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Jimbo 
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Posted: March 06 2005 at 11:54 |
 Rob The Plant wrote:
Captain Fudge wrote:
ROBERT PLANT, RIGHT??????????????? |
That's so obvious he needs no mention in a poll. |
 Yeah, he is one of the best.
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Rob The Plant
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Posted: March 06 2005 at 11:52 |
Captain Fudge wrote:
ROBERT PLANT, RIGHT??????????????? |
That's so obvious he needs no mention in a poll.
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Captain Fudge
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Posted: March 06 2005 at 09:16 |
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ROBERT PLANT, RIGHT???????????????
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Teenage sucks hard -- Emo sucks even harder
Epic. Simply epic.
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Jimbo
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Posted: March 06 2005 at 05:36 |
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Allthough not my favourite singer Gabriel gets my vote.
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Posted: March 06 2005 at 02:53 |
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I got to go with Gabs here
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Posted: March 06 2005 at 01:36 |
Those of you who mentioned Alberto Piras, ever heard Demetrio Stratos from Area? His vocals were even more wild, his voice has been described as 'Elvis meets Tarzan'. Amazing range, and certainly interesting to say the least.
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Posted: March 06 2005 at 00:22 |
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Come to think of it I see what Ivan means. Hearing Duke and Abacab (when Phil seriously changed his vocal style) I notice he seams to scream a lot for emotion, making a very lame "soul: singing style, which sounds forced and fake. I think it's because of Gabriel's natural gift of voice control, which only improves with age. His developement is apparent in his solo works, though lacking the amount of character voices, he has an incredible range of vocals throughout a song.
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Mosquito
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Posted: March 05 2005 at 22:02 |
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Posted: March 05 2005 at 19:31 |
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"control" and "expressiveness" In my opinion, the two
are not mutually exclusive. Sometimes the lack of control
makes for the greatest expression.
I wanted to vote for Lake, excellent control. Great
natural voice. Somewhat limited in range.That put me off
a little. Ian anderson emotes very well. Another great
voice. A little limited in the control department.
I always thought Fish sounded a little "thin". Although
I haven't heard the live stuff, so I could be wrong.
I must confess I am not familiar with Peter Hamill. So I
eliminated him as a canidate. maybe I shouldn't vote
then? what do you think?
Anyway, out of the four (Pete Hamill excluded) I would
choose Gabriel. Not the greatest control (which
sometimes works in your favor). Great emotional range,
though. Well, really he's my favorite singer. I'm not
competent to judge, other than that
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Posted: March 05 2005 at 18:24 |
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Posted: March 05 2005 at 17:40 |
James Lee wrote:
Although I wouldn't be surprised to find out he served time in a church choir...
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My God you could be on to him. Hymn 43 indeed!
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Posted: March 05 2005 at 17:27 |
Certif1ed wrote:
Considering Maani's points, I'm very tempted to re-assess Ian Anderson's control, as his voice is not only sensitive to, but leads and colours the music overall. I'll have to re-listen to my Tull albums, as I'm not convinced by all of the technical points Manni raises... |
I'm not certain that Ian's control was formally taught...he is so un-forced in his delivery that I suspect his vocal prowess is raw natural gift plus years of 'on the job training'. Although I wouldn't be surprised to find out he served time in a church choir...any Tull biography folks out there to confirm?
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Posted: March 05 2005 at 15:56 |
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As far as expressiveness goes, no-one (IMO) comes close to Daniel Gildenlow, what a guy.
From these ones, Peter Gabriel
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Posted: March 05 2005 at 15:49 |
 I vote Greg Lake surely, cause his voice is wonderful. I like his voice is a grave voice. Is beautiful for balads and songs with the ELP stile.
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Posted: March 05 2005 at 15:13 |
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Who here can actually sing or understand how the larynx stretches or at what point notes come from?
I do. I studied singing in great depth - right down to the physical anatomical bits and pieces, and can hear how most vocalists produce the sounds they do. But I don't think it's entirely relevant when considering rock vocalists - as different techniques are required to produce the different singing styles. So I limited myself to considering how the voices were controlled within the context of the music - hence Hammill, who tends to over-dramatise, loses out to Fish, who tempers the drama perfectly, IMO.
Considering Maani's points, I'm very tempted to re-assess Ian Anderson's control, as his voice is not only sensitive to, but leads and colours the music overall. I'll have to re-listen to my Tull albums, as I'm not convinced by all of the technical points Manni raises...
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Posted: March 05 2005 at 13:41 |
I've noticed that there's some sort of syncronicity to this poll
a Fish lives in a Lake and is farmed by Fish farmer Anderson!   Sorry.
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Do 'The Stanley' otherwise I'll thrash you with some rhubarb.
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Posted: March 05 2005 at 13:06 |
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To me, Fish does sound like he can convey emotion decently well when he appears on Ayreon's Into the Electric Castle. I wouldn't vote him the best singer on this poll, though, but he is decent.
So...no one here thinks well of Russell Allen?
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Posted: March 05 2005 at 05:29 |
Ivan makes a strong an convincing case for Gabriel, but I surprised myself and went for Fish.
Fish to me is not a great singer. His solo album "Songs from the mirror" shows just how poor he is when he covers other people's songs. When he's performing his own material (solo or Marillion) though, his control and expresiveness is unique. He disguises the shortcomings in his singing ability by relying entirely on those qualities.
He lacks the ability to impose those qualities on other people songs, as they are not personal to him. I suspect when Fish writes his lyrics, he is already considering how he will perform them, and searching for words which will complement the emotion he wishes to convey. Sometimes, this can lead to the lyrics becoming trite but more often than not, it works well.
There are many better singers than Fish, but that is not the question here, is it?
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Posted: March 04 2005 at 18:17 |
utah_man wrote:
The Italian prog musicians have had a unique ability to maintain a high level of vocal quality even with the "newer" groups like Deus Ex Machina.
Their correct usage of vibrato is a case in point
Alberto Piras - Deus Ex Machina
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Without a doubt this guy is the absolute best.
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Posted: March 04 2005 at 17:30 |
| Peter Gabriel's attempts at working class accents on Genesis songs like 'The Battle of Epping Forest' or 'Get 'em out by Friday' sound extremely unconvincing to me |
I partially agree about the accent in Get' em Out by Friday, not his best song for sure, but remember what a job he did in The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway, hesounded very convincing as a Puerto Rican/New Yorker. I read he had to work very hard to get rid of his British accent to sing in that album.
Iván
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