good job of changing it around. Still has a progressive feel to it while carrying a Christian message. E

I don't wanna sound too atheist, but I think this affects the band or the artist, not in the musical way but the lyrics turn too monotonous.

I had to say yes because of Neal Morse.  Apart from that, I can't recall a band being ruined by Christianity or any other religion. 

I'm trying to get caught up on all of this, but having a tough time. Some crud has absolutely hammered me and I can barely function. I told my doctor yesterday (with whom we've been seeing for 7 years now) that if he ever wanted to kick my arse with relative ease, now's the time to do it.

It is bothering me that people are coming down so hard on Fullbug (Scott). I've been talking to him away from the group and your perceptions of him are off the mark. What you guys view as fanaticism, I see it as a passion for Christ. I actually admire him for speaking out. It seems like we here a ton of anti-God this and anti-God that, and when somebody speaks out in favor of a man who was beaten, tortured and put through a hell that we'll never understand for all of us, everybody gets in a twist about it. It really is strange how religion affects the human psyche.

Just my 2 cents. Like I said, I've barely skimmed over stuff and can't remain upright for too long (I break out in those lovely cold sweats. You know the kind.) Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to slip into a nice warm coma.

E

Masque wrote: Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: Cheesecake mouse wrote: I've heard that Gabrial was bipolar, do you know if its cause was drug related? I know that Genesis were heavily into a lot of stuff at that time.   First, Bipolar Disorder has nothing to do with drugs, I believe it's a Manic-Depressive inherited condition that appears when you are in your 20's or early 30's   A person suffering from Bipolar disorder experiences two extreme emotional swings. Often they are manic. So much so, they perceived by others as out of control. An individual in a manic stage will suffer thoughts of grandiosity as evidenced by such activities as sexual promiscuity, violent behavior, and extreme religiosity. On the other hand, when a person with Bipolar disorder is swinging the other direction, they are often depressed to the extent that suicide is an obsession. Bipolar is a disorder of extremes.    http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=10466     Can be controlled by medicines, but it's genetic and inherited in most cases,   Drugs? By the contrary, if a bipolar uses drugs and medicines at the same time, the consequences are devastating, specially in the depressive stages.   About peter and drugs, what I know,:   For Peter's comments: He said that somebody left a hash cake after a party in his house and he ate a bit, he ended a couple miles away of his house with his heart beating at 150 and without idea how he reached there. He was so scared that never tried again anything.   For the band comments: Phil Collins who was filmed with Steve (I believe) smoking a joint. said that Tony was very healthy and if Peter smelled a beer he was already high so he never tried drugs, never read a comment accepting or denying anything about Mike Rutherford except when he said in an Italian interview that he hated guys getting high on the gigs instead of listening music..   VDGG who toured with Genesis; While they were getting high in the back of the Bus, Peter was solving crossword puzzles in the first seat and Tony was sleeping.   A bassist who's name I don't remember said he used to visit Peter Gabriel and Steve Winwood, he SAID he used to smoke big ones with Steve and when asked about Peter, he said he said NEVER.   That's the info I have.   Iván When I was 24 years old I  started doing strange  things like staying up all night every night writing poetry and thinking that the world was a "bad place" full of greed lust and  hate ..  but worst of all ignorance They sent me to a Dr,    after about 6 months they diagnosed me as Bi Polar     and I have never been the same since  ... lithium helps  but it is a crude medicine and hasn`t  returned me to that  "care free" guy  I once was.   One thing that helped me was believing in something a "higher power" I call the unified field   others call God  I started this Poll  not with  the intentions of sharing my life's story, but as a window into each others thoughts and maybe  collectively we can gain some understanding through each other, and who knows maybe a clearer view into ourselves (with a little luck) I never started this thread to cause angst  , hate or disharmony   those are things we can all do with out If we are going to leave this thread open we must respect each other ... because nobody is wrong    God is a complex subject  that in the end leads us on an inward journey , its there the answer can be found People with mental illness really suffer badly  ...  but as  Hamlet said  "it`s the pain that defines me"

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: Cheesecake mouse wrote: I've heard that Gabrial was bipolar, do you know if its cause was drug related? I know that Genesis were heavily into a lot of stuff at that time.   First, Bipolar Disorder has nothing to do with drugs, I believe it's a Manic-Depressive inherited condition that appears when you are in your 20's or early 30's   A person suffering from Bipolar disorder experiences two extreme emotional swings. Often they are manic. So much so, they perceived by others as out of control. An individual in a manic stage will suffer thoughts of grandiosity as evidenced by such activities as sexual promiscuity, violent behavior, and extreme religiosity. On the other hand, when a person with Bipolar disorder is swinging the other direction, they are often depressed to the extent that suicide is an obsession. Bipolar is a disorder of extremes.    http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=10466     Can be controlled by medicines, but it's genetic and inherited in most cases,   Drugs? By the contrary, if a bipolar uses drugs and medicines at the same time, the consequences are devastating, specially in the depressive stages.   About peter and drugs, what I know,:   For Peter's comments: He said that somebody left a hash cake after a party in his house and he ate a bit, he ended a couple miles away of his house with his heart beating at 150 and without idea how he reached there. He was so scared that never tried again anything.   For the band comments: Phil Collins who was filmed with Steve (I believe) smoking a joint. said that Tony was very healthy and if Peter smelled a beer he was already high so he never tried drugs, never read a comment accepting or denying anything about Mike Rutherford except when he said in an Italian interview that he hated guys getting high on the gigs instead of listening music..   VDGG who toured with Genesis; While they were getting high in the back of the Bus, Peter was solving crossword puzzles in the first seat and Tony was sleeping.   A bassist who's name I don't remember said he used to visit Peter Gabriel and Steve Winwood, he SAID he used to smoke big ones with Steve and when asked about Peter, he said he said NEVER.   That's the info I have.   Iván

When I was 24 years old I  started doing strange  things like staying up all night every night writing poetry and thinking that the world was a "bad place" full of greed lust and  hate ..  but worst of all ignorance
They sent me to a Dr,    after about 6 months they diagnosed me with or "as" Bi Polar     and I have never been the same since  ... lithium helps  but it is a crude medicine and hasn`t  returned me to that  "care free" guy  I once was.  
One thing that helped me was believing in something a "higher power" I call the unified field   others call God 

I started this Poll  not with  the intentions of sharing my life's story, but as a window into each others thoughts and maybe  collectively we can gain some understanding through each other, and who knows maybe a clearer view into ourselves (with a little luck)

I never started this thread to cause angst  , hate or disharmony   those are things we can all do with out

If we are going to leave this thread open we must respect each other ... because nobody is wrong   

God is a complex subject  that in the end leads us on an inward journey , its there the answer can be found

People with mental illness really suffer badly , in many more ways than "normal" people could ever imagine ...  but as written  in Hamlet by William Shakespeare "it is the pain that defines me"

   "It defines us all"   as written by Masque







OH YEAH I NEVER TOOK ILLEGAL  DRUGS OR DRANK ALCOHOL SO THE THEORY ABOUT PETER GABRIEL IS JUST NASTY HOG WASH AND WILL ONLY SERVE AS  A SELF JUSTIFICTION TO B4ST4RDIZE  SOME FAIRLY MARGINALISED PEOPLE
KICK A DOG WHEN ITS DOWN MENTALITY ...   SEEN IT MANY TIMES 

"oh it must be something he did to himself he must have taken lots of  DRUGS"  any idea how many times I have heard that crap ? I don`t hear it anymore I wipe those people  very fast


Edited by Masque - February 09 2007 at 04:28