 E-Dub wrote:
It is bothering me that people are coming down so hard on Fullbug (Scott). I've been talking to him away from the group and your perceptions of him are off the mark. What you guys view as fanaticism, I see it as a passion for Christ. I actually admire him for speaking out. It seems like we here a ton of anti-God this and anti-God that, and when somebody speaks out in favor of a man who was beaten, tortured and put through a hell that we'll never understand for all of us, everybody gets in a twist about it. It really is strange how religion affects the human psyche.
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E: you know better than anybody that I always take the side of reigion in any thread because we both participated in the Atheist thread (I avoided the intelligent desoing one because my position is a third one and don't want to make it more complex).
But I also take the side of moral conduct, I don't care if a person is a Christian, Catholic, Orthodox, Jew, Moslem, Buddhist (As a fact my team mate and virtual friend Bhikkhu is a Buddhist and I hardly found any kindest person with more honest beliefs),
In Israel when a kid I prayed in a Mosque which I went to see for turistic reasons but I did it as a sign of respect and went several times to ceremonies in Sinagogues using the Kipah also as a sign of respect (Have many Jewish friends).
At least they share with us the faith in the God of Abraham, we have a lot in common, but people ignore it.
If Christ was among us on flesh and soul today, he would go to a Sinagogue and not to a Catholic or Christian Church.
I gave my honest position Christian and Catholic extremism IMO ruins music in most cases, I was asked a question and replied it with honesty, Kansas was a good example, during the Livegren - Elefante years, the band was ruined and only when Walsh and Steinhard came back (After Kerry Livegren, John and Dinoi Elefante left), the band resurrected.
Now I understand Fullbug position, I won't ask him to pray to the Virgin or believe in our saints, it's absurd, he has his own beliefs, but offending us is way too much. Sean is an Atheist, he doesn't like organized religions, but he never has insulted Jesus, Mary or the Saints.
But accusing Mohamed of paedophile and comparing the Holy Virgin with his dogs is not love for God, it's disrespect for other person's believes that I'm nopt going to accept, he came to this Progressive Rock Forum to preach exclusively,he has not written a single post about music, he has just been judgedamental with all of us, he attackled Jewishs, Moslems, Catholics and Buddhists the same without any provocation just because people doesn't agree with his pastor's point of view.
He treated me a couple of us of ignorants because we don't share his believes, but he forgets historical facts as Luther being an anti-semitic (Jesus was a JEW) and having said phrases that make the Nazis look as tame kids.
In my case I studied Theology when I was an Agnostic and made a reasoned choice of Religion, not because of magic or because God spoke to me, I don't feel worthy of this, I studied other alternatives and found that my path is in Catholicism but respect each and every belief or disbelief if the person is honest as I have stated many times in this and other threads.
A few years ago an example was given by the Moslem community in England when the pupett of Mike Rutherford (Land of Confusion) was used to represent Jesus in a TV special, the only ones that protested were the Moslems, despite that Christ is not as fundamental for them as for us, this kind of acts deserve an applause, shoiwing respect for other religions despite our differences.
Now in this forum a Christian compares the mother of God with his dogs, that's offensive.
Here the people is tolerant and underdstanding, but insulting other religions is something hard to accept.
Respect and tolerance is what we ask, nothing else.
Iván
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