When somebody in your favourite band finds "GOD"

Arrrghus wrote: Is there an "it depends" option? Neal Morse does some pretty cool stuff, I thoroughly enjoyed ? and I will buy his next album. However, some Christian stuff is stupid. Proto-kaw gets a bit annoying. I like it when the Christianity creates a new drive. It should be noted that I'm an Agnostic, and not a Christian, though I'm forced to endure Catholic church every Sunday. I do like some Christian music, partly because my dad, who is Protestant and not Catholic, is very into religion. Actually, he's only one test away from his masters in theology. His love of Christian music (very sophisticated praise and worship and also some gospel, and by gospel I mean the kind that influenced soul music)

Just like there is no "depends" choice between God and Satan there shall be no "depends" option in this poll  

.. it must reflect  reality without any gray areas 

The T wrote: You know, in ancient times, in the glorious days of classical music, being a believer actually helped man to create some of the most sublime pages in all of art... listen to Bach, Bruckner, Frank... three devoted men, extremely faithful and observant of their creeds...

True, but remember the Church and/or King was often their biggest client...

Atavachron wrote: The T wrote: You know, in ancient times, in the glorious days of classical music, being a believer actually helped man to create some of the most sublime pages in all of art... listen to Bach, Bruckner, Frank... three devoted men, extremely faithful and observant of their creeds... True, but remember the Church and/or King was often their biggest client...

What about John Coltrane's Masterpiece A Love Supreme, is all about God

One thing worth pointing out is if Rick Wakeman hadn't found God he would probably be dead now due to his alcohol abuse.

I've heard that Gabrial was bipolor, do you knowe if its cause was drug related? I know that Genesis were heavily into a lot of stuff at that time.

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: Cheesecake mouse wrote: I've heard that Gabrial was bipolar, do you know if its cause was drug related? I know that Genesis were heavily into a lot of stuff at that time.   First, Bipolar Disorder has nothing to do with drugs, I believe it's a Manic-Depressive inherited condition that appears when you are in your 20's or early 30's   A person suffering from Bipolar disorder experiences two extreme emotional swings. Often they are manic. So much so, they perceived by others as out of control. An individual in a manic stage will suffer thoughts of grandiosity as evidenced by such activities as sexual promiscuity, violent behavior, and extreme religiosity. On the other hand, when a person with Bipolar disorder is swinging the other direction, they are often depressed to the extent that suicide is an obsession. Bipolar is a disorder of extremes.    http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=10466     Can be controlled by medicines, but it's genetic and inherited in most cases,   Drugs? By the contrary, if a bipolar uses drugs and medicines at the same time, the consequences are devastating, specially in the depressive stages.   About peter and drugs, what I know,:   For Peter's comments: He said that somebody left a hash cake after a party in his house and he ate a bit, he ended a couple miles away of his house with his heart beating at 150 and without idea how he reached there. He was so scared that never tried again anything.   For the band comments: Phil Collins who was filmed with Steve (I believe) smoking a joint. said that Tony was very healthy and if Peter smelled a beer he was already high so he never tried drugs, never read a comment accepting or denying anything about Mike Rutherford except when he said in an Italian interview that he hated guys getting high on the gigs instead of listening music..   VDGG who toured with Genesis; While they were getting high in the back of the Bus, Peter was solving crossword puzzles in the first seat and Tony was sleeping.   A bassist who's name I don't remember said he used to visit Peter Gabriel and Steve Winwood, he SAID he used to smoke big ones with Steve and when asked about Peter, he said he said NEVER.   That's the info I have.   Iván

When I was 24 years old I  started doing strange  things like staying up all night every night writing poetry and thinking that the world was a "bad place" full of greed lust and  hate ..  but worst of all ignorance
They sent me to a Dr,    after about 6 months they diagnosed me with or "as" Bi Polar     and I have never been the same since  ... lithium helps  but it is a crude medicine and hasn`t  returned me to that  "care free" guy  I once was.  
One thing that helped me was believing in something a "higher power" I call the unified field   others call God 

I started this Poll  not with  the intentions of sharing my life's story, but as a window into each others thoughts and maybe  collectively we can gain some understanding through each other, and who knows maybe a clearer view into ourselves (with a little luck)

I never started this thread to cause angst  , hate or disharmony   those are things we can all do with out

If we are going to leave this thread open we must respect each other ... because nobody is wrong   

God is a complex subject  that in the end leads us on an inward journey , its there the answer can be found

People with mental illness really suffer badly , in many more ways than "normal" people could ever imagine ...  but as written  in Hamlet by William Shakespeare "it is the pain that defines me"

   "It defines us all"   as written by Masque







OH YEAH I NEVER TOOK ILLEGAL  DRUGS OR DRANK ALCOHOL SO THE THEORY ABOUT PETER GABRIEL IS JUST NASTY HOG WASH AND WILL ONLY SERVE AS  A SELF JUSTIFICTION TO B4ST4RDIZE  SOME FAIRLY MARGINALISED PEOPLE
KICK A DOG WHEN ITS DOWN MENTALITY ...   SEEN IT MANY TIMES 

"oh it must be something he did to himself he must have taken lots of  DRUGS"  any idea how many times I have heard that crap ? I don`t hear it anymore I wipe those people  very fast


Edited by Masque - February 09 2007 at 04:28

Masque wrote: Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: Cheesecake mouse wrote: I've heard that Gabrial was bipolar, do you know if its cause was drug related? I know that Genesis were heavily into a lot of stuff at that time.   First, Bipolar Disorder has nothing to do with drugs, I believe it's a Manic-Depressive inherited condition that appears when you are in your 20's or early 30's   A person suffering from Bipolar disorder experiences two extreme emotional swings. Often they are manic. So much so, they perceived by others as out of control. An individual in a manic stage will suffer thoughts of grandiosity as evidenced by such activities as sexual promiscuity, violent behavior, and extreme religiosity. On the other hand, when a person with Bipolar disorder is swinging the other direction, they are often depressed to the extent that suicide is an obsession. Bipolar is a disorder of extremes.    http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=10466     Can be controlled by medicines, but it's genetic and inherited in most cases,   Drugs? By the contrary, if a bipolar uses drugs and medicines at the same time, the consequences are devastating, specially in the depressive stages.   About peter and drugs, what I know,:   For Peter's comments: He said that somebody left a hash cake after a party in his house and he ate a bit, he ended a couple miles away of his house with his heart beating at 150 and without idea how he reached there. He was so scared that never tried again anything.   For the band comments: Phil Collins who was filmed with Steve (I believe) smoking a joint. said that Tony was very healthy and if Peter smelled a beer he was already high so he never tried drugs, never read a comment accepting or denying anything about Mike Rutherford except when he said in an Italian interview that he hated guys getting high on the gigs instead of listening music..   VDGG who toured with Genesis; While they were getting high in the back of the Bus, Peter was solving crossword puzzles in the first seat and Tony was sleeping.   A bassist who's name I don't remember said he used to visit Peter Gabriel and Steve Winwood, he SAID he used to smoke big ones with Steve and when asked about Peter, he said he said NEVER.   That's the info I have.   Iván When I was 24 years old I  started doing strange  things like staying up all night every night writing poetry and thinking that the world was a "bad place" full of greed lust and  hate ..  but worst of all ignorance They sent me to a Dr,    after about 6 months they diagnosed me as Bi Polar     and I have never been the same since  ... lithium helps  but it is a crude medicine and hasn`t  returned me to that  "care free" guy  I once was.   One thing that helped me was believing in something a "higher power" I call the unified field   others call God  I started this Poll  not with  the intentions of sharing my life's story, but as a window into each others thoughts and maybe  collectively we can gain some understanding through each other, and who knows maybe a clearer view into ourselves (with a little luck) I never started this thread to cause angst  , hate or disharmony   those are things we can all do with out If we are going to leave this thread open we must respect each other ... because nobody is wrong    God is a complex subject  that in the end leads us on an inward journey , its there the answer can be found People with mental illness really suffer badly  ...  but as  Hamlet said  "it`s the pain that defines me"

I'm trying to get caught up on all of this, but having a tough time. Some crud has absolutely hammered me and I can barely function. I told my doctor yesterday (with whom we've been seeing for 7 years now) that if he ever wanted to kick my arse with relative ease, now's the time to do it.

It is bothering me that people are coming down so hard on Fullbug (Scott). I've been talking to him away from the group and your perceptions of him are off the mark. What you guys view as fanaticism, I see it as a passion for Christ. I actually admire him for speaking out. It seems like we here a ton of anti-God this and anti-God that, and when somebody speaks out in favor of a man who was beaten, tortured and put through a hell that we'll never understand for all of us, everybody gets in a twist about it. It really is strange how religion affects the human psyche.

Just my 2 cents. Like I said, I've barely skimmed over stuff and can't remain upright for too long (I break out in those lovely cold sweats. You know the kind.) Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to slip into a nice warm coma.

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I had to say yes because of Neal Morse.  Apart from that, I can't recall a band being ruined by Christianity or any other religion.