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    Posted: January 22 2007 at 21:35
The Moody Blues acknowledge a greater being, and sometimes it would seem like Jesus and God. Judging from the lyrics.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 22 2007 at 17:43
Robert Fripp, Bill Bruford and Adrian Belew are all Christians at this point in time. I imagine that's how KC gets mentioned in a discussion like this one.

Things might have been differrent for Fripp when ITCOTKC was released.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 22 2007 at 17:25
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also, you like King Crimson?...but dont you know what King Crimson means?Wink


I guess if i woulda thought about it i woulda realized but never thought about the title
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 22 2007 at 13:02
Originally posted by endlessepic endlessepic wrote:

 



Four suggestions to you although they all come from the same writer:

Kansas (After 1980)
AD (The band Kerry Livgren joined after becoming a Christian and quiting Kansas)
Kerry Livgeren (5 albums of solo material)
Proto-Kaw (The band Kerry writes for now)


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Is this the same Kansas that scored the radio hit "Carry On My Wayward Son?" I have always loved that song and knew that it was progressive but never really heard any of their other stuff. I keep hearing their name floating around here but unfortunatly havent delved into their works.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 22 2007 at 13:02
Anything by Marduk.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 22 2007 at 13:01
I remember reading that Shadow Gallery are a Christian metla band...jejej, as crazy as that might sound, you should give them a try... I know I did...and well, I keep the commments to myselfLOL

also, you like King Crimson?...but dont you know what King Crimson means?Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 22 2007 at 10:14
 
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Four suggestions to you although they all come from the same writer:

Kansas (After 1980)
AD (The band Kerry Livgren joined after becoming a Christian and quiting Kansas)
Kerry Livgeren (5 albums of solo material)
Proto-Kaw (The band Kerry writes for now)


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Is this the same Kansas that scored the radio hit "Carry On My Wayward Son?" I have always loved that song and knew that it was progressive but never really heard any of their other stuff. I keep hearing their name floating around here but unfortunatly havent delved into their works.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 22 2007 at 04:09
Just pre-ordered Sola Scriptura. MP3 samples are available at Neal's website. Always look forward to a new Neal Morse disc.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 22 2007 at 03:46
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I don't think anyone is preaching here. Neal Morse certainly doesn't preach, he tells his own personal stories, feelings and beliefs, or he tells stories and what not from the Bible itself, which in essence shouldn't be much different in concept than retelling a part of any story, though it surely would have a spiritual meaning rather than just a sentimental one. He is not pushing his beliefs on anyone, he is just putting them out there. Besides, I think nearly every musician in some way or another works their beliefs in to their stuff regardless if it's religious, spiritual, moral, etc.

 

I also don't think anyone says bluntly in their music "I'm a Christian." The artists may speak of beliefs or whatever relating to a certain belief system, but that doesn't necessarily mean they are proclaiming an affiliation. The Flower Kings, for example, speak of many positive things: peace, love, etc. They even make references to God, though not saying it directly. Roine Stolt is not a Christian though.

 

You also should not make such generalizations of Christianity or any belief, because they all take many different forms. And again, Christianity is supposed to be about having a realtionship with God, it is not supposed to be a formulaic, utterly strict religion. I can't see how these are "tired cliches." Sure, I disagree with some views/practices of certain sects of Christianity, and many of those sects' ideals do need to fix some things, but shouldn't the general morals expressed in the Bible (as well as the Torah and Qu'ran if I'm not mistaken) remain always? You can't say that treating people with kindness, not killing/lying/stealing, etc. are played out and we need fresh ideas. For how many theories and ideas have come and gone over the years, Christianity, Judaism, Islam, and so on have all remained, and that should say something. Unfortunately these people who think we need new ideals have been winning, as many nations keep losing grip on their foundations in favor of new ones that appeal to those who are trying to break away from the traditional morals and the like.

 

Lastly, why should you care if someone wants to say what they believe? If you need new ideas, and Christian ideas are too old for you, don't listen to it. I don't see why people need to question what's already been accepted for all of these years, and (generally speaking) rightfully so. And just because this age is bent on new explainations for everything, why must a man conform to those people and aquiesce to their requests? If a Scientologist wants to write about his ARC triangle and auditing, or if an evolutionist wants to write about is great, great, great, great, great grandfather the ape, let him/her. Are you going to accuse them of preaching to us?

 

Artists give us their perspectives of religion and morals, love, the world, but are we accusing all of them of preaching to us? No, surprisingly, only the Christians, or so it seems. At least to a much larger degree than the others.
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I would have to agree here. As you addressed with Neal's music, it's not 'preachy' in the least. Testimony is Neal's story, plain and simple. One, ?, and (more than likely) Sola Scriptura are concept albums telling a story. In this case, they all have a common denominator in that it's religious (Christian...oohh, that dreaded 'c' word again!) in nature. I've heard a lot of 'preachy' music jamming their beliefs down our throats that have nothing to do with Christianity. We sure don't hear about that, however.

And what if it was preachy? Don't listen to it. Personally, I need to be reminded in-between Sundays.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 22 2007 at 01:27
Originally posted by The Wizard The Wizard wrote:

Prog is about magic mushrooms and eastern philosophies, not Billy Graham and youth group.


Ouch I always figured prog was for open minded people and like to expand their horizons a bit LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 22 2007 at 01:21
Originally posted by endlessepic endlessepic wrote:

This is for Christian proggers or decent non-christians. Please no "Christian music blows...satanic metal is the way to go!"Hi, I am a Christian. I am also a really sketchy character, hence my need for a savior...however, I find it difficult to find musicians who are Christians that sound good. There are exceptions however, such as and not limited to - Phil Keaggy! John Standefer, Hyper Static-Union isnt too bad, Neal Morse is really good but I havent bought any of his albums yet.Can anyone reccommend artists that are Christians, (I'd rather it wasnt just straight praise music) and can play really well...preferably prog artists.To see what I'm into = My favorite bands are - but arent limited toELPGenesisRadioheadGentle GiantYesPink FloydDire StraitsChet AtkinsTommy EmmanuelKeaneKing CrimsonAnglagardZappaMuseand many more...basically every band on progarchivesIs there anyone along these lines that play christian prog?Thank you



Four suggestions to you although they all come from the same writer:

Kansas (After 1980)
AD (The band Kerry Livgren joined after becoming a Christian and quiting Kansas)
Kerry Livgeren (5 albums of solo material)
Proto-Kaw (The band Kerry writes for now)


     


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 22 2007 at 01:02
Originally posted by The Wizard The Wizard wrote:

Prog is about magic mushrooms and eastern philosophies, not Billy Graham and youth group.


I apreciate the opinion but I clarified on my first post this thread isnt for dissentors...
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I don't think anyone is preaching here. Neal Morse certainly doesn't preach, he tells his own personal stories, feelings and beliefs, or he tells stories and what not from the Bible itself, which in essence shouldn't be much different in concept than retelling a part of any story, though it surely would have a spiritual meaning rather than just a sentimental one. He is not pushing his beliefs on anyone, he is just putting them out there. Besides, I think nearly every musician in some way or another works their beliefs in to their stuff regardless if it's religious, spiritual, moral, etc.
 
I also don't think anyone says bluntly in their music "I'm a Christian." The artists may speak of beliefs or whatever relating to a certain belief system, but that doesn't necessarily mean they are proclaiming an affiliation. The Flower Kings, for example, speak of many positive things: peace, love, etc. They even make references to God, though not saying it directly. Roine Stolt is not a Christian though.
 
You also should not make such generalizations of Christianity or any belief, because they all take many different forms. And again, Christianity is supposed to be about having a realtionship with God, it is not supposed to be a formulaic, utterly strict religion. I can't see how these are "tired cliches." Sure, I disagree with some views/practices of certain sects of Christianity, and many of those sects' ideals do need to fix some things, but shouldn't the general morals expressed in the Bible (as well as the Torah and Qu'ran if I'm not mistaken) remain always? You can't say that treating people with kindness, not killing/lying/stealing, etc. are played out and we need fresh ideas. For how many theories and ideas have come and gone over the years, Christianity, Judaism, Islam, and so on have all remained, and that should say something. Unfortunately these people who think we need new ideals have been winning, as many nations keep losing grip on their foundations in favor of new ones that appeal to those who are trying to break away from the traditional morals and the like.
 
Lastly, why should you care if someone wants to say what they believe? If you need new ideas, and Christian ideas are too old for you, don't listen to it. I don't see why people need to question what's already been accepted for all of these years, and (generally speaking) rightfully so. And just because this age is bent on new explainations for everything, why must a man conform to those people and aquiesce to their requests? If a Scientologist wants to write about his ARC triangle and auditing, or if an evolutionist wants to write about is great, great, great, great, great grandfather the ape, let him/her. Are you going to accuse them of preaching to us?
 
Artists give us their perspectives of religion and morals, love, the world, but are we accusing all of them of preaching to us? No, surprisingly, only the Christians, or so it seems. At least to a much larger degree than the others.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 21 2007 at 21:56
Originally posted by Spiderprog Spiderprog wrote:

Originally posted by E-Dub E-Dub wrote:

Originally posted by The Wizard The Wizard wrote:

Prog is about magic mushrooms and eastern philosophies, not Billy Graham and youth group.


Pretty closed minded, if that were the case. I would think that prog is a pretty free genre and can easily cross over between secular and religious (any religion).

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You are right. But good art is not about preaching, especially in an age that needs new and fresh answers and not tired cliches. I do not understand why, if someone wants to write anything spiritual, he has to proclaim himself as a christian, moslem or any other member of a particular religion.
I still think spiritual prog works much better as a term if one is needed at all.

 
I don't think anyone is preaching here. Neal Morse certainly doesn't preach, he tells his own personal stories, feelings and beliefs, or he tells stories and what not from the Bible itself, which in essence shouldn't be much different in concept than retelling a part of any story, though it surely would have a spiritual meaning rather than just a sentimental one. He is not pushing his beliefs on anyone, he is just putting them out there. Besides, I think nearly every musician in some way or another works their beliefs in to their stuff regardless if it's religious, spiritual, moral, etc.
 
I also don't think anyone says bluntly in their music "I'm a Christian." The artists may speak of beliefs or whatever relating to a certain belief system, but that doesn't necessarily mean they are proclaiming an affiliation. The Flower Kings, for example, speak of many positive things: peace, love, etc. They even make references to God, though not saying it directly. Roine Stolt is not a Christian though.
 
You also should not make such generalizations of Christianity or any belief, because they all take many different forms. And again, Christianity is supposed to be about having a realtionship with God, it is not supposed to be a formulaic, utterly strict religion. I can't see how these are "tired cliches." Sure, I disagree with some views/practices of certain sects of Christianity, and many of those sects' ideals do need to fix some things, but shouldn't the general morals expressed in the Bible (as well as the Torah and Qu'ran if I'm not mistaken) remain always? You can't say that treating people with kindness, not killing/lying/stealing, etc. are played out and we need fresh ideas. For how many theories and ideas have come and gone over the years, Christianity, Judaism, Islam, and so on have all remained, and that should say something. Unfortunately these people who think we need new ideals have been winning, as many nations keep losing grip on their foundations in favor of new ones that appeal to those who are trying to break away from the traditional morals and the like.
 
Lastly, why should you care if someone wants to say what they believe? If you need new ideas, and Christian ideas are too old for you, don't listen to it. I don't see why people need to question what's already been accepted for all of these years, and (generally speaking) rightfully so. And just because this age is bent on new explainations for everything, why must a man conform to those people and aquiesce to their requests? If a Scientologist wants to write about his ARC triangle and auditing, or if an evolutionist wants to write about is great, great, great, great, great grandfather the ape, let him/her. Are you going to accuse them of preaching to us?
 
Artists give us their perspectives of religion and morals, love, the world, but are we accusing all of them of preaching to us? No, surprisingly, only the Christians, or so it seems. At least to a much larger degree than the others.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 21 2007 at 20:33
Originally posted by E-Dub E-Dub wrote:

Originally posted by The Wizard The Wizard wrote:

Prog is about magic mushrooms and eastern philosophies, not Billy Graham and youth group.


Pretty closed minded, if that were the case. I would think that prog is a pretty free genre and can easily cross over between secular and religious (any religion).

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You are right. But good art is not about preaching, especially in an age that needs new and fresh answers and not tired cliches. I do not understand why, if someone wants to write anything spiritual, he has to proclaim himself as a christian, moslem or any other member of a particular religion.
I still think spiritual prog works much better as a term if one is needed at all.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 21 2007 at 20:16
Originally posted by The Wizard The Wizard wrote:

Prog is about magic mushrooms and eastern philosophies, not Billy Graham and youth group.


Pretty closed minded, if that were the case. I would think that prog is a pretty free genre and can easily cross over between secular and religious (any religion).

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 21 2007 at 15:40
argentinian legendary band, Vox Dei and the album La Biblia(The Bible), obviosly christian influenced, more historica than anything, but christian indeed :P
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 21 2007 at 14:18


Originally posted by The Wizard The Wizard wrote:

Prog is about magic mushrooms and eastern philosophies, not Billy Graham and youth group.


Amen Brother! Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 21 2007 at 13:25
Prog is about magic mushrooms and eastern philosophies, not Billy Graham and youth group.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 21 2007 at 13:22
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Originally posted by ozzy_tom ozzy_tom wrote:



Originally posted by andu andu wrote:

as i remember, out of your list of favourites, pink floyd and ELP were actually anti-religion.


I don't think is it really important. I'm a Christian too and I also love ELP music. I think that lyrics aren't so important at all, music counts more. (anyway the most straightward anti -religion song of I know ELP is "Hymn"...Are there any others?) And by the way I don't think that they are so anti-religious to these days 'cause in fact Emerson & Palmer even recorded albums with...Christmas Carols :-).


I agree with you, I also enjoy ELP and PF and the fact that I'm a believer doesn't collide with listening to good music. It is only when musicians get down to the (low) level of anti-religion propaganda that I can not stand and refuse to listen. Unfortunately there are cases...


If you beleive in god then all people have a relationship with him love or hate. If you beleive in god then all music has a relationship with him.
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