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Failcore ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 27 2006 Status: Offline Points: 4625 |
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I didn't vote because I don't agree with either option. I think most of the time Christianity has ruined the music, but only because the writers felt this strange compulsion to express what is supposed to be an inspiring truth with the most uninspired and bland music and lyrics on the planet. I cannot stand almost all Christian bands because of this. However bands like Proto-Kaw don't bug me with its overtly religious leanings because the lyrics are over simplified dumbed down crap (what's with the trend of simplifying an infinitely complex being anyway) and neither is the music. Livgren himself even wrote an article lashing out at other Christian artists for being so crappy and dull. If I ever decide to write music worshiping God (big if since I haven't a musical bone in my body,) it won't be cheap crap that a three yr old could write in 5 minutes. Anyways /rant.
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red.sector_a ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 31 2006 Status: Offline Points: 101 |
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im a little late on this but...
im not voting for either one. i really havent been into a band where it really affects the band either way. (besides the whole Neal Morse issue). |
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"...the only excuse for not knowing, is not wanting to know."
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E-Dub ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 24 2006 Location: Elkhorn, WI Status: Offline Points: 7910 |
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You really should hear some of the Christian music I've been listening to. I know what sort of lyrics to which you're referring, and I assure you that it's nothing like that. E |
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E-Dub ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 24 2006 Location: Elkhorn, WI Status: Offline Points: 7910 |
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Well, you're almost there. Our minds ARE on the music; however, our hearts are on the message. E |
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E-Dub ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 24 2006 Location: Elkhorn, WI Status: Offline Points: 7910 |
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OK, but you're looking at it from a non-Christian point-of-view. You're guilty of the exact same thing. ![]() Not sure how one can be left feeling judged from Testimony, being that is autobiographical. E |
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E-Dub ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 24 2006 Location: Elkhorn, WI Status: Offline Points: 7910 |
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We have been to a church that was a little too 'in your face' and we didn't feel comfortable with it at all. We never returned. I can't defend every single Christian church. I hope you understand that each one has different characteristics. My mom's church is very charismatic with a lot of speaking in tongues, and although it was filled with the Spirit, it didn't suit our needs. To address your other scenario, we have left a church to which we were attending for a very long time. We wanted one closer to home and with a bit more of a contemporary and (pardon the pun) progressive personality. We found our current church up here and when we go, we're met with handshakes, smiles, and sometimes hugs. Just like music, you've got to go with your tastes. Addressing the part about informing the church about leaving: the closest I can come to that is the period between the church we left and our current church, there was about a year when we didn't go. My father passes away and the Pastor conducting the service is the same Pastor of the church we had left. We spoke with Pastor Fite after the service and asked where we were going to church. When we said that we hadn't found one yet, rather than coercing us to come back to his church, Pastor Fite says, "You know, we have people coming from a good distance to our church every Sunday. Some just walk around the corner. The important thing is to not only find a church to which you're comfortable, but just go to church. It doesn't have to be this church. Just find a church that makes you comfortable and go." So, in essence, he was saying that it was OK to go to another church. Not that we needed his blessing, but he applied zero pressure on us to come back to his church. As I said, I can't defend every single church. You're going to find rogue churches that do things that you and I don't agree with. You simply have to go to one that makes you feel like you're coming home. And we definitely feel like we're home when we go to our church. E |
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jplanet ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: August 30 2006 Location: NJ Status: Offline Points: 799 |
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Hey E-Dub, nice post!
Cheers, John |
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Ivan_Melgar_M ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
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To our newbie preacher.
I can't understand a person boasting about being a fanatic.
R-Dub podst is coherent and I understand his position, he's an honest believer and despite I may and have disagreements with his ideas, I respect them all.
Now this is the fanatic intollerance I'm talking about (Prpaganda at the top of this page):
For God's sake, are this guys for real?
It gets worst with bigotry:
And now it gets insane:
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Are you still proud of calling yourself a fanatic?????????
For God's sake, move this thread.
Ivámn
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progismylife ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 19 2006 Location: ibreathehelium Status: Offline Points: 15535 |
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You should read the Geneva Bible. It is full of that stuff. |
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fullbug13 ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() Joined: February 06 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 8 |
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I don't have a clue as to what you are talking about.
You labeled me a fanatic in a sense, and that's fine with me. I am NOT a Catholic, but I am a PROTESTANT. In case you don't know the history, it was through Martin Luther that we Protestants broke away from Catholisism because the Catholic teachings were so ascewed and twisted. Martin Luther saw what was happening in the Catholic church, saw the wrong doing and was the reason that the Germans ended up having Bibles of their own language to read (which then spread into Britian and in english text). . . which the Catholic church in Rome was forbidding. History Dude, read it, study it, and then do what few Catholics do . . . . study GOD'S WORD THE BIBLE!!! You can say that believing in any god of your choice will get you to heaven, you can say that being a good person will get you to heaven, you can say that works will get you into heaven, but if you believe anything about the Bible and Jesus Christ, you better get with the program of what the Bible says, not some Pope surrounded by gold that was coherced from poor peasants who thought it would get their loved ones out of pergatory faster . . . . which of course the Catholic Hierachy in Rome didn't want them to know that there was NO SUCH PLACE as pergatory written about in the Bible and why they made it illegal for the common folk to own and read the Bible. Thank GOD literally that there was a man brave enough to stand up to the Pope and hierachy of Rome and risk being beheaded to translate the Bible into German. Of course the Guttenburg press had just been invented allowing Martin's translated Bible from Latin into German to be printed and the rest is HISTORY! Read about it, then study GOD's WORD and then tell me one good reason why anyone should pray a single word to Mary!
I stand behind my religion because I have educated myself on many religions. I don't sit back and rely on what my family upbringing was; Buddha is dead, Mohammed is dead and a wacked out pedophile anyway, aliens are not going to save man but Jesus proved through HISTORIC ACCOUNTS WITNESSED BY THOUSANDS that He was who He said He was and what happened in my life April 18th 2004 proved to me that He is the Son of God and I will stand in the Kingdom of Heaven with Him one day.
And Mary, as good a person as she was, was still a sinner and can no more hear my prayers than my dogs can. God hears me, Jesus hears me and no I don't think the Pope is the Anti-christ . . . . but I do believe we are in the last 20 years before the rapture and I believe the anti-christ is alive today!
Yeah, I'll be all the fanatic I can be for my King, my Saviour and my Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God! I would be proud for people to see me as a fanatic for the King and I'm sure Jesus and God the Father would be proud of me as well. It only reminds me of the song by DC Talk, Jesus Freak:
What will people think
When they hear that Im a Jesus freak? What will people do When they find thats its true? Separated, I cut myself clean From a past that comes back in my darkest of dreams Been apprehended by a spiritual force And a grace that replaced all the me Ive divorced What will people think
When they hear that Im a Jesus freak What will people do when they find that its true I dont really care if they label me a Jesus freak There aint no disguising the truth People say Im strange, does it make me a stranger
That my best Friend was born in a manger What will people think What will people do I dont really care what else can I say There aint no disguising the truth Jesus is the way Peace, word, out. Edited by fullbug13 - February 08 2007 at 20:06 |
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I Never Knew You - Matt 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. |
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Arrrghus ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: July 21 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 5296 |
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Is there an "it depends" option? Neal Morse does some pretty cool stuff, I thoroughly enjoyed ? and I will buy his next album.
However, some Christian stuff is stupid. Proto-kaw gets a bit annoying. I like it when the Christianity creates a new drive. It should be noted that I'm an Agnostic, and not a Christian, though I'm forced to endure Catholic church every Sunday. I do like some Christian music, partly because my dad, who is Protestant and not Catholic, is very into religion. Actually, he's only one test away from his masters in theology. His love of Christian music (very sophisticated praise and worship and also some gospel, and by gospel I mean the kind that influenced soul music) |
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fullbug13 ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() Joined: February 06 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 8 |
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Dude, where is your dad studying at? One of my best friends is finishing his PhD in Theology at Southwestern (?) Theological Seminary in New Orleans.
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I Never Knew You - Matt 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. |
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jplanet ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: August 30 2006 Location: NJ Status: Offline Points: 799 |
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Fullbug, what Church do you belong to?
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Arrrghus ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: July 21 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 5296 |
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He's not studying at the moment. He feels he shouldn't complete his degree until his present state follows what he preaches (tough personal problems). |
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fullbug13 ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() Joined: February 06 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 8 |
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First Baptist Church, Downtown Jacksonville Florida. We are one of the largest churches in the Southern Baptist Convention, with 28,000 members although we only have about 10,000 on Sunday mornings.
Our services are aired live on the internet at www.fbcjax.com, Sunday mornings / nights and Wednesday nights.
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I Never Knew You - Matt 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. |
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Ivan_Melgar_M ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
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Ivan replies in bold black.
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - February 09 2007 at 00:40 |
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The T ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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Does this discussion have ANYTHING to do with prog? I mean, I came looking for some music poll, and I get a theology class. Please move this to where it belongs. And it's not now that it's like that: from the start, what the hell has a band member finding God have ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE MUSIC?
It's funny to see how religion causes more fights than it amends....
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Ivan_Melgar_M ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
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Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - February 09 2007 at 00:59 |
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The T ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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I knew I had an answer coming to me... I knew it...
![]() I agree 100% with everything.
Admin, take this poll out of here please. Music is the least important element in this discussion.
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Ivan_Melgar_M ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
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T, you deserved a response and an excuse, I didn't wanted to turn this into a Religious Poll, there are many already and I avoided all except one.
I gave my opinion I think that Religious Propagabnda (Christian, Catholic, Jewish, Hare Krishna -well that one improved Rock but it wasn't propaganda purely-) destroy Rock.
Rock is ART, pleasure for the ears, Religion is personal believe and philosophy, as long as you don't use art as a vehicle for propaganda it's OK, but when you start telling the rest of the world that they are ignorants, heretics and will burn in hell, you ruin music.
SORRY AGAIN but threads take own life.
Agree with The T....PLEASE MOVE THIS THREAD
Iván Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - February 09 2007 at 01:11 |
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